Vilander Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 8 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Nakli Gora. Lol in his dreams.. hehe coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, Vilander said: Nope you are a bandwagoner and you have regional mindset premitive and clannish. But not surprising. I am on my own bandwagon … Likes of you have no place on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, zen said: I am on my own bandwagon … Likes of you have no place on it We have our flaws but primitive is not the word anyone can use for India. Yes i know the point you are trying to make about mindset of indo-pak fans but the current generation (in school) they are very different. They dont have any colonial hangover, most look at pakistan like we do at congo, self assured and look at white guy like any other person. Over the next decade India and Indians world view is going to change and it will be both ways. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Sports always taps into the lizard brain of humans. It is universal. Every part of the world and almost every sport that is popular has some sort of big rivalry or the other. In the Ind-Pak it is magnified many times over due to the political tensions. Countries have gone to war over football matches and blood is routinely spilt over sporting rivalries in even the most "developed" part of the world. coffee_rules and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: We have our flaws but primitive is not the word anyone can use for India. Yes i know the point you are trying to make about mindset of indo-pak fans but the current generation (in school) they are very different. They dont have any colonial hangover, most look at pakistan like we do at congo, self assured and look at white guy like any other person. Over the next decade India and Indians world view is going to change and it will be both ways. To me white, black, brown, yellow, or whatever are equal esp. if they are good human beings. People should be self assured, even ppl in Africa are. For e.g. Somali (SNA) were confident enough to take on US forces ... However, one has to look at realities too ... Pakistan is Pakistan, it is not Congo. India is India, it is not USA (not even close to China). In terms of GDP per capita - Link, Ind is 127, BD is 128, and Pak is 136. So if many Indians are looking at Pak as Congo, Pakistanis could be looking at India that is closer to it (no matter what Indians in India perceive - India is usually "great" among Indians, which is not necessarily a reference point. Similarly, "confident" Pakistanis consider themselves as some atomic power that can impact the future of the world, a laughable line of thinking for those not in Pakistan ... The "reality" could be different. It is more useful to think of a country closer to what the reality is). PS Note that many of the guys writing against other countries and attempting to display patriotism are only doing that among people of their country (in their comfort zone). If there are more people from different countries, they may act differently. Edited November 27, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, zen said: To me white, black, brown, yellow, or whatever are equal esp. if they are good human beings. People should be self assured, even ppl in Africa are. For e.g. Somali (SNA) were confident enough to take on US forces ... However, one has to look at realities too ... Pakistan is Pakistan, it is not Congo. India is India, it is not USA (not even close to China). In terms of GDP per capita - Link, Ind is 127, BD is 128, and Pak is 136. So if Indians are looking at Pak as Congo, Pakistanis could be looking at India that is closer to it (no matter what Indians in India perceive - India is usually "great" among Indians, which is not necessarily a reference point. The "reality" could be different. It is more useful to think of a country closer to what the reality is). You are trying to cover 3-4 areas in one post. I was more focus on the mindset and how its changing from anything from west is always better than us to todays thought process of we are better than you. In terms of gdp/ppp however you want to look at it we will always look poor, after all there are 1.4b of us and our per capita number will look poor for decades. That said how many countries in world can boast of 1 unicorn every 12-15days or how many countries have private firms have satellites... point is we as a nation are on the move and there is no stopping us. coffee_rules and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: You are trying to cover 3-4 areas in one post. I was more focus on the mindset and how its changing from anything from west is always better than us to todays thought process of we are better than you. In terms of gdp/ppp however you want to look at it we will always look poor, after all there are 1.4b of us and our per capita number will look poor for decades. That said how many countries in world can boast of 1 unicorn every 12-15days or how many countries have private firms have satellites... point is we as a nation are on the move and there is no stopping us. Good but note that USA is a superpower and the world say that ... Let the world also say that about India. For e.g. according to many in India, it is a great military power. However, the reality is that it will struggle to last for long in a two front war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, bharathh said: Sports always taps into the lizard brain of humans. It is universal. Every part of the world and almost every sport that is popular has some sort of big rivalry or the other. In the Ind-Pak it is magnified many times over due to the political tensions. Countries have gone to war over football matches and blood is routinely spilt over sporting rivalries in even the most "developed" part of the world. Look at what happened after euro final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, zen said: Good but note that USA is a superpower and the world say that ... Let the world also say that about India. For e.g. according to many in India, it is a great military power. However, the reality is that it will struggle to last for long in a two front war. Forget super power, world isnt even saying we are a world power but there actions speak volumes. Actions clearly indicate they cant ignore India and that a start. Its a long journey but a decade from say by 2035, i doubt world could take any decisions without India's consent. We arent a military power again something we will be coming years. We are sufficiently armed to defend ourselves but thats about it. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 8:15 PM, coffee_rules said: Do din bhonkke chala jayega ye kutta. Look at his pathetic sorry life , has nothing else in life that gives him a sense of achievement. Just ignore him @coffee_rules gotta practice what u preach coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Look at what happened after euro final They are white and developed, not brown barbarians coffee_rules and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 minute ago, jf1gp_1 said: Forget super power, world isnt even saying we are a world power but there actions speak volumes. Actions clearly indicate they cant ignore India and that a start. Its a long journey but a decade from say by 2035, i doubt world could take any decisions without India's consent. We arent a military power again something we will be coming years. We are sufficiently armed to defend ourselves but thats about it. The opportunities usually present various countries. Many countries in the Asia Pacific have taken advantage of the opoortunities. It is upto India what it does with it in the relatively short window it has. In the future, "world" is likely to focus more on Africa as at that point, it would be be seen as the next frontier of growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Clarke said: @coffee_rules gotta practice what u preach You can say that again. Got to learn to ignore a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 7 hours ago, zen said: Good but note that USA is a superpower and the world say that ... Let the world also say that about India. For e.g. according to many in India, it is a great military power. However, the reality is that it will struggle to last for long in a two front war. US struggled against Taliban in Afghanistan, lost to Vietnam and needed everyone around Iraq to take it on. When did they take on anyone strong in the last 80 years? China also lost to Vietnam and have their nose bloodied against India after 1962. Who have they taken on that is strong? Russia the other superpower is losing vs Ukraine India has to face Pak (top 5 military) and China (2nd strongest). They have defeated Pak multiple times and aa mentioned above hold their own vs China. Any country would have trouble in a 2 front war. As seen from above superpowers have trouble va small countries itself raki05 and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, bharathh said: US struggled against Taliban in Afghanistan, lost to Vietnam and needed everyone around Iraq to take it on. When did they take on anyone strong in the last 80 years? China also lost to Vietnam and have their nose bloodied against India after 1962. Who have they taken on that is strong? Russia the other superpower is losing vs Ukraine India has to face Pak (top 5 military) and China (2nd strongest). They have defeated Pak multiple times and aa mentioned above hold their own vs China. Any country would have trouble in a 2 front war. As seen from above superpowers have trouble va small countries itself That is not apples to apples. For e.g., USA is using a part of its military in places far away from its own borders. China (or equivalent) will defeat India in India, which will use all its might to no avail. In a 2 front war (on home front), India does not have the capability to survive for more than a few weeks. India has never won any war apart for versus Pak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, zen said: That is not apples to apples. For e.g., USA is using a part of its military in places far away from its own borders. China (or equivalent) will defeat India in India, which will use all its might to no avail. In a 2 front war (on home front), India does not have the capability to survive for more than a few weeks. India has never won any war apart for versus Pak. You do know that the India front is not where all of Chinas might is concentrated right while Indias is? raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just now, bharathh said: You do know that the India front is not where all of Chinas might is concentrated right while Indias is? In a war, a country can redeploy its resources. There is also a lot of technology advancement. Countries like China are in reducing their personnel to focus more on technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 5 hours ago, bharathh said: US struggled against Taliban in Afghanistan, lost to Vietnam and needed everyone around Iraq to take it on. When did they take on anyone strong in the last 80 years? China also lost to Vietnam and have their nose bloodied against India after 1962. Who have they taken on that is strong? Russia the other superpower is losing vs Ukraine India has to face Pak (top 5 military) and China (2nd strongest). They have defeated Pak multiple times and aa mentioned above hold their own vs China. Any country would have trouble in a 2 front war. As seen from above superpowers have trouble va small countries itself Apparently Indian military leaders, veterans and soldiers are fools defending our borders, the brave bozo from north america who shows his bravery by clubbing baby seals to death knows better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 12 hours ago, Clarke said: They are white and developed, not brown barbarians After-match football drunards’ brawl is super advanced, Indians and Pakistanis trolling in SM is primitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 23 hours ago, zen said: If you want to take me on, I will rip you apart so be careful next time if you want to play games. @coffee_rules He is going to rip you apart apparnetly hehe...pfft we got a Internet tough guy here folks..and he calls you the idiot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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