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Best Step Forward Is Rotating Captains and Foreign Coach


Khota

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Three folks lost the WC. Pregnant Rohit, KLPD Rahul and Low Testosterone Dravid.

 

A fixed Captain is a liability. There were half a dozen guys who have the experience. This culture of Captain worship is toxic. It was difficult to bench both pregnant Rohit and KLPD Rahul. 

 

Time for rotating captains in every game.

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3 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Their are certain powers associated with captains. The team composition very much depends on them. They are not just there to throw the coin.

That is a old mindset. These same decisions can be made by a dozen others. On the flip side it becomes difficult to bench them.

 

For e.g. Rohit should have been given a maternity leave for several games.

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That is what happens when people start tinkering with winning captain and coach. Rohit was never going to be better captain in any format than Kohli nor Dravid better coach than Shastri.

 

They may not have won cups but they sure were better than these two bozos.

 

Rohit needs to go from all white ball cricket.He is just not fit enough. They need to get a young captain for white ball cricket. I sure hope it is not Pandya.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

That is a old mindset. These same decisions can be made by a dozen others. On the flip side it becomes difficult to bench them.

 

For e.g. Rohit should have been given a maternity leave for several games.

It does not work like that, Captain is still the most important in cricket Once Rohit was the captain, Indian team was completely in his hands. 

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You could hire the greatest coaching staff in the history of mankind, but they can only play with the cards they are dealt.  The selectors and coaching staff are going to have to work together on a common vision and implement it together.  Doesn't seem to be the way the system operates currently. 

 

Like you and others have said before, if you have a new way of doing things but with players who cannot adapt, it's never going to work. 

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13 hours ago, putrevus said:

It does not work like that, Captain is still the most important in cricket Once Rohit was the captain, Indian team was completely in his hands. 

And that was the problem. He could not be benched irrespective of the failures he was having.

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12 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

You could hire the greatest coaching staff in the history of mankind, but they can only play with the cards they are dealt.  The selectors and coaching staff are going to have to work together on a common vision and implement it together.  Doesn't seem to be the way the system operates currently. 

 

Like you and others have said before, if you have a new way of doing things but with players who cannot adapt, it's never going to work. 

Coaches are the ones who should be selecting teams. Not the so called selectors.

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14 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Selectors, too.  If TM is given a certain set of bowlers by selectors, they have to pick from that lot.  Lack of a shared vision.

 

In reality, selectors have limited power. Especially the low profile ones like Chetan or MSK Prasad.

 

Vengsarkar, Srikanth or Amarnath took some tough calls but such guys are not being preferred now.

 

From various interviews, it is quite clear that the Captain / Coach get every player they want these days. 

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4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In reality, selectors have limited power. Especially the low profile ones like Chetan or MSK Prasad.

 

Vengsarkar, Srikanth or Amarnath took some tough calls but such guys are not being preferred now.

 

From various interviews, it is quite clear that the Captain / Coach get every player they want these days. 

 

I would say as an outsider from Australia looking in, it looks like Captain makes all the calls and the passive coach ie Dravid, just goes with whatever decision the Captain makes.


Which is why Team India will never want a foreign coach. A foreign coach would not allow for this bullshit to happen "so easily".

 

Even Ganguly under John Wright made all the calls. Which is why also Chappell was turfed so quickly.

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In reality, selectors have limited power. Especially the low profile ones like Chetan or MSK Prasad.

 

Vengsarkar, Srikanth or Amarnath took some tough calls but such guys are not being preferred now.

 

From various interviews, it is quite clear that the Captain / Coach get every player they want these days. 

which is why quite a bit of blame should go to the Mouse (Dravid)

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Just now, SRT100 said:

 

I would say as an outsider from Australia looking in, it looks like Captain makes all the calls and the passive coach ie Dravid, just goes with whatever decision the Captain makes.


Which is why Team India will never want a foreign coach. A foreign coach would not allow for this bullshit to happen "so easily".

dravid just bends over and takes it. the preferred modus operandi for him after years of taking it from gangu & co

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2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

which is why quite a bit of blame should go to the Mouse (Dravid)

 

Well actually your argument actually suggests that the blame really should go to Hitman, you cant blame the mouse here? lol. :hysterical:


Dravid has almost always been a mouse his entire life. Old age is only going to enhance that.

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Just now, SRT100 said:

 

Well actually your argument actually suggests that the blame really should go to Hitman, you cant blame the mouse here? lol. :hysterical:


Dravid has almost always been a mouse his entire life. Old age is only going to enhance that.

"quite a bit" is what I wrote. majority of blame should go to Fatty McFats (rohit)

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6 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

I would say as an outsider from Australia looking in, it looks like Captain makes all the calls and the passive coach ie Dravid, just goes with whatever decision the Captain makes.


Which is why Team India will never want a foreign coach. A foreign coach would not allow for this bullshit to happen "so easily".

 

Even Ganguly under John Wright made all the calls. Which is why also Chappell was turfed so quickly.

 

 

I strongly agree.  

 

As long as the real power of Indian cricket captains is not reined in, our cricket will suffer.

 

They will invariably have personal interests, preference for buddies, trust in older colleagues even if they have lost ability, loss of ruthlessness with age, prefer the cushion of even weaker players if they are underperforming themselves etc.

 

Just like when a middle aged person meets an old college heartthrob after 25 years, he or she still sees that person as a 20 year old in his or her own mind and feels an excitement ... even though that person may have a huge belly now and looks jaded ... older Indian captains visualize aging colleagues during their peak years and feel that they are just the same now.

 

An outsider won't be wearing this " buddy tinted glasses " and will see the current reality. Which is why a foreign coach with some real power will be even better as he is outside the system that has been idolizing these aged superstars. 

 

And this " carrying a weaker player who will make the non performing captain look better " has been seen with Kedar Jadhav for Dhoni and Rahane for Kohli. Rohit may have Rahul in T20Is for the same role.

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