Seam bowling all rounders

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

If we cant get good seam bowling AR then lets get good spin bowling AR..but we need some genuine AR..then we can accomodate extra pace bowler

 

 

Having spin-allrounders + specialist pacers is always the better option.

 

Pace bowling is very taxing and they get injured more often.  

 

7. Spin allrounder 

8. Spin allrounder 

9. Pacer

10. Pacer

11. Pacer

 

is a much better combo.

 

We have lots of proper specialist spinners who can bat at 7 and 8. 

Edited December 28, 2022 by express bowling

[Need4Speed]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Having spin-allrounders + specialist pacers is always the better option.

 

Pace bowling is very taxing and they get injured more often.  

 

7. Spin allrounder 

8. Spin allrounder 

9. Pacer

10. Pacer

11. Pacer

 

is a much better combo.

 

We have lots of proper specialist spinners who can bat at 7 and 8. 

I somehow need one wrist spinner in team..finding one who can bat well could be difficult though.,

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

I somehow need one wrist spinner in team..finding one who can bat well could be difficult though.,

Rahul Tewatia is one...though he isn't a dependable option as an spinner.

 

[Need4Speed]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Rahul Tewatia is one...though he isn't a dependable option as an spinner.

 

Yes..thats the issue..

so far I see other ones:

kuldeep y

rahul c

ravi bish

they all need to improve batting

shreyas gopal was decent I guess in domestic but he has past his prime

need new blood in domestic to fill up that role

 

[Need4Speed]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Having spin-allrounders + specialist pacers is always the better option.

 

Pace bowling is very taxing and they get injured more often.  

 

7. Spin allrounder 

8. Spin allrounder 

9. Pacer

10. Pacer

11. Pacer

 

is a much better combo.

 

We have lots of proper specialist spinners who can bat at 7 and 8. 

Also for Sena its preferred to go with 4 pacer + 1 spinner..3+2 is very good for indian subcon

[singhvivek141]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Having spin-allrounders + specialist pacers is always the better option.

 

Pace bowling is very taxing and they get injured more often.  

 

7. Spin allrounder 

8. Spin allrounder 

9. Pacer

10. Pacer

11. Pacer

 

is a much better combo.

 

We have lots of proper specialist spinners who can bat at 7 and 8. 

I would recommend to plan for 7 bowling options....

5-6 should be proper batters who can roll their arm for 4-6 overs.

7-8 we expect them to be able to contribute 25-45 runs with bat and 7-10 overs with ball.

 

Pandya, Washington, Jadeja, Tewatia, Bawa, Rinku, Hangargekar should be in that 5-8 bracket...rotated as and when needed. Shahbaz and Axar are other options.

 

9-11 we will have flexibility to choose

a) 3 pacers amongst Bumrah, Siraj, Kuldeep Sen, Umran, Tyagi, Mohsin

OR

b) 2 pacers + 1 Spinner (Bishnoi, Kuldeep Yadav) depending on conditions and 5-8 combo.

 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I would recommend to plan for 7 bowling options....

5-6 should be proper batters who can roll their arm for 4-6 overs.

7-8 we expect them to be able to contribute 25-45 runs with bat and 7-10 overs with ball.

 

Pandya, Washington, Jadeja, Tewatia, Bawa, Rinku, Hangargekar should be in that 5-8 bracket...rotated as and when needed. Shahbaz and Axar are other options.

 

9-11 we will have flexibility to choose

a) 3 pacers amongst Bumrah, Siraj, Kuldeep Sen, Umran, Tyagi, Mohsin

OR

b) 2 pacers + 1 Spinner (Bishnoi, Kuldeep Yadav) depending on conditions and 5-8 combo.

 

 

7 bowling options is overkill. 7th bowler only needs to be a super-occasional part-timer like shreyas iyer

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

7 bowling options is overkill. 7th bowler only needs to be a super-occasional part-timer like shreyas iyer

right…

7th bowling option would be a luxury if he can bowl but that should not count as a preference in the selection..anyone who is a good batsman should get selected..shouldnt matter if he bowls or not as a 7th option..

One scenario I can think about prefering 7th bowling option is SENA where we can only afford 3 genuine pace bowlers due lack of genuine pace bowl AR..to strengthen batting we may need finger spinner ARs and have extra swing bowling 7th option trundler like..Sanjay Bangar 

that will give us batting till 8th..and bowling options like..

3 genuine pace bowlers+1 trundler (batting AR)who may use swing conditions

2 reliable spinner ARs

if we can somehow get 1 genuine pacer to bat well..we will be a great force who can play 4 genuine pacers..

else jugaadbaazi hi krte rhenge with spinning ARs..batting trundlers etc

Edited December 29, 2022 by Need4Speed

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

Also for Sena its preferred to go with 4 pacer + 1 spinner..3+2 is very good for indian subcon

 

 

In SENA tests ... yes.

 

Candidates for thd future would be Mohsin, Bawa, Arjun and Hangargekar.

 

This combo maybe needed in some LOIs too. 

[tweaker]

5 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Rahul Tewatia is one...though he isn't a dependable option as an spinner.

 

Why is he ignored.He has shown hos perfomance in IPL

[tweaker]

Rahul Tewatia and Venkatesh Iyer should have got more opportunityBoth Rahul and Venkatesh are left handed batsman and both could have bowled 10 overs between them.

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Rahul Tewatia and Venkatesh Iyer should have got more opportunityBoth Rahul and Venkatesh are left handed batsman and both could have bowled 10 overs between them.

Why was Venkatesh Iyer dropped? He just went out of contention for no reason even after doing well in internationals. 

[Vijy]

On 12/29/2022 at 1:41 AM, Pollack said:

Why was Venkatesh Iyer dropped? He just went out of contention for no reason even after doing well in internationals. 

selector incompetence.

[Majestic]

On 12/29/2022 at 12:11 PM, Pollack said:

Why was Venkatesh Iyer dropped? He just went out of contention for no reason even after doing well in internationals. 

One poor IPL season and dropped. Or maybe just a fill in option for Pandya.

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

One poor IPL season and dropped. Or maybe just a fill in option for Pandya.

His role should have been diffrent from Pandya.As he is left handed and he can bat at any position.He would have been handy as fifth seamer in.Ireland,England, Zimbabwe,West Indies

[Vijy]

23 hours ago, Majestic said:

One poor IPL season and dropped. Or maybe just a fill in option for Pandya.

yes, he was seen as a placeholder.