Khota Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, gattaca said: Wow 100 billion is lot of money All monopoly money. Feel sorry for the investors who got duped. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, Khota said: All monopoly money. Feel sorry for the investors who got duped. Why duped? If fundamentals are strong.... Institutional investors mainly. Surely they've done their due diligence. The Hindenburg "expose" is basically an amalgamation of reports that have been out for sometime now. Investors still put in their $. TBH, I hadn't heard of Hindenburg until this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Khota said: goras are not always right. But Adani needs to prove that these shell companies did not help him inflate the value of stock. Please be more informed. This news of shell companies investing in Adani is not new news. It was reported 2 years back. But because a gora brought it up, people like you have made it more relevant. Every company exploits loop holes and commits manipulation. Some of the biggest tech companies in Silicon Valley do it. Apple - the most profitable company ever, pays a measly 7 % corporate tax through manipulations of tax regimes, while regular people pay 33 % income tax. Read this and educate yourself along with @Under_Score. https://americansfortaxfairness.org/issues/corporate-taxes/highlights-of-apples-tax-dodging/ Stop sucking up to everything goras say. Every major corporation indulges in manipulating the system. Edited February 2 by rangeelaraja Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 From what I gather is it is the negative publicity of Adani which generated the first short sell which lead to $60 billion losses in the first two days and it increased to $100 billion, a week later. Nothing much, the Adani could do to stop it. Some investors who wished to retain the stock and bonds were victims of bad publicity. Remember media coverage isn't bankable. A good media word is worth tonnes of gold and the opposite is also true. Rather negative publicity routs faster than the good publicity. Future business expansion at Adani will now be in question. There is no way for them to raise money. Hindenburg whether right or wrong has led the rout. This can only be remedied through an in depth investigation. It will take maybe 5 years but an inquiry has to be conducted. All this could take 5 years but a lesson to be learnt here is that if you have to raise capital abroad then all your financial dealings have to be spot clean and constantly examined by outsiders. I hope Adani will survive, because this is a business based on assets and good business practices. Not looking good overall. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: From what I gather is it is the negative publicity of Adani which generated the first short sell which lead to $60 billion losses in the first two days and it increased to $100 billion, a week later. Nothing much, the Adani could do to stop it. Some investors who wished to retain the stock and bonds were victims of bad publicity. Remember media coverage isn't bankable. A good media word is worth tonnes of gold and the opposite is also true. Rather negative publicity routs faster than the good publicity. Future business expansion at Adani will now be in question. There is no way for them to raise money. Hindenburg whether right or wrong has led the rout. This can only be remedied through an in depth investigation. It will take maybe 5 years but an inquiry has to be conducted. All this could take 5 years but a lesson to be learnt here is that if you have to raise capital abroad then all your financial dealings have to be spot clean and constantly examined by outsiders. I hope Adani will survive, because this is a business based on assets and good business practices. Not looking good overall. The fastest way to end these losses and stock price slide is for SEBI to publicly give a clean chit to the Adani group. Short sellers world over claim to do the job that regulators can't do ( SEC in the US, SEBI in India....etc ). So if the grave allegations against Adani are true, it would imply that SEBI was either incompetent or complicit in Adani's so called manipulation. None are good outcomes. Ultimately only SEBi's judgement or action will determine which way this is going. If SEBI were to give a clean chit ( when there is actually a fraud proven eventually ) ...it would tarnish the image of India's institutions irreparably. So I don't think SEBI will do anything to favor Adani. Under_Score and ravishingravi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: The fastest way to end these losses and stock price slide is for SEBI to publicly give a clean chit to the Adani group. Short sellers world over claim to do the job that regulators can't do ( SEC in the US, SEBI in India....etc ). So if the grave allegations against Adani are true, it would imply that SEBI was either incompetent or complicit in Adani's so called manipulation. None are good outcomes. Ultimately only SEBi's judgement or action will determine which way this is going. If SEBI were to give a clean chit ( when there is actually a fraud proven eventually ) ...it would tarnish the image of India's institutions irreparably. So I don't think SEBI will do anything to favor Adani. SEBI won't stick it's head out. Bleeding will end by this week. Adanis will have to lick their wounds. They high stakes in all their companies and tangible assets. They can monetize later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, Mariyam said: Why duped? If fundamentals are strong.... Institutional investors mainly. Surely they've done their due diligence. The Hindenburg "expose" is basically an amalgamation of reports that have been out for sometime now. Investors still put in their $. TBH, I hadn't heard of Hindenburg until this episode. It was overvalued. There was a lot that went into that report. If someone has called other person a con artist and there has been no response, you can draw your conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, ravishingravi said: SEBI won't stick it's head out. Bleeding will end by this week. Adanis will have to lick their wounds. They high stakes in all their companies and tangible assets. They can monetize later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Please be more informed. This news of shell companies investing in Adani is not new news. It was reported 2 years back. But because a gora brought it up, people like you have made it more relevant. Every company exploits loop holes and commits manipulation. Some of the biggest tech companies in Silicon Valley do it. Apple - the most profitable company ever, pays a measly 7 % corporate tax through manipulations of tax regimes, while regular people pay 33 % income tax. Read this and educate yourself along with @Under_Score. https://americansfortaxfairness.org/issues/corporate-taxes/highlights-of-apples-tax-dodging/ Stop sucking up to everything goras say. Every major corporation indulges in manipulating the system. If your share is worth 15c to a dollar and you use shady account practices, what is there to defend. Why don't they use a reputable accounting company to verify who is telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 kaise kaise hai hamare desh mein. fraud ko bhi justify kar rahe hain. aapka paisa doobein aise kabhi. I hope aisa ho. tab akal ayegi Singh bling and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 25 minutes ago, SM2907 said: kaise kaise hai hamare desh mein. fraud ko bhi justify kar rahe hain. aapka paisa doobein aise kabhi. I hope aisa ho. tab akal ayegi Top post. If true, this man has been looting millions from innocent people. Someone outside needs to audit his books. SM2907 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 26 minutes ago, SM2907 said: kaise kaise hai hamare desh mein. fraud ko bhi justify kar rahe hain. aapka paisa doobein aise kabhi. I hope aisa ho. tab akal ayegi phir kehten hain mughlo ne hum par raaj kiya, angrezon ne hum par raakj kiya. chew@iypa ke hud hoti hai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, SM2907 said: kaise kaise hai hamare desh mein. fraud ko bhi justify kar rahe hain. aapka paisa doobein aise kabhi. I hope aisa ho. tab akal ayegi Fraud ka matlab pata hai kya ? tune verify kiya Kya ? SEBI ne kuch bola ke fraud hai kya ? ya kynki koi gora bol raha hai isliye tu lait gaya ? same category of people who called surgical strikes as farzikal strikes doubted own army because foreign media said so. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said: Fraud ka matlab pata hai kya ? tune verify kiya Kya ? SEBI ne kuch bola ke fraud hai kya ? ya kynki koi gora bol raha hai isliye tu lait gaya ? same category of people who called surgical strikes as farzikal strikes doubted own army because foreign media said so. Don't compare IAF with Adani. If all this is false why does he not retain an outside accounting company? He has done nothing to stem bleeding. All these things need to be transparent to make country stronger. It is about India and it's institutions, not Adani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said: Fraud ka matlab pata hai kya ? tune verify kiya Kya ? SEBI ne kuch bola ke fraud hai kya ? ya kynki koi gora bol raha hai isliye tu lait gaya ? same category of people who called surgical strikes as farzikal strikes doubted own army because foreign media said so. mujhe pata hai fraud ka matlab. And you gave the answer yourself. Why is SEBI silent. logon ka paisa doob gaya and SEBI chup hai. Bilkul Chup. why?? And you must be the same category of people who called demonetization a great success. chip in 2000 rupee note. terrorism khatam. Note ko size karna bhool gaye. Gutter se gas. a + b whole square karein to. STREANH , yeh jo strength ki Modi spelling Edited February 3 by SM2907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Khota said: Top post. If true, this man has been looting millions from innocent people. Someone outside needs to audit his books. It wont be required. Market has reacted. Audit will be to save his ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, Under_Score said: Nothing but downhill at present for Adani...just checked this NSE chart now. if it gets to fundamentals, the potential to fall is 90%. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 company ka naam mein hi hint tha - Adani Total Gas Limited Lone Wolf and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Under_Score said: Bhaisaab, Yeh kya gora, kaala peela laga rakha hai......... SEBI would've never dared to question Adani & same with the mainstream Godi media....they are equal culprits in creating this money & fame greedy person whose only target seemed like to probably become the number one richest businessman in the world.....he just chose the short cut wrong path.....now just came crashing down. “ Money and fame “ greedy person. He is the most behind the scenes and humble entrepreneur. Have you ever seen him interview an international media ? He You have clearly lost your marbles and are utterly ignorant about how big firms operate to put it politely. Every major conglomerate does manipulation through offshore entities. If Adani is guilty of that so is is every major global conglomerate. What people like you fail to understand in your ignorance is that in REAL Fraud - the assets are ghost assets or non-existent. Adanis assets are REAL, PHYSICALLY VERIFIABLE. Even the short seller has not challenged that. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, rangeelaraja said: “ Money and fame “ greedy person. He is the most behind the scenes and humble entrepreneur. Have you ever seen him interview an international media ? He You have clearly lost your marbles and are utterly ignorant about how big firms operate to put it politely. Every major conglomerate does manipulation through offshore entities. If Adani is guilty of that so is is every major global conglomerate. What people like you fail to understand in your ignorance is that in REAL Fraud - the assets are ghost assets or non-existent. Adanis assets are REAL, PHYSICALLY VERIFIABLE. Even the short seller has not challenged that. stock kyun tank karega fir? RBI kyun exposure details maang raha hai Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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