Lord Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, putrevus said: Indians needed all four fast bowler last time they played in Oval and Umesh was the most successful bowler.Those four fast bowlers blew England away. Ashwin not playing was the right decision.Ashwin stunk in all three tests in SA. those were different bowlers More than number of pacers, we missed a holding bowler,whether pacer or spinner. All 3 pacers in WTC Final were run leakers. We missed someone like Bumrah or even Ishant.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, putrevus said: The same Aussie fast bowlers lost to India in Gabba does it mean they made wrong decision in selection then. You cannot judge selection based on result and assume someone outside would have won the match. We won Gabba without Kohli. That kind of underlines why we played Kohli at all after that. Why do we need Kohli in Tests? Why do you back backing a player who has been sucking for 3 years in Tests. but not someone who was the main reason Inda was even in the final.
putrevus Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: South Africa where 103 out of 106 wickets fell to seamers? Where SA hardly gave the ball to Maharaja? You mean those pitches? Seamer friendly pitches wehre our fast bowler stunk? So Ashwin can bowl only when wickets suit him and not otherwise.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Lord said: those were different bowlers More than number of pacers, we missed a holding bowler,whether pacer or spinner. All 3 pacers in WTC Final were run leakers. We missed someone like Bumrah or even Ishant. In England without Peak Bumrah and Peak Ishant we are nothing. Everyone else is support bowlers. We basically played 4 support bowlers just for the sake got our ass kicked. It is ludicrous to continue defending that. Lord 1
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, putrevus said: So Ashwin can bowl only when wickets suit him and not otherwise. Pitches in SA are very very different from England. We don't even use the same cricket ball. We use Duke here where the seam is pronounced. If you are going to dump Ashwin for SA failure we should have dumped Kohli as well.
putrevus Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Lord said: those were different bowlers More than number of pacers, we missed a holding bowler,whether pacer or spinner. All 3 pacers in WTC Final were run leakers. We missed someone like Bumrah or even Ishant. They needed 3 plus Thakur .Siraj and Shami selected themselves. Umesh given his record in last test he played there in Oval made decent decision.It did not work out does not mean it was wrong decision.
Lord Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, putrevus said: So Ashwin can bowl only when wickets suit him and not otherwise. Every bowler needs some help from the surface. Pacers can bowl everywhere as most pitches have something in them be it reverse swing or uneven bounce if not swing and seam
putrevus Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: Pitches in SA are very very different from England. We don't even use the same cricket ball. We use Duke here where the seam is pronounced. If you are going to dump Ashwin for SA failure we should have dumped Kohli as well. Never said Kohli should play or not play. Don't bring Kohli into discussion. Ashwin is not the difference maker you are making him out to be.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 That was the ball. Weakness of Khawaja. He cannot handle bowlers bowling over the wicket.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, putrevus said: Never said Kohli should play or not play. Don't bring Kohli into discussion. Ashwin is not the difference maker you are making him out to be. Yes he is the different dude. You can argue all you want. There is a solid theory behind it. A reason why even the normallly quiet Sachin was critical of that move.
MechEng Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: 320 is minimum required. If Starc bowls crap like he did today Australia will have a major headache. Australia has some bad memories against us and also England in one of the Test The biggest headache is Stokes. He's middling everything right now and only gets out to a mistimed shot.
Lord Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: They needed 3 plus Thakur .Siraj and Shami selected themselves. Umesh given his record in last test he played there in Oval made decent decision.It did not work out does not mean it was wrong decision. Again, there was no holding bowler or variety in the attack. If not Ashwin, some pacer who could have bowled frugally should have been there.
rkt.india Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: Ashwin was not replacing Thakur so selection was not problem. Thakur did play in Ashwin's place at #8.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, MechEng said: The biggest headache is Stokes. He's middling everything right now and only gets out to a mistimed shot. Stokes is one of those who cannot be called "out of form" lol Drop off the hat he will play like someone who has been "in form" of his life
putrevus Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Lord said: Every bowler needs some help from the surface. Pacers can bowl everywhere as most pitches have something in them be it reverse swing or uneven bounce if not swing and seam Yes they do need help.Ashwin could not do anything when he had 440 plus runs in fourth innings either in SA.
putrevus Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, rkt.india said: Thakur did play in Ashwin's place at #8. What is your point. Thakur playing was right decision.
Lord Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, putrevus said: Yes they do need help.Ashwin could not do anything when he had 440 plus runs in fourth innings either in SA. because there was nothing for him. There was for pacers and even they got belted.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord said: Again, there was no holding bowler or variety in the attack. If not Ashwin, some pacer who could have bowled frugally should have been there. Every single seamer we carried were pedestrian bar Siraj. Shami the old man even at his peak was at best a support bowler in England. Ishant's inswingers and Bumrah's variety and pacec was the reason why we bullied England. Others are probably suitable in Australia may be SA. Not in England.
vvvslaxman Posted July 7, 2023 Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord said: Aus is throwing it away. But that was the "weakness" ball. Don't know why England didn't try that channel instead they were wasting on short balls
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