Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[BlueBlood]

53 minutes ago, someone said:

Adani/Ambani are just for namesakes. Its about killing the aspirational India, self-made people reaching the very top. They want to create permanent divide, restrictions, and glass-ceiling. 

 

Some rich political families and foreigners will “control” the dirty, poor India. They want everybody else to play second-fiddle to them. It is English Raj Part 2.

 

 

 

It's easy for NRI's to say this from the comfort of their social safety nets.

 

Look at the state of government hospitals in India or even the pollution, dust, and lack of cleanliness and hygiene for majority of the country.

 

The issue here isn't Aspirational India, it's about giving too much power into your buddies hands. Imagine if Vijay Mallya was a political crony, he would have been protected.

 

People don't even realize how bad the monopolization of the key drivers of growth is. Those who get it, completely understand why the wealth redistribution topic is raised as the wealth is just not trickling down to the poor and lower middle class. Especially those without any assets.

 

Any idiot with common sense knows that monopolies crush innovation and raise prices. That's a far cry from capitalism.

 

History shows when you monopolize industries, the unions and people want their pound of flesh through wealth redistribution whether you like it or not.

[BlueBlood]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You still don’t have an answer for re-distribution of wealth. If a US owned business in India makes profits and ask them to share profits with the poor. Will they continue to do business here? Why would you want the same for an Indian company? 
 

FDI reduction is also because of the state of economy of global business with recession and all. All are cutting jobs and the outlook is not good. Reduction in FDI is not because of Adani. Reliance communications is in telecom business since 25 years now and it is owned by Ambani. Indian startup along with TCS is into telecom equipment business like Huawei. We don’t need telecom companies of US/EU to make money in India. 
 

BTW, many rich businessmen are eyeing Disney Hotstar in India not just Adani. 

 

Re-distribution of wealth occurs when power is in the hands of too few people and this "wealth" is not trickling down to average person who is usually lower middle class or poor.

 

MNC's that are being purposely destroyed internally like was done (even under MMS regime with Vodafone in 2013) and then continued really at a larger level to protect local business tycoons for political favors has made it impossible for innovation to occur.

 

Already the country is making it hard for MNC's to take profit OUT of India by putting extremely high taxes and regulations. This is exactly why they are even leaving in the first place. This competitive advantage that Adani/Ambani have is exactly why they are buying up all these foreign MNC assets at huge discounts.

 

What this does is you have fewer jobs available as it's impossible for these local business tycoons to manage and grow so many different industries. Add to that, to innovate you need to take massive risks like Elon Musk which they are incapable of doing at the stage in their careers.

 

We had discussions on this here on how Bangladesh has better metrics than India in the GDP per capita. Which means a large swath of Indian people are worse off than Bangladeshis, it just never gets reported by the media as it's controlled by same corporations exploiting these people.

 

I have zero interest in communism or socialism taking over India. But it was bound to happen when innovation stalls and high paying jobs are harder to find due to zero investment in future facing industries. If Adani was to get SBI loans or LIC money, he should have been forced to get into industries like semiconductors, electric cars, AI/Robotics etc. instead the money is given to airports, toll roads, cement etc. which are low growth sectors and never capable of producing the amount of jobs these future facing industries can do.

 

Look at IT, the country would have been worse than Africa without the IT and BPO sector. It was done through strategic incentives. Imagine if in the late 1990's IT sector was put into the hands of a Bajaj or Mittal through SBI loans, they would have never been able to grow it as much as free market capitalism could have.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

It's easy for NRI's to say this from the comfort of their social safety nets.

 

Look at the state of government hospitals in India or even the pollution, dust, and lack of cleanliness and hygiene for majority of the country.

 

The issue here isn't Aspirational India, it's about giving too much power into your buddies hands. Imagine if Vijay Mallya was a political crony, he would have been protected.

 

People don't even realize how bad the monopolization of the key drivers of growth is. Those who get it, completely understand why the wealth redistribution topic is raised as the wealth is just not trickling down to the poor and lower middle class. Especially those without any assets.

 

Any idiot with common sense knows that monopolies crush innovation and raise prices. That's a far cry from capitalism.

 

History shows when you monopolize industries, the unions and people want their pound of flesh through wealth redistribution whether you like it or not.

 

Taking wealth away from middle class hands and giving it to the poor class is a surefire way of sinking your economy, which is what congress wants to do. This is literally what Venezuela did and went straight to the bottom. 

Monopolies are bad only when there is a product to be sold to the consumer base. Else monopolies are just fine. 

 

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What this does is you have fewer jobs available as it's impossible for these local business tycoons to manage and grow so many different industries. Add to that, to innovate you need to take massive risks like Elon Musk which they are incapable of doing at the stage in their careers.

 

 

Elon Musk has gotten where he is today PRECISELY due to grants and support from the US govenment, for TESLA and for SpaceX, the likes of which we dont even see in India today. The nylon mask is one of the greatest beneficiaries of crony capitalism and being nurtured by government funded grants and such.

Yet, you have a problem when we do that with our own homegrown tycoons. I wonder why.

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We had discussions on this here on how Bangladesh has better metrics than India in the GDP per capita. Which means a large swath of Indian people are worse off than Bangladeshis, it just never gets reported by the media as it's controlled by same corporations exploiting these people.

 

 

Stop making up nonsense. Bangladesh's GINI coefficient is 33.9 India's is 32.8  Lower the coefficient, greater the income equality in a country. Its not a big difference, but Indians have greater wealth distribution than Beedis do.

 

citation:  https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

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But it was bound to happen when innovation stalls and high paying jobs are harder to find due to zero investment in future facing industries. 

Again, stop making up nonsense. 
India is literallythe most improved nation in innovation in the world for 2022( 2023 data is not out yet), with the highest increase in patent filing for any country. Ie, innovation in India is improving at the greatest rate in the entire world. 

Citation:  https://www.wipo.int/en/ipfactsandfigures/designs

Direct quote from the above citation :  " . The largest increases were in India, which filed 31.6% more application in 2022."

 

 

Edited April 9 by Muloghonto

[BlueBlood]

Lol Monopoly is fine when it's Adani and Ambani which you Bots have to support. If the same Monopoly was from someone else like Vadra, you would be running and screaming.

 

If it was Vijay Mallya you would be worshipping him too. Same with Nirav Modi and others.

 

Only difference here is... 10 years from now you will be exactly where you are and they will have left the country looting it fully though Monopoly. And at that time you will hide as usual behind fake patriotism. They found a perfect excuse to cover up everything under fake guise of patriotism like Stalin, Hitler and Lenin. And you fools falling Hook, line and sinker is exactly why I will be laughing when you fools still stay back in USA or West doing nothing but talking. 

 

Not a single one of you will start a company or create jobs in India. But talk, talk talk because it's free to talk. Then when someone complains about problems in starting a business due to monopolies, you call him a anti-national.

 

Perfect Bots. It's impressive what media brainwashing can do over extended periods of time.

Edited April 9 by BlueBlood

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Lol Monopoly is fine when it's Adani and Ambani which you Bots have to support. If the same Monopoly was from someone else like Vadra, you would be running and screaming.

Yes. because Vadra is tied in with Italian mafia. 

 

3 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

If it was Vijay Mallya you would be worshipping him too. Same with Nirav Modi and others.

 

Only difference here is... 10 years from now you will be exactly where you are and they will have left the country looting it fully though Monopoly. And at that time you will hide as usual behind fake patriotism. They found a perfect excuse to cover up everything under fake guise of patriotism like Stalin, Hitler and Lenin. And you fools falling Hook, line and sinker is exactly why I will be laughing when you fools still stay back in USA or West doing nothing but talking. 

 

Not a single one of you will start a company or create jobs in India. But talk, talk talk because it's free to talk. Then when someone complains about problems in starting a business due to monopolies, you call him a anti-national.

 

Perfect Bots. It's impressive what media brainwashing can do over extended periods of time.

Hey Bot. where is the acknowledgement of the facts i presented. You were wrong that innovation is stalling in India. India is actually the greatest improved nation in innovation in the world, as per citation from the biggest patent filing body in the world. 

India has greater wealth distribution than we see in Bangladesh, as cited by GINI coefficient of the two nations from World Bank.

 

Are you gonna continue being a bot or acknowledge these facts and correct your bullshit & misinformed opinion ?

 

[randomGuy]

On 4/9/2024 at 4:21 PM, Lone Wolf said:

Reckon North India will see some reduction in BJP seats...  Let's see how they compensate for this. 

Six seats in JK and 9 Punjab are easiest targets for opposition ... Followed by some in HP.  Target must be around 17 there. 

Have to see how things go in Haryana...  Will farmer protest and highest unemployment rate have some significance? 

 

The Great Khali Dalip Singh Rana has spoken, Abki baar 500 paar

 

 

 

 

[cowboysfan]

one thing is for sure and that is Congress wont cross 40 seats and i am being generous there.BJP will do tremendously well in south india and will sweep hindi belt.I am not sure about 400 for NDA but it will touch and go .

[Lone Wolf]

16 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

one thing is for sure and that is Congress wont cross 40 seats and i am being generous there.BJP will do tremendously well in south india and will sweep hindi belt.I am not sure about 400 for NDA but it will touch and go .

Lol no max is 330 but I expect BJP to just about maintain its 2019 numbers. 

I think they played Mandir card way too early...   Haryana Punjab JK are already gone...  UK seems touch and go for both sides. 

Let's see how this goes.  Marketing and advertising will be key in states like Karnataka. 

[coffee_rules]

Full toss by Modi. People will be busy debating on Veg vs Non-vegetarianism till elections come and go. I don’t think as a vegetarian it hurts my feelings on a festive day if someone eats mutton and displays videos. I’d just turn it off and won’t watch it. Bad issue to bring it up. We all know who eats mutton during Eid!

 

 

PM Narendra Modi attacked INDIA bloc allies Rahul Gandhi and
Lalu Yadav for allegedly eating mutton during the holy month of Sawan last year.@_pallavighosh shares more | @poonam_burde
#SettingTheElectionAgenda #Congress #BJP pic.twitter.com/dZMfWDafiN

— News18 (@CNNnews18) April 12, 2024

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[randomGuy]

33 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Full toss by Modi. People will be busy debating on Veg vs Non-vegetarianism till elections come and go. I don’t think as a vegetarian it hurts my feelings on a festive day if someone eats mutton and displays videos. I’d just turn it off and won’t watch it. Bad issue to bring it up. We all know who eats mutton during Eid!

 

 

I am not aware of the south, but in the north (including Maharashtra), Hindus don't eat non-veg during Navratras. This is kind of a big deal. Someone eats quietly is different from showing off cooking it in a criminals house during Navratras.

[coffee_rules]

9 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

I am not aware of the south, but in the north (including Maharashtra), Hindus don't eat non-veg during Navratras. This is kind of a big deal. Someone eats quietly is different from showing off cooking it in a criminals house during Navratras.

A lot of North Indians also won't eat even Veg uring Navratri, forget non-veg. So, cooking and showing off even Veg food would be offensive. There's a reason why he said mutton in this time of the year.  

Edited April 12 by coffee_rules

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

I am not aware of the south, but in the north (including Maharashtra), Hindus don't eat non-veg during Navratras. This is kind of a big deal. Someone eats quietly is different from showing off cooking it in a criminals house during Navratras.

Point is it has nothing to with politics....  Sounds pathetic and creepy at the same time. 

[randomGuy]

49 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Point is it has nothing to with politics....  Sounds pathetic and creepy at the same time. 

 

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

A lot of North Indians also won't eat even Veg uring Navratri, forget non-veg. So, cooking and showing off even Veg food would be offensive. There's a reason why he said mutton in this time of the year.  

 

 

Rahul baba and lalua are both North Indians and Modi will not comment the same for a South Indian leader, in the same way that he doesn't comment on foreigners consuming cow meat, but as I said, this is kind of a big deal in the North...

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Point is it has nothing to with politics....  Sounds pathetic and creepy at the same time. 

 

Don't blame him, as the opposition gives nothing to criticize them. Corruption and anti-Hindu. Nothing on policy or FA or things that matter. He has to say something in his campaigns to dissuade the voters. 

[cowboysfan]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol no max is 330 but I expect BJP to just about maintain its 2019 numbers. 

I think they played Mandir card way too early...   Haryana Punjab JK are already gone...  UK seems touch and go for both sides. 

Let's see how this goes.  Marketing and advertising will be key in states like Karnataka. 

dude how can you be so wrong.I have been here for only a few months and this is a wave if i i ever saw one.they are winning atleast 6 seats in TN!!.what do myou mean haryana is gone? if they dont sweep haryana then there is something really wrong on the ground,they were so confident they ditched that chautala party.and its not the farmers protest.Punjab they will win some in the northern regions and they will sweep Jammu.NDA partners will hit close to 50 by themselves,shocking you cant see this.

[cowboysfan]

also no need to marketing and advertising in karnataka.Modi is loved by everybody,they dont even care about the candidates.

[Lone Wolf]

26 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

dude how can you be so wrong.I have been here for only a few months and this is a wave if i i ever saw one.they are winning atleast 6 seats in TN!!.what do myou mean haryana is gone? if they dont sweep haryana then there is something really wrong on the ground,they were so confident they ditched that chautala party.and its not the farmers protest.Punjab they will win some in the northern regions and they will sweep Jammu.NDA partners will hit close to 50 by themselves,shocking you cant see this.

Nah...  Public sentiment are Anti Modi in Jammu post 370 revocation Jitendra Singh is set to lose Udhampur...  Kashmir is all NC..  Ladakh is on revolution path easy win for Congress in Kargil and Leh. 

Modi sahab did rally especially for Jitendra today in Udhampur...  Loss is imminent...  That was last throw of dice. 

 

In Punjab AAP enjoys massive fan following...  Second is Congress..  Then come Akalis. 

Haryana there is literal outrage at ground level...  Everyone knows  it is toast. 

 

You are straight up delusional don't go by paid media.  BJP has hit saturation point in 2019...  That was The monster wave...  Right now there is nothing to see in North West at least. 

 

Tyagis and Rajputs of Western UP are also up in arms about lack of representation....  So yes BJP has massive issues to deal with in North as well. 

Rajasthan Bihar eastern UP Assam MP are invincible strongholds of BJP at present and maybe add Tripura as well in North East due to border crossing issue. 

 

Edited April 12 by Lone Wolf

[cowboysfan]

13 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nah...  Public sentiment are Anti Modi in Jammu post 370 revocation Jitendra Singh is set to lose Udhampur...  Kashmir is all NC..  Ladakh is on revolution path easy win for Congress in Kargil and Leh. 

Modi sahab did rally especially for Jitendra today in Udhampur...  Loss is imminent...  That was last throw of dice. 

 

In Punjab AAP enjoys massive fan following...  Second is Congress..  Then come Akalis. 

Haryana there is literal outrage at ground level...  Everyone knows  it is toast. 

 

You are straight up delusional don't go by paid media.  BJP has hit saturation point in 2019...  That was The monster wave...  Right now there is nothing to see in North West at least. 

 

Tyagis and Rajputs of Western UP are also up in arms about lack of representation....  So yes BJP has massive issues to deal with in North as well. 

Rajasthan Bihar eastern UP Assam MP are invincible strongholds of BJP at present and maybe add Tripura as well in North East due to border crossing issue. 

 

i think you are wrong.rajputs may be angry but who are they going to vote for?SP? congress??anyway we will know on june 4th.,i stick by my feeling.worst case scenario for NDA they will have 2/3 majority in Loksabha but 400 still on.

[Singh bling]

On 4/12/2024 at 8:02 PM, cowboysfan said:

they ditched that chautala party.

Dushyant Chautala is ditched so he can eat congress votes mainly of Jaats. With new CM of Haryana BJP made it clear that OBC is their main vote bank and Jaats despite numerical superiority over all castes are not given CM post.Chaudhry Birendar singh also returned to Congress.

[ravishingravi]

What is important is not absolute number but the mix. The big surprise will come from south and bengal.