Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[randomGuy]

Man, would pay to be a spectator in these Congress meetings (listen from 4 min to 7 min on how kanhaiya Kumar, Congress candidate against Manoj Tiwari from NE Delhi was received by Congress)

 

 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

BJP is losing or what?

 

Arnab Goswami was looking very quiet yesterday with his face all down. Even though exit polls are not out to the public till last phase, I am sure poling agencies let the TV channels know secretly of the numbers. Looks like he is aware of the exit numbers of 1st phase and was vividly dejected. Something was not right. Same was the case with Sudhir Chaudhary in Aaj Tak.

Yes. BJP is losing. Matham manao ab!

[ravishingravi]

 

[ravishingravi]

Women voters. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

Comments here remind me of 2019. Same wrist slitting amateurish analysis. This bogie of 2004 never will end. Read this thread. Same old same old. 

 

https://twitter.com/5Forty3/status/1122865229648371714?t=7P__NsQwrgfxEhH_1hPIaA&s=19

 

 

[randomGuy]

2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Women voters. 

 

 

Today Modi said Rahul will run away from Wayanad like he ran away from Amethi. Modi would have some ground feel otherwise he would never say this.

[Gollum]

On 4/19/2024 at 9:31 PM, Lone Wolf said:

Annamalai meets Akhilesh....  Seems this is it... Rujaaan aa chuke hai.. 

 

Bad for the country if Annamalai loses. High caliber person, he should be the future of Indian politics. 

 

Fighting the DMK goons is tough, final frontier for BJP. 

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[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bad for the country if Annamalai loses. High caliber person, he should be the future of Indian politics. 

Intelligent & high caliber person has no place in Indian poltics....  I like Anna as well but TN is tough to crack...  DMK has also tapped into Women vote this time & they have come out in numbers.  Also Max gawaar hai baaki BJP mai..  Congress ka acha maal import kar rahe aaj kal paise de kar. 

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[ravishingravi]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bad for the country if Annamalai loses. High caliber person, he should be the future of Indian politics. 

 

Fighting the DMK goons is tough, final frontier for BJP. 

 

Such battles are not won or lost in first round. Politics is a waiting game. You have to be in it to create opportunities over the long run. 

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Intelligent & high caliber person has no place in Indian poltics....  I like Anna as well but TN is tough to crack...  DMK has also tapped into Women vote this time & they have come out in numbers.  Also Max gawaar hai baaki BJP mai..  Congress ka acha maal import kar rahe aaj kal paise de kar. 

Woh sab toh theek hai yaar but TN mein 20% voteshare chahiye, 2-3 seats kaafi hai but voteshare badhao, make BJP undisputed number 2 behind DMK. If Annamalai does that, it is already a big victory for the timebeing. 

 

BJP didn't become strong in Bengal overnight, it was a 15 years long process, and a very violent process, hundreds of dead bodies. Annamalai is just 39, DMK heir Udhayanidhi Stalin is 46 and seen as a joke even by Dravidian stock. 

 

Lambi race ka ghoda hai Annamalai, I see a future PM in him tbh, hope his sacrifices bear the fruits. He did stellar work as IPS officer in Karnataka and could have reached the top, but good to see him in politics. 

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[randomGuy]

15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Woh sab toh theek hai yaar but TN mein 20% voteshare chahiye, 2-3 seats kaafi hai but voteshare badhao, make BJP undisputed number 2 behind DMK. If Annamalai does that, it is already a big victory for the timebeing. 

 

BJP didn't become strong in Bengal overnight, it was a 15 years long process, and a very violent process, hundreds of dead bodies. Annamalai is just 39, DMK heir Udhayanidhi Stalin is 46 and seen as a joke even by Dravidian stock. 

 

Lambi race ka ghoda hai Annamalai, I see a future PM in him tbh, hope his sacrifices bear the fruits. He did stellar work as IPS officer in Karnataka and could have reached the top, but good to see him in politics. 

PM material only if he gets 36+ seats in TN. TN has 90% Hindus... his job is considerably easier than Yogi and Hemanta who are much bolder than Annamalai. Let us hope Annamalai can follow leaders like Modi, Yogi, Shah, Hemanta.

[Gollum]

20 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

PM material only if he gets 36+ seats in TN. TN has 90% Hindus

Only in name (90% lol), many are cryptos and the Hindus too are brainwashed by Periyar group over decades. DMK controls the media, every institution in the state. 

20 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

... his job is considerably easier than Yogi and Hemanta who are much bolder than Annamalai. Let us hope Annamalai can follow leaders like Modi, Yogi, Shah, Hemanta.

Considerably easier what? TN Hindus (way way less than 90%) are servile and brainwashed beyond belief (pin drop response to anti-Hindu jibes by U.Stalin, TR Baalu, Raja etc.), beghairat qaum living in a delusional world unlike the ones in north/east/rest, or even Karnataka. If Annamalai captures TN (which is at least 20 years work) he will have accomplished more than Modi, Shah, Yogi, Himanta combined. What do you mean by bolder? He is not even an MLA/MP yet has been given Z security by the government, that is the kind of risk he is putting himself in exposing the goons/terrorists/murderers. There are actual ISIS type modules in the state that have carried out assassinations of dozens of RSS/BJP affiliated men in the last 10 years. 

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[ravishingravi]

18 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

PM material only if he gets 36+ seats in TN. TN has 90% Hindus... his job is considerably easier than Yogi and Hemanta who are much bolder than Annamalai. Let us hope Annamalai can follow leaders like Modi, Yogi, Shah, Hemanta.

 

TN is not UP. Non Hindi speaking population with different cultural rooting to Hindi belt. Most don't understand a word of what Modi is saying.  Hindus on certificate but deeply divided by caste and United by anti brahminism. A state where atheism is mainstream. A prosperous state by India standards dominated by two regional Dravidian parties who controlled 90% of vote base. 

 

Yogi didn't create the victory base for BJP in UP. He was just beneficiary of modiji. He is doing great work but he is the third BJP CM in UP. 

 

Annamalai is working without party cadre and base. Had to set it up from ground up. Had to detach BJP from AIADMK. Now has to break through Dravidian bastion where they control media and resources. For context, money poured in one seat of TN is equal to that one of many state elections. 

 

In 10-15 years PM material if he cracks TN. 

[Gollum]

Nirmala Sitharaman and Jaishankar don't have the guts to stand in an election in TN. Yogi Adityanath was there in TN few years back and there were more street dogs than people in the meeting place, libbu twitterati was having a field day then. That is the reality of 90% Hindus claim in TN.  Every time Modi comes to TN, he is greeted with black flags and chants of GoBackModi.....even in IIT Madras he was greeted with black flags. 

 

Modi wouldn't dare to contest an election in a TN temple town with 95% so called Hindu population. The task entrusted on Annamalai is as tough as it gets, with Bengal the advantage for BJP is that Bangladeshi/Rohingya illegal immigration can no longer be played down even by bhadraloks...demographic change is too drastic and sharia zones have come up throughout the state. In TN, people are still in slumber mode as the missionary groups make inroads backed by the anti-Hindu DMK/DK groups. Muslims are same everywhere, just nuisance value, so no need to mention them.

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[randomGuy]

15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Only in name (90% lol), many are cryptos and the Hindus too are brainwashed by Periyar group over decades. DMK controls the media, every institution in the state. 

Considerably easier lmao, TN Hindus are servile and brainwashed beyond belief, beghairat qaum living in a delusional world unlike the ones in north/east/rest, or even Karnataka. If Annamalai captures TN (which is at least 20 years work) he will have accomplished more than Modi, Shah, Yogi, Himanta combined. What do you mean by bolder? He is not even an MLA/MP yet has been given Z security by the government, that is the kind of risk he is putting himself in exposing the goons/terrorists/murderers. There are actual ISIS type modules in the state that have killed out many assassinations of dozens of RSS/BJP affiliated men in the last 10 years. 

Good post. Few points,

1. The media control point is less relevant today. Opposition also says the same when they say 'Godi media' ...you have YouTube, Twitter etc. can't suppress the voice or the message of BJP. People of TN themselves haven't woken up fully. Hopefully will soon be.

 

2. Bold in terms of actions and in terms of speech against Islamists, against mafia. Hemanta has the courage to shut down madrassas in a state of 34% Muslims. Yogi has taken down entire ecosystem of mafia. Annamalai is not in power, so won't talk about action but he has been not particularly bold compared to yogi, Hemanta in terms of speech as well.

 

3. Caste factors are everywhere including obviously in UP. It is the job of the leader to overcome them. ~15% voteshare for bjp is also there is Kerala. If in TN 20-25% is the ceiling for BJP then that's no good. Have to aim big i.e. 60-70% , awaken the sleeping people of TN. Otherwise you don't get to have 'future PM' tag.

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[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Good post. Few points,

1. The media control point is less relevant today. Opposition also says the same when they say 'Godi media' ...you have YouTube, Twitter etc. can't suppress the voice or the message of BJP. People of TN themselves haven't woken up fully. Hopefully will soon be.

 

2. Bold in terms of actions and in terms of speech against Islamists, against mafia. Hemanta has the courage to shut down madrassas in a state of 34% Muslims. Yogi has taken down entire ecosystem of mafia. Annamalai is not in power, so won't talk about action but he has been not particularly bold compared to yogi, Hemanta in terms of speech as well.

 

3. Caste factors are everywhere including obviously in UP. It is the job of the leader to overcome them. ~15% voteshare for bjp is also there is Kerala. If the 20-25% is the ceiling for BJP then that's no good. Have to aim big i.e. 60-70% , awaken the sleeping people of TN.

I believe Hindus of TN will wake up eventually. May be a slow process compared to rest of India, and a laborious one. But will happen. We need someone to do that thankless job, and perhaps Annamalai is the chosen one by BJP higher ups. 

 

He is building the party from scratch, earlier BJP would be a junior partner with AIADMK and be content with a few bones thrown at them, never a serious party in the state. Will take time, even Indira's Congress could never beat the Dravidian parties. Final frontier for national parties, especially BJP. 

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[Gollum]

12 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Otherwise you don't get to have 'future PM' tag.

'Future PM' if he wins TN for BJP. May take 15+ years and he will be in his mid 50s to 60s by then. Till then expect Shah, Yogi, Gadkari, Himanta etc. to be in the run. 

 

If BJP wins TN, then there is nothing the party can't achieve, that will be the crowning jewel in the history of the party. I am hoping Kerala Christians see the light (Islamists can never be allies) and BJP wins there as well, even in alliance. In Kashmir anyway no hope, just use danda there. 

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[randomGuy]

17 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Nirmala Sitharaman and Jaishankar don't have the guts to stand in an election in TN. Yogi Adityanath was there in TN few years back and there were more street dogs than people in the meeting place, libbu twitterati was having a field day then. That is the reality of 90% Hindus claim in TN.  Every time Modi comes to TN, he is greeted with black flags and chants of GoBackModi.....even in IIT Madras he was greeted with black flags. 

 

Modi wouldn't dare to contest an election in a TN temple town with 95%  or dari called Hindu population. The task entrusted on Annamalai is as tough as it gets, with Bengal the advantage for BJP is that Bangladeshi/Rohingya illegal immigration can no longer be played down even by bhadraloks. In TN, people are still in slumber mode as the missionary groups make inroads backed by the anti-Hindu DMK/DK groups. Muslims are same everywhere, just nuisance value, so no need to mention them.

'Won't dare' you live in a fool's paradise dear friend 

 

1. Modi won't leave Varanasi. UP has the bulk of seats and has religious significance for entire India. Modi a theth Gujrati speaker isn't exactly a northie, has bad Hindi pronunciation compared to a UP guy, yet he won UP and India over. Kanyakumari and Coimbatore have been won by BJP before. Stretegy not 'courage or daring' are the reasons why he doesn't contest from TN. Heck even a Rahul Gandhi, a proper northie, won in Kerala. 

 

2. Annamalai joined world's largest party bjp became state president got security under the chhatrachaya of Modi. Yogi was fighting when bjp had much smaller base. 

 

 

 

 

[Gollum]

On 4/19/2024 at 11:36 PM, Lone Wolf said:

People are saying Annamalai may have robbed BJP by creating fake hype...  Paise khaa gya saare 

Elections need money. Going against the corrupt DMK machinery will require investment.....

 

Why have this mindset that one can't win in some place? Same could have been said about UP or Bengal 15 years back. BJP started with 2 seats in 1984, 300+ now. What if Vajpayee, Advani and others had given up in 1984 itself? Politics requires lot of sacrifices and long term plans. 

 

Annamalai could have had a safe career in IPS. He took a risk by entering politics and looks set for a long fight. He may or may not succeed, but don't we want bright, non-corrupt, hard working people in politics? Any day an Annamalai over 4th generation Yadav or 5th generation from Karunanidhi's family. 

[Lone Wolf]

29 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Good post. Few points,

1. The media control point is less relevant today. Opposition also says the same when they say 'Godi media' ...you have YouTube, Twitter etc. can't suppress the voice or the message of BJP. People of TN themselves haven't woken up fully. Hopefully will soon be.

 

2. Bold in terms of actions and in terms of speech against Islamists, against mafia. Hemanta has the courage to shut down madrassas in a state of 34% Muslims. Yogi has taken down entire ecosystem of mafia. Annamalai is not in power, so won't talk about action but he has been not particularly bold compared to yogi, Hemanta in terms of speech as well.

 

3. Caste factors are everywhere including obviously in UP. It is the job of the leader to overcome them. ~15% voteshare for bjp is also there is Kerala. If in TN 20-25% is the ceiling for BJP then that's no good. Have to aim big i.e. 60-70% , awaken the sleeping people of TN. Otherwise you don't get to have 'future PM' tag.

Wrong to compare Hemanta and Assam with any state...  He successfully mobilized masses after genuine concerns of illegal Sylhet Bangladeshis invading Assam..   Created a mass movement and cult following based on that. 

Yogi baccha hai uske saamne...  Bro might be corrupt but uska stardom hai Assam mai & in North East...  He impacted all the seven sisters and opened doors for BJP.