Winning the middle overs bowling phase in ODI's - where India lacks!

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

That weakens our batting though. 

 

Pandya is the designated middle over pacer we have alongwith Shami/Thakur. Not sure why we need more.

Yeah and that's ok provided Jadeja does not play and Shardul can give 10 overs solely in the middle - 10 to 20 and 30-40.

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, putrevus said:

You keep talking as if India has surplus of wrist spinners but they are not selected.

 

If India has to win matches, fast bowlers and Kuldeep ticket upfront. 10-30s overs is where Kuldeep will mostly bowl his first spell .

 

Since we will have Bumrah , I am hoping he will help India break those building partnerships at any stage of the game.

I'm saying bowl a pacer instead of a finger spinner in the middle not a finger spinner. We already have a wrist spinner in the middle

 

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

You mean finger spinners with strike rates above 60 in the middle overs are better options than seamers who who all strike at less than 40?

 

Ok

You think you are  reinventing wheel. We have wrist spinner in Chahal who is only guy who is not selected for a good reason he stinks.

 

That is why finger spinners like Sundar, Ashwin and Jadeja are being summoned.

Edited September 23, 2023 by putrevus

[putrevus]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm saying bowl a pacer instead of a finger spinner in the middle not a finger spinner. We already have a wrist spinner in the middle

 

We are bowling Pandya in those overs.We don't have a second wrist spinner. 

[Nikhil_cric]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We are bowling Pandya in those overs.We don't have a second wrist spinner. 

I'm not talking about a 2nd wrist spinner or even a 2nd spinner.

[Nikhil_cric]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You think you are  reinventing wheel. We have wrist spinner in Chahal who is only guy who is not selected for a good reason he stinks.

 

That is why finger spinners like Sundar, Ashwin and Jadeja are being summoned.

Not re-inventing it. Just getting it to move for those who are stuck.

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm saying bowl a pacer instead of a finger spinner in the middle not a finger spinner. We already have a wrist spinner in the middle

 

yeah play a batting AR who can give some overs. Tilak seems best option here

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah play a batting AR who can give some overs. Tilak seems best option here

Doesn't even have to be an all-rounder . Kedar Jadhav actually outbowled the likes of Ashwin and Jadeja in the middle overs while he was around. Actually. taking wickets 

 

And he started bowling after the age of 30 and while playing international cricket . If he can do that, even Shubman, Rohit, SKY and Kohli combined can give 1 over each = 4 overs. 

 

What Rohit and Kohli have done is an absolute joke.

 

On a bad day, even Zampa can get hit mercilessly. 

 

Australia have Matthew short coming in at 8 and we are struggling to get Pandya to come at 7?

 

Laughable stuff.  

[Vijy]

More than MO issue, the major hurdle is that top 5-6 don't bowl and the best 4 bowlers can't bat

[Nikhil_cric]

Fraud spin allrounders - no wickets in the middle overs and batting stops at 5.

 

Joke "bowler-heavy" balance continues. 

[Vijy]

15 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Fraud spin allrounders - no wickets in the middle overs and batting stops at 5.

 

Joke "bowler-heavy" balance continues. 

we should have prepared better by grooming parag or someone else (maybe abhishek) for this WC; someone who can bat in MO and score at high SR, and be selected as a proper batting AR.

[prudent_kreeda]

Be realistic . Some players had to be released for Asian games . Few had requested for Rest/Personal commitments before long WC as series was won already.

Siraj & Ishan were unwell . There was no 6th pure batter available for selection.  Only Ash &  Shami were the players on Bench. 

[Nikhil_cric]

17 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Be realistic . Some players had to be released for Asian games . Few had requested for Rest/Personal commitments before long WC as series was won already.

Siraj & Ishan were unwell . There was no 6th pure batter available for selection.  Only Ash &  Shami were the players on Bench. 

Not talking about the reasons as to why that combination was picked. Just pointing out that this combination allows cowardly, defensive captaincy like we saw yesterday with the use of bowlers

 

 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Not talking about the reasons as to why that combination was picked. Just pointing out that this combination allows cowardly, defensive captaincy like we saw yesterday with the use of bowlers

 

 

 

no he still could have brought Kuldeep much earlier than he did. Just a terrible captain.

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

no he still could have brought Kuldeep much earlier than he did. Just a terrible captain.

That's my point. If he didn't have one those frauds at his disposal, he would have been forced to bring Kuldeep along with the remaining fraud. 

 

10 overs of main bowlers wasted and no extra batter.

 

6 bowler theory 

Edited September 28, 2023 by Nikhil_cric

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

That's my point. If he didn't have one those frauds at his disposal, he would have been forced to bring Kuldeep along with the remaining fraud. 

 

10 overs of main bowlers wasted and no extra batter.

 

6 bowler theory 

 

still can't excuse the captaincy. 5th-6th bowler should always be introduced after main bowlers.

 

I can only think that main focus was on giving more bowling to them as Kuldeep is already a sureshot pick (and perhaps they want to retain some of the mystery).

[Majestic]

Iyer should bowl.