coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 Don’t see end of Hamas. Status quo continues. Nothing changes. Conflict continues, will never end in our lifetime. Dhat Teri!!
zen Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 Need to quickly declare IDF as a terrorist military force, and Israel to vacate Palestinainais lands.
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 5 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Don’t see end of Hamas. Status quo continues. Nothing changes. Conflict continues, will never end in our lifetime. Dhat Teri!! Iranian influence in MiddleEAst has been burned down to Ashes. There is No Hamas, Hezbollah,Houthi,Assad and so on without Iran. Iran needs to buy time, Question is, Is Trump and Bibi going to give that window to Iranians. There is big chance that they will further continue weakening Iran
Chaos Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 6 hours ago, zen said: Need to quickly declare IDF as a terrorist military force, and Israel to vacate Palestinainais lands. Israel wont leave palestine. They will eradicate them. Only matter of time. zen 1
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 11 minutes ago, Chaos said: Israel wont leave palestine. They will eradicate them. Only matter of time. Something valid for Pakistanis is also Valid in Judah and Sumaria too. "Shamshir se sar bacahne ke liye apani striyon ke shareer se Salwar ootarkar khud paahanae vaale , sirf Shamshir ki bhasha samjh sakate hai" Muloghonto 1
Muloghonto Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 9 hours ago, zen said: Need to quickly declare IDF as a terrorist military force, and Israel to vacate Palestinainais lands. It isn't terrorism to bomb the terrorists holding your civillians hostage. But nice try justifying islamist terrorism as a typical libbu. Don't forget that Palestine started this in 1948 by denying UN human rights mandate of self determination.
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 1 minute ago, Muloghonto said: It isn't terrorism to bomb the terrorists holding your civillians hostage. But nice try justifying islamist terrorism as a typical libbu. Don't forget that Palestine started this in 1948 by denying UN human rights mandate of self determination. I am telling you, All Ravana and Duryodhana soldiers who got killed in Ramayana and Mahabharat were innocent and Ram+Krishna have done great diservice. Alternatively accept answer that society has to bear burnt of state policy. Muloghonto 1
zen Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: It isn't terrorism to bomb the terrorists holding your civillians hostage. But nice try justifying islamist terrorism as a typical libbu. Don't forget that Palestine started this in 1948 by denying UN human rights mandate of self determination. These type of arguments do not work in the modern world with modern people. I am neither left or right so again a pointless classification (but feel free to to waste your time on it). One cannot justify “genocide” (killing over 40k people including children, creating conditions for starvation, etc), irrespective of the religion of the people.
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 @zen Answer one question. In Mahabharat, Why was Karna killed? Before you answer read Rashmirathi. If u cant read it, then give couple of hrs listening to it. You will hear that, Even the reader at point starts crying at injustice to Karna https://youtu.be/EGGc6A9Ly0U I will give u my take why i think he was unethically killed.
zen Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 1 minute ago, mishra said: @zen Answer one question. In Mahabharat, Why was Karna killed? Before you answer read Rashmirathi. If u cant read it, then give couple of hrs listening to it. You will hear that, Even the reader at point starts crying at injustice to Karna https://youtu.be/EGGc6A9Ly0U I will give u my take why i think he was unethically killed. Sure will give it a shot when I am in the mood (as you need to be in the right mood for the subject) to listen to it (Currently reading Upanishads, along with some other books). mishra 1
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 13 minutes ago, mishra said: @zen Answer one question. In Mahabharat, Why was Karna killed? Before you answer read Rashmirathi. If u cant read it, then give couple of hrs listening to it. You will hear that, Even the reader at point starts crying at injustice to Karna https://youtu.be/EGGc6A9Ly0U I will give u my take why i think he was unethically killed. This depiction of Karna by Ramdhari Singh Dinakar is a poetic imagination that is not intended in MoolMahabharat of Vyaas. Karna was dhoorth and was not bigger warrior than Arjun. He was justly killed because he was a aDharmic mishra, singhvivek141 and Lone Wolf 1 2
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This depiction of Karna by Ramdhari Singh Dinakar is a poetic imagination that is not intended in MoolMahabharat of Vyaas. Karna was dhoorth and was not bigger warrior than Arjun. He was justly killed because he was a aDharmic If he was Adharmic, People won’t name their kids as Karna
mishra Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 25 minutes ago, zen said: Sure will give it a shot when I am in the mood (as you need to be in the right mood for the subject) to listen to it (Currently reading Upanishads, along with some other books). This is better version zen 1
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 Just now, mishra said: If he was Adharmic, People won’t name their kids as Karna All thanks to the glorification of his character by modern poets and liyterary figures like RSD. Amazing poetry. Karna was adharmic , so was Bheeshma, Drona and all sided with Duryodhana and were killed rightfully, that's what Mahabharata teaches us. Lone Wolf and singhvivek141 2
Muloghonto Posted January 16, 2025 Posted January 16, 2025 56 minutes ago, zen said: These type of arguments do not work in the modern world with modern people. I am neither left or right so again a pointless classification (but feel free to to waste your time on it). One cannot justify “genocide” (killing over 40k people including children, creating conditions for starvation, etc), irrespective of the religion of the people. They don't work with modernist who is islamist apologist. We know. They are called libbus or leftards. BecUse They do not understand culpability or responsibility. There is no genocide. Since gazas population increased since last year. Try learning meaning of term first, terrorism apologist.
zen Posted January 17, 2025 Posted January 17, 2025 10 hours ago, Muloghonto said: They don't work with modernist who is islamist apologist. We know. They are called libbus or leftards. BecUse They do not understand culpability or responsibility. There is no genocide. Since gazas population increased since last year. Try learning meaning of term first, terrorism apologist. Now that you have made your “blah blah” post, it is time for you to rest on your tree and munch up some bananas!
Lone Wolf Posted January 17, 2025 Posted January 17, 2025 15 hours ago, coffee_rules said: This depiction of Karna by Ramdhari Singh Dinakar is a poetic imagination that is not intended in MoolMahabharat of Vyaas. Karna was dhoorth and was not bigger warrior than Arjun. He was justly killed because he was a aDharmic Karna was a adharmi plain and simple. Otoh Meghnad comes across as a better human, patriotic to the core and a father's ideal son not to mention a warrior who had to be killed unfairly as he was literally unbeatable. Perhaps the most powerful mortal to ever walk on the planet. Tragic hero's defination. ravishingravi, mishra and coffee_rules 2 1
mishra Posted January 17, 2025 Posted January 17, 2025 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Karna was a adharmi plain and simple. Otoh Meghnad comes across as a better human, patriotic to the core and a father's ideal son not to mention a warrior who had to be killed unfairly as he was literally unbeatable. Perhaps the most powerful mortal to ever walk on the planet. Tragic hero's defination. Difference between Ramayan and Mahabharat is , In Ramayan , means to achieve goal was ethical ie Dharma was followed to achieve end goal. In Mahabharat, achieving end goal became more important. Process is secondary. In Kalyug, neither goal nor process but interest becomes important. In better words kalyug means Democracy
Lone Wolf Posted January 17, 2025 Posted January 17, 2025 1 hour ago, mishra said: Difference between Ramayan and Mahabharat is , In Ramayan , means to achieve goal was ethical ie Dharma was followed to achieve end goal. In Mahabharat, achieving end goal became more important. Process is secondary. In Kalyug, neither goal nor process but interest becomes important. In better words kalyug means Democracy In Meghnad's case even the ethics were tested to protect Dharama... During the cave when he was performing his devi yajna lord Hanuman, Lakshamana all attacked him unarmed thanks to Vibhishana disclosing its location & still he managed to escape somehow fighting with pots and stuff. Had he managed to complete the ritual not even Gods could defeat him as he was a complete warrior whom Lord Rama himself wasn't able to tame in their first clash. Of course we know as per Hindu texts the calibre of warriors went down with each yuga so killing Karna was much easier compared to Drona and Bhishma. My point was that Karna was never a saint. He may have redeemable qualities but till the end there was no redemption for him. Only internet made him a hero. He was a Grey character like Duryodhana and Dushanshan coffee_rules 1
mishra Posted January 17, 2025 Posted January 17, 2025 ^ in case of Meghnad, They stopped building of new weapon. Vighna in Yagna. The idea was to not have him new ability. Think that’s ethical during war. Karna case is grey area. Goal was to avoid Mahabhart. He refused on basis of his Friendship Dharma. So goalpost shifted. New goal became end of Duryodhana. Process to achieve became not important.
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