coffee_rules Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Khota said: No he is not. If you recognize homosexual marriage, every other law stays the same. You didn’t watch the video or understand it. We have one marriage law for all and one for Muslims. We n which law should gay marriage be allowed? 10 hours ago, Khota said: Same sex marriage does not affect any other law directly. No laws were changed en masse to accommodate same sex marriage in other countries. Wife and husband are biological genders defined in marriage, property, succession laws defining widow, widower etc. there is no such clear distinction in gay marriage laws! 10 hours ago, Khota said: He is also not a scientist to explain nonbinary individuals. He’s reading from a medical journal and has cited it in the argument. He is not claiming to be a scientist 10 hours ago, Khota said: Which part of India constitution is violated if homosexuals do get married. That is what he needs to address which he did not. Courts don’t make laws, it’s the job of the legislature. Corts interpret laws if it meets constitutional standards. Let legislators work on Gay marriage law and then then it can be challenged in courts. Of all the priorities the government has, Gay marriage is the least of the issues it wants to tackle based on the sheer numbers it affects. We should stop copying the issues of whites and apply it to our society bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, coffee_rules said: You didn’t watch the video or understand it. We have one marriage law for all and one for Muslims. We n which law should gay marriage be allowed? I watched the video and understood it. Gay marriage should be applicable to Indian Law which vast majority of people relate to. 14 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Wife and husband are biological genders defined in marriage, property, succession laws defining widow, widower etc. there is no such clear distinction in gay marriage laws! That should have no bearing. It is for individual to state whether he is male etc. Edited October 19, 2023 by Khota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 11 hours ago, coffee_rules said: He’s reading from a medical journal and has cited it in the argument. He is not claiming to be a scientist If he is citing any reputable journal, that would be full of sympathy for this group. His tone was a mocking one rather than that of sympathy. 11 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Courts don’t make laws, it’s the job of the legislature. Corts interpret laws if it meets constitutional standards. Let legislators work on Gay marriage law and then then it can be challenged in courts. Of all the priorities the government has, Gay marriage is the least of the issues it wants to tackle based on the sheer numbers it affects. We should stop copying the issues of whites and apply it to our society We all understand that. If he agrees with the science that there are groups of people who are in this category than Indian Constitution protects them. Court job was to tell the legislature that they should be allowed to marry. Not to make the law. There are so many legal precedence to my statement and not one legal argument from the lawyer. All hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Unfortunately, Supreme Courts have become political too. Gay people will get their rights, but it will take decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikrulz Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Removing the "Criminal" aspect was a step in the right direction. But sadly it won't go any further than that. Neither political parties would want to upset their Fanatical base. Its all about appeasement and "Numbers" game. Having a LGBT friendly laws is always beneficial for the Country's Tourism Industry and economy as a whole. Not to forget the booming Surrogacy and Adoption needs which our country happens to be in the Surplus for. Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 12:28 AM, Khota said: If homosexuality is not a crime, why oppose marriage. What legal reason did they give? And government has no business appointing judges. Why you need marriage? Isn’t marriage a religious thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFish11 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion! Appreciate the insights, everyone. There might be other people saying the quality of this forum sucks, and there are just 3-4 hindutvas circle jerking each other on every post without any meaningful discussions, but trust me I learn a lot here. Jai Hind Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, BigFish11 said: Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion! Appreciate the insights, everyone. There might be other people saying the quality of this forum sucks, and there are just 3-4 hindutvas circle jerking each other on every post without any meaningful discussions, but trust me I learn a lot here. Jai Hind Good . Will help if u contribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 7:28 PM, Khota said: If homosexuality is not a crime, why oppose marriage. What legal reason did they give? And government has no business appointing judges. That's the crux of the problem. Government doesn't appoint judges in India. It is a Collegium (a club SC judges) who appoint all judges in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_system It should be the Govt and ratified by the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha as is done in most countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 5 hours ago, mishra said: Why you need marriage? Isn’t marriage a religious thing? Under Indian constitution it does not have to be religious. You can go to court and get married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: That's the crux of the problem. Government doesn't appoint judges in India. It is a Collegium (a club SC judges) who appoint all judges in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_system It should be the Govt and ratified by the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha as is done in most countries. That really is the bright spot of India that government does not appoint judges. You don't want 5 judges appointed by Congress or 5 by BJP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BigFish11 said: Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion! Appreciate the insights, everyone. There might be other people saying the quality of this forum sucks, and there are just 3-4 hindutvas circle jerking each other on every post without any meaningful discussions, but trust me I learn a lot here. Jai Hind Part of your statement is true. I can assure you this forum does not suck and there are many good people here. Moderators are very considerate and will work with you. There are few posters who do not like dissent and write as if they are carrying out the acts of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, Khota said: That really is the bright spot of India that government does not appoint judges. You don't want 5 judges appointed by Congress or 5 by BJP. This is what you said and I quote “And government has no business appointing judges.” You didn’t know Govt doesn’t appoint judges , like goras do. You are saying you don’t like the Goras system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This is what you said and I quote “ And government has no business appointing judges.” You didn’t know Govt doesn’t appoint judges , like goras do. You are saying you don’t like the Goras system? You enjoy twisting words. That was my response to a poster suggesting that government should appoint judges. What I like or dislike is not pertinent to this discussion. The issue here is that Homosexuals have been denied the right to get married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Khota said: Under Indian constitution it does not have to be religious. You can go to court and get married. So where did this marriage as concept came into Indian Constitution? From a religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Marriage is fine, but refusing to allow the adoption of children is both cruel and medieval. This decision is solely based on primitive religious beliefs and has no place in the present era. Lord and Khota 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 12 hours ago, coffee_rules said: That's the crux of the problem. Government doesn't appoint judges in India. It is a Collegium (a club SC judges) who appoint all judges in India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_system It should be the Govt and ratified by the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha as is done in most countries. no thanks.we will have a US situation where the the Judges are appointed based on their political leanings. Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 hours ago, mishra said: So where did this marriage as concept came into Indian Constitution? From a religion? From ancient society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, cowboysfan said: no thanks.we will have a US situation where the the Judges are appointed based on their political leanings. They don't understand that. These guys are drunk with power and think it is ok to have 5 judges with the same viewpoint. Indian system in this case is much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, cowboysfan said: no thanks.we will have a US situation where the the Judges are appointed based on their political leanings. Every pillar of democracy has people say , except judiciary in India. There is no accountability and right people don’t get selected as judges. Hence there is so much of corruption and nepotism in the appointment of judges. Even with existing system with pliable judges, they were so political in nature, we got emergency under their blessing and the introduction of A370 was done in similar machinations. We have activist judges giving out sentences like Sabarimala or wronguns to Hindus while others are getting a preferential treatment. We have lakhs of cases pending and there is no accountability of the judiciary or say in that department by either legislation or government. Edited October 20, 2023 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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