bharathh Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Thoughts? Personally I feel that all Indians should have the same rights to marry and adopt children regardless of their orientation. Still, I feel that as a society we are not yet ready for same sex marriage. Maybe try again in a few years. Still some positive steps towards decriminialising homosexuality. I6MTW and BacktoCricaddict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Not the same yardstick for all societies, some are India specific. India doesn't allow domestic partnership for opposite sex . SC is rght. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 In any case, why should any govt have anything to do with marriage? Marriage is between 2 people. From a US-centric perspective, my take has always been that the Govt should scrap all tax benefits etc that come with marriage and get out of the marriage business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 I would disagree a little on the marriage bit. I think marriage is a binding force for families. Family is the nucleus for society. Without that (IMO) society falls apart. I think the African Americans are case in point for this. Through incentivising marriage the govt ensures a healthier society. In fact, when the govt tries to meddle with families as the Chinese did they end up causing adverse issues to society. Most of EU and NA is going through similar issues as fertility rates have been plummeting leading to a ticking time bomb. User30786 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Regressive as expected. I6MTW and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, bharathh said: Thoughts? Personally I feel that all Indians should have the same rights to marry and adopt children regardless of their orientation. Still, I feel that as a society we are not yet ready for same sex marriage. Maybe try again in a few years. Still some positive steps towards decriminialising homosexuality. Right to marry. I am not sure. We are not there yet and that should not be north star anyway. Decriminalization is the first major step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 What is difficult for Indian society to digest: Homosexual pairs living together and having sex? Or marriage? If Indian society already allowed homosexuals to live together, then there would have been no problem if they marry too. In my opinion, today it was only a POLITICAL decision from SC. It happened due to the political stance of the BJP. And the argument that the society is not ready for marriage, is only a lame excuse. Homosexual pairs are also not allowed to adopt children. This is again a bad decision. Unfortunately, there is hardly any difference in the way of thinking of different radical religious groups, whether they are radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Jews, or radical Hindus. Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Terrible decision. Where in the constitution does it say that homosexuals don't have equal rights. Instead of taking the country forward they are doing the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Lord said: Regressive as expected. I think west has took a bit far with this. I see articles where the kids are taken to LGBTQ parades where naked people perform which is bad. This has been getting a bit of push back in west. India doesn’t has to copy west. I think we need to read the whole judgement before complaining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Just now, gattaca said: I think west has took a bit far with this. I see articles where the kids are taken to LGBTQ parades where naked people perform which is bad. This has been getting a bit of push back in west. India doesn’t has to copy west. I think we need to read the whole judgement before complaining about it. Yeah no need to copy all that. But relationship between two consenting adults should not bother anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 1 minute ago, Lord said: Yeah no need to copy all that. But relationship between two consenting adults should not bother anyone. I think that is what has been accomplished today. What has not is the legalization of marriage and adoption which has huge ramifications in the law. In a country where different religions have different civil codes - it's not something that can just be granted. Lord and ravishingravi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, gattaca said: I think west has took a bit far with this. I see articles where the kids are taken to LGBTQ parades where naked people perform which is bad. This has been getting a bit of push back in west. India doesn’t has to copy west. I think we need to read the whole judgement before complaining about it. From what I read there was no explanation offered. Seems like a political 3-2 decision. Only thing I can praise the court for is that they went out of way to protect homosexuality. Still a terrible decision. Edited October 17 by Khota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 5 minutes ago, Khota said: From what I read there was no explanation offered. Seems like a political 3-2 decision. Only thing I can praise the court for is that they went out of way to protect homosexuality. Still a terrible decision. Political ? Supreme Court has all left leaning judges. It is very clear from recent judgments they have given. They keep opposing the govt in appointing judges. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: What is difficult for Indian society to digest: Homosexual pairs living together and having sex? Or marriage? If Indian society already allowed homosexuals to live together, then there would have been no problem if they marry too. In my opinion, today it was only a POLITICAL decision from SC. It happened due to the political stance of the BJP. And the argument that the society is not ready for marriage, is only a lame excuse. Homosexual pairs are also not allowed to adopt children. This is again a bad decision. Unfortunately, there is hardly any difference in the way of thinking of different radical religious groups, whether they are radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Jews, or radical Hindus. Lol you have no idea. BJP doesn’t give decisions. This is Supreme Court. This is not Pakistan we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 16 minutes ago, gattaca said: Lol you have no idea. BJP doesn’t give decisions. This is Supreme Court. This is not Pakistan we are talking about. Comparing Secular India to Muslim Pakistan and then putting the burden of Muslim Pakistani crimes and flaws on my shoulders is a futile practice. And the reality of Secular India is that the BJP has already infiltrated all State Institutions, making them weak by using them for political reasons. Yes, SC and Indian Defence Forces are perhaps the last State Institutions, which seem to be free of this infiltration. Anyhow, not all SC judges are free of influence by the BJP. en I still doubt that this is perhaps a political decision by 3-2 , while it does not fit merit (as I stated above if living together and having sex is permissible, then marriage should not be a problem). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 To all calling this a regressive step, listen to the arguments against the marriage, it has repercussions to the way marriages are defined and used in property laws, succession etc. Consenting adults can fcuk around all they want legally now, but so many laws need to be amended to give them same rights for marriage and adoption. Also, the west is more prepared with domestic partnerships clauses even without marriage between opposite sex (live-in) . The volume of people affected by this refusal is minuscule in India to make it a national outrage. Let’s get all rapists indicted first.There are more worrying aspects of our society. ravishingravi and bharathh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 This, ladies and gentlemen, this was the precise moment when the attitude toward same-sex marriage changed completely in the Supreme Court of India.SG Tushar Mehta went nuclear against Gender Ideology.This should be made a mandatory watch in law schools across the country. pic.twitter.com/LTFAOQCFBk— Sensei Kraken Zero (@YearOfTheKraken) October 17, 2023 ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 2 hours ago, Lord said: Yeah no need to copy all that. But relationship between two consenting adults should not bother anyone. I believe this is what has been achieved. How is this regressive ? Regressive by definition means something has regressed from past position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: To all calling this a regressive step, listen to the arguments against the marriage, it has repercussions to the way marriages are defined and used in property laws, succession etc. Consenting adults can fcuk around all they want legally now, but so many laws need to be amended to give them same rights for marriage and adoption. Also, the west is more prepared with domestic partnerships clauses even without marriage between opposite sex (live-in) . The volume of people affected by this refusal is minuscule in India to make it a national outrage. Let’s get all rapists indicted first.There are more worrying aspects of our society. Yeah legality of the relationship or legal recognition is a very complex matter. Especially in India where you have different marriage lawd by religion. First get UCC and then bring this under it's ambit. Anyway for me marriage was not the immediate goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 5 hours ago, gattaca said: Political ? Supreme Court has all left leaning judges. It is very clear from recent judgments they have given. They keep opposing the govt in appointing judges. If homosexuality is not a crime, why oppose marriage. What legal reason did they give? And government has no business appointing judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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