It will be a travesty if India don't win this World Cup

[rangeelaraja]

2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Today both classify as “middle income”

per official definition. A difference of 50% is nominal and nothing to speak of.

It’s an irrelevant discussion what will happen in future. We’ll see.

 

False again.  Per capita of India ~2610 vs Pak ~1470.....is almost 80 % not 50 % .   Why do you always try and sneak in false facts ?

 

I use wiki because it has citations. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#Table

 

Given the massive difference in growth trajectory it also means... well within 2030...per capita GDP of an Indian will be 2x that of a Pakistani. 

 

And by 2047 : 4-5X. 

 

All this is assuming the PKR won't collapse terribly ...since we are talking nominal USD GDP per capita.

 

Chances of PKR collapsing are actually a lot.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

12 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Look I am not trashing India. 

I am being straightforward. $2200 GDP per capita is nothing to be impressed about. India has so much potential. They should stay humble and aim for crossing $15k, which would be considered an achievement. 
Based on textbook definition, GDP per capita over $1036 is considered middle income country. So on their definition, both Pak and India are “middle income”. This is a BS definition. The nominal difference of 30%-50% does not explain the performance in cricket. India just has better infrastructure and pathway programs in place. 

 

Pakistan has awesome highways and road network. If you visited Lahore, Islamabad, you will be surprised by the development in those cities. CPEC investments by Chinese sugar daddies of $30B in just decade have added world class power plants and transmission network completely eradicating power shortages, the construction of 510 kilometers of highways, and the expansion of the national transmission network by 886 kilometers. 
 

Terrorism is a rarity. Terror events are down 98% since it’s peak in 2006. 
 

The Indian railway network was built by the British sugar daddies. The real plunderers of India who don’t get any tough love from RSS and they’re hypnoties.

 

Which rail network are we talking about ?

Most of the rail lines left by Britishers were single unelectrified section.

India has so far

1. Completed Konkan Railways (one of the most challenging terrain entire western ghats).

2. Completed Kashmir railways and on the verge of linking Jammu & Kashmir Valley by 2025

3. On the verge of completing DFC's which will segregate Passenger trains traffic from goods train..there by speeding up the logistics movement across the country.

4. Completed the gauge conversion from MG/NG to Broad Gauge across the country

5. Metro expansion in cities of Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Nagpur, Hyderabad, Bengaluru etc 

6. Doubling, Tripling & Quadrupling of major rail network along with electrification

 

British left almost same % of rail lines in Pakistan as well (considering the size of both countries). India is now producing the self made trains which are capable of producing higher acceleration without need of engines courtesy of Multiple Units.

 

I know these all might not make sense to you because your media is still stuck lurking into Indian Toilets, but as an Indian we have seen these changes happening in last decade or so.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

56 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

False again.  Per capita of India ~2610 vs Pak ~1470.....is almost 80 % not 50 % .   Why do you always try and sneak in false facts ?

 

I use wiki because it has citations. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#Table

 

Given the massive difference in growth trajectory it also means... well within 2030...per capita GDP of an Indian will be 2x that of a Pakistani. 

 

And by 2047 : 4-5X. 

 

All this is assuming the PKR won't collapse terribly ...since we are talking nominal USD GDP per capita.

 

Chances of PKR collapsing are actually a lot.

 

 

GDP per capita projections vary based on the statistical service.

 

Also, it’s a waste of time comparing GDP per capita in 2047.

[deathmonger]

9 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Bhai in 3487, it will be $1 Trillion.

kuch bhi 

Cope karne ke liye bole kuch bhi.

 

My numbers are from population growth numbers and gdp growth numbers.

 

Pakistan's pc growth rate is 2% over the last 30 years. India's is 5.5%.

 

You might say that these numbers might change etc. But economic growth isn't magic (like sporting excellence). It requires structure.

 

Pakistan has always had low investment and savings rate which has led it to be a low growth country and that will not change. Land reforms that took place in India in the 1950s never took place in Pakistan, hence crippling the economy.

 

You can keep on coping but India will keep on diverging throughout your lifetime.

 

A lot of Pakistanis will die bitter envious old people. It's going to be sweet.

Edited November 1, 2023 by deathmonger

[deathmonger]

9 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Today both classify as “middle income”

per official definition. A difference of 50% is nominal and nothing to speak of.

It’s an irrelevant discussion what will happen in future. We’ll see.

It is not 50%. It is 77%.

 

You are a habitual liar.

 

This is the latest IMF data - https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/IND/PAK

 

And it is "something to speak of"

 

Pakistan's GDP per capita is less than what it was in 2015.

 

Pakistan's GDP pc growth rate has hovered around 2% for the last 30 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_per_capita_growth_rate).

 

Even if we take an optimistic 2.5% that will take Pakistan 25 years to reach where India is NOW.

[deathmonger]

6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

False again.  Per capita of India ~2610 vs Pak ~1470.....is almost 80 % not 50 % .   Why do you always try and sneak in false facts ?

 

I use wiki because it has citations. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#Table

 

Given the massive difference in growth trajectory it also means... well within 2030...per capita GDP of an Indian will be 2x that of a Pakistani. 

 

And by 2047 : 4-5X. 

 

All this is assuming the PKR won't collapse terribly ...since we are talking nominal USD GDP per capita.

 

Chances of PKR collapsing are actually a lot.

 

 

Actually it is already 2X.

 

They are using the old exchange rate before PKR collapsed.

 

Pakistan's GDP per capita in PKR 365641.325 which is USD 1300.75 by today's exchange rate

 

India's GDP per capita is INR  210729.989 which is USD 2530.05 by today's exchange rate.

 

That is 1.94X.

 

Pakistan doesn't free float their currency against the USD so it is artificially appreciated. That's why they have steep falls.

 

Due to low economic growth rates and currency depreciation, Pakistan's per capita income is less than what they had in 2012.

 

This is the data - https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2023/October/weo-report?c=534,564,&s=NGDPPC,NGDPDPC,&sy=2021&ey=2028&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=subject&ds=.&br=1

 

 

 

 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

6 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Cope karne ke liye bole kuch bhi.

 

My numbers are from population growth numbers and gdp growth numbers.

 

Pakistan's pc growth rate is 2% over the last 30 years. India's is 5.5%.

 

You might say that these numbers might change etc. But economic growth isn't magic (like sporting excellence). It requires structure.

 

Pakistan has always had low investment and savings rate which has led it to be a low growth country and that will not change. Land reforms that took place in India in the 1950s never took place in Pakistan, hence crippling the economy.

 

You can keep on coping but India will keep on diverging throughout your lifetime.

 

A lot of Pakistanis will die bitter envious old people. It's going to be sweet.

Again, lack of direction and due diligence is hurting your analysis.

Pakistan has seen decades of 8%+ growth.

Structural issues exist in balance of payments, but these are not unaddressable. There is a lot that can happen/change in 30 years.
 

Brazil, South Africa have been touted as being on brink of being “failed states” as well. 

In any case, your claim was not about the future.

Your claim was about today.
but when we examined the facts, the GDP per capita is nothing exceptional to speak of. Nor is it substantially higher. It doesn’t explain anything about so called superb performances in cricket.

The same fans here were crying on their team last 2 T20 World Cup exist. 

No medals, no trophies in cricket for decade and counting. 1 gold medal in Olympics.

not trashing India. Eat a humble pie. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Sharjah-Harjah

[Sharjah-Harjah]

6 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Actually it is already 2X.

 

They are using the old exchange rate before PKR collapsed.

 

Pakistan's GDP per capita in PKR 365641.325 which is USD 1300.75 by today's exchange rate

 

India's GDP per capita is INR  210729.989 which is USD 2530.05 by today's exchange rate.

 

That is 1.94X.

 

Pakistan doesn't free float their currency against the USD so it is artificially appreciated. That's why they have steep falls.

 

Due to low economic growth rates and currency depreciation, Pakistan's per capita income is less than what they had in 2012.

 

This is the data - https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2023/October/weo-report?c=534,564,&s=NGDPPC,NGDPDPC,&sy=2021&ey=2028&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=subject&ds=.&br=1

 

 

 

 

Okays it’s 2x. So what? It doesn’t change anything. 

[Norman]

Paxtanis sermoning India on economy, Sports, Olympic medals and GDP. The lack of self awareness is honestly mind numbing lol. 

 

It's like a gutter pig lecturing a polar bear on hygiene and cleanliness... 

[deathmonger]

19 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Again, lack of direction and due diligence is hurting your analysis.

Pakistan has seen decades of 8%+ growth.

Structural issues exist in balance of payments, but these are not unaddressable. There is a lot that can happen/change in 30 years.
 

Brazil, South Africa have been touted as being on brink of being “failed states” as well. 

In any case, your claim was not about the future.

Your claim was about today.
but when we examined the facts, the GDP per capita is nothing exceptional to speak of. Nor is it substantially higher. It doesn’t explain anything about so called superb performances in cricket.

The same fans here were crying on their team last 2 T20 World Cup exist. 

No medals, no trophies in cricket for decade and counting. 1 gold medal in Olympics.

not trashing India. Eat a humble pie. 

 

Lies, lies more lies.

 

1. Pakistan has NEVER had 8% growth over a decade EVER. Show me sources brother.

 

Nothing is going to change. Issue is in the very structure and formation of Pakistan itself. As long as military is so strong, Pak economy will never flourish.

 

India's GDP per capita is double that of Pak's. That is SUBSTANTIALLY higher.

 

2. Both Brazil and South Africa are ALREADY way richer than Pakistan is. SA is HDI 0.713 and per capita income $6500. Brazil is HDI 0.754 and per capita income $10673. Pakistan is HDI 0.544 and per capita income $1471. Pakistan will require AT LEAST 30 years to get to where SA is NOW. AT LEAST 50 years to get to where Brazil is NOW.

Please don't tag your failed state with them.

 

3. T20 WCs are tukka. India has the best W/L ratio in all formats. The BGT 21 is bigger than any Pakistan achievement EVER, in any field. Remember, test cricket is OLDER than the state of Pakistan.

 

Pakistan HAS NOT WON a single medal in Olympics in the last 30 years. Largest populated country to not medal in last 7 CONSECUTIVE Olympics. For a country of 240 million, to not even get a bronze is SHAMEFUL. Pakistan's contingent size is in the SINGLE DIGITs and mostly wildcards and not qualified.

 

The Indian state of Haryana has won more individual medals in the last Olympics than Pakistan has in it's ENTIRE HISTORY COMBINED.

 

Forget Olympics, let's go a level lower. Let's see Asian Games. Pakistan has not won a single GOLD in the last two editions. Only reason they won gold in 2014 is due to women's cricket and India not participating. Pakistan was BELOW Afghanistan this edition. Ojas Pravin Deotale won MORE medals than the entire Pakistani contingent this time.

 

You should have humble pie when talking to Indians, who are your superiors.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by deathmonger

[deathmonger]

15 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Okays it’s 2x. So what? It doesn’t change anything. 

2x plus growing.

 

Add in the 5.5x population advantage and that means India is greater than Pakistan by orders of magnitude.

 

Lots of envy and heartburn for Pakistanis as India forges ahead.

 

There was lot of crying and souls-searching due to Chandrayaan.

 

More and more of these moments are coming throughout your (and other Pakistani's) lifetime.

[deathmonger]

Pakistan GDP - 303 billion USD with 240 million people - 0.544 HDI

 

Maharashtra GDP - 486 billion USD with 120 million people - 0.688 HDI

Tamil Nadu GDP - 354 billion USD with 80 million people - 0.738 HDI

Karnataka GDP - 322 billion USD with 70 million people - 0.706 HDI

Gujarat GDP - 321 billion USD with 70 million people - 0.638 HDI

 

HDI Bihar - 0.571 (lowest)

HDI Pak Punjab - 0.550 (highest)

 

 

 

 

 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

1 hour ago, deathmonger said:

Pakistan GDP - 303 billion USD with 240 million people - 0.544 HDI

 

Maharashtra GDP - 486 billion USD with 120 million people - 0.688 HDI

Tamil Nadu GDP - 354 billion USD with 80 million people - 0.738 HDI

Karnataka GDP - 322 billion USD with 70 million people - 0.706 HDI

Gujarat GDP - 321 billion USD with 70 million people - 0.638 HDI

 

HDI Bihar - 0.571 (lowest)

HDI Pak Punjab - 0.550 (highest)

 

 

 

 

 

Source?

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Source?

 

https://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/index2.asp

 

https://prsindia.org/budgets/states/maharashtra-budget-analysis-2023-24

https://prsindia.org/budgets/states/tamil-nadu-budget-analysis-2023-24

https://prsindia.org/budgets/states/karnataka-budget-analysis-2023-24

https://prsindia.org/budgets/states/gujarat-budget-analysis-2023-24

 

 

 

 

[deathmonger]

15 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Source?

HDI

 

https://globaldatalab.org/shdi/table/shdi/IND/?levels=1+4&interpolation=0&extrapolation=0

https://globaldatalab.org/shdi/table/shdi/PAK/?levels=1+4&interpolation=0&extrapolation=0

 

[Vijy]

On 10/31/2023 at 9:32 PM, SRT100 said:

The biggest issue with India's impressive tournament to date is that from this position, only winning the WC will be considered acceptable.

 

In many ways by performing beyond expectations, anything short of winning the WC will now be considered a failure.

 

I still do not believe India's has played at its maximum potential, I also believe that the batting is very suspect.

 

Interesting two weeks in Indian Cricket coming up.

batting is indeed still untested in KOs

[Mariyam]

This Indian team, in these conditions, is the absolute best ever cricket team. This level of domination is unheard of.

 

If one were to assemble a rest of the world XI and play this team, we’d chase in 30 overs or win by 150 runs. 
 

If one were to assemble an all time Rest of the World ( plus past India) team also this Indian team would win 9 out of 10 times. 
 

I’d be  if we don’t win the World Cup. 
But we will win the World Cup.

 

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

This Indian team, in these conditions, is the absolute best ever cricket team. This level of domination is unheard of.

 

If one were to assemble a rest of the world XI and play this team, we’d chase in 30 overs or win by 150 runs. 
 

If one were to assemble an all time Rest of the World ( plus past India) team also this Indian team would win 9 out of 10 times. 
 

I’d be  if we don’t win the World Cup. 
But we will win the World Cup.

 

yes, we have comfortably been the best. I hope that we keep it up for the 2 KO matches

[SRT100]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

batting is indeed still untested in KOs

Agree.

 

Great result last night, but there was zero pressure/stress on the batsmen.

Sudden death knock out game is going to be interesting.