Our TM and Selectors should observe what happens when three 140 k+ specialist pacers bowl skilfully in tandem

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Rightarmfast said:

Can be. Definitely. But why play them when you have a pool of 147/148 k bowlers who are deadly themselves? 

Have been hearing Laxman will be taking over as Head coach after Dravid and he being from SRH camp so the connection and SRH has not released Bhuvi as well

[Rightarmfast]

46 minutes ago, saneindian said:

Tweak the title a little bit "...what happens when three 140 k+ skillful specialist pacers bowl skillfully in tandem"

 

The pre-requisite is skillful bowlers who bowl 140+. Most of our young pacers who can 140+ are some ways away from being at the required level of 'skillful', primarily because of lack of FC/domestic cricket. Ideally with that pace alone, they should be blowing away weaker domestic oppositions. But even that is not happening. It can;t just be about bad pitches or disinterested coaches, as seems to be the discussion most of the times on the pace bowlers thread.

 

Good thing is many of them, are in 21-23 years range, with a full FC season and some A cricket, hopefully a couple from this pool can be ready for international cricket, in case of Umran and Tyagi, re-ready for international cricket. 

Nobody is born a Wasim Akram. People learn with time. Perfection doesnt exist and we cant keep waiting for perfection. If they have the pace, and are decent, just throw them in. Atleast keep them involved and motivated. The way the TM is ignoring the fast bowlers, it will only kill their passion.

Look at what happened to Nagarkotti. Look at what happened to Mavi. Too much of nonsensical stress to bowl slow. We wasted these talents. 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

I think the writing is clear on the wall. TM doesnt want to play quick bowlers because it just takes away the chance to push the sifareeshi bowlers. Just too much of politics at play.

If anybody else, Ajit Agarkar knows the importance of speed. With the tiny and wiry frame he had, he used to generate skiddy pace and that helped him no end. 

 

Having a 130k's swing bowler, instead of a bowler capable of 150k's is like playing Sanjay Manjrekar over Virender Sehwag. Just for some stupid logic that you need to defend the ball! This is India's moment and if they want to be remembered as a team that was as ruthless as WI of 80's, they need to unleash the express bowlers and give them instructions to go all out. Bowlers like Bumrah and Siraj will be there to take the wickets.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

 

 

Having a 130k's swing bowler, instead of a bowler capable of 150k's is like playing Sanjay Manjrekar over Virender Sehwag. Just for some stupid logic that you need to defend the ball!  Siraj will be there to take the wickets.

 

 

A very apt example RAFbhai.

[express bowling]

During IPL 2022, Umran Malik displayed quite a few skills.

 

1)  Attacked the stumps consistently and the batsmen had to play him. 

2)  Really good seam position

3)  Very skiddy off the deck

4)  Used surprise bouncers instead of bouncer barrages. And this was in line with his round arm action and low release point.

5)  Did all of the above at 143 k to 153 k.

 

Someone needed to tell him to just keep doing this as this approach suited his strengths while masking his weaknesses. Just a little bit of movement was all that he had to add. 

 

But he was used as an enforcer and told to bowl short ball barrages. And this did not suit him as he has a round arm action with a low release point.

 

Even if no one told him to do this, upon seeing seeing him do this, the bowling coach should have guided him back to his 2022 IPL bowling style.

 

Often, with a rookie pacer, it's a matter of guiding him regarding a bowling style which suits him and he will look skilful. 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, saneindian said:

Tweak the title a little bit "...what happens when three 140 k+ skillful specialist pacers bowl skillfully in tandem"

 

The pre-requisite is skillful bowlers who bowl 140+. Most of our young pacers who can 140+ are some ways away from being at the required level of 'skillful', primarily because of lack of FC/domestic cricket. Ideally with that pace alone, they should be blowing away weaker domestic oppositions. But even that is not happening. It can;t just be about bad pitches or disinterested coaches, as seems to be the discussion most of the times on the pace bowlers thread.

 

Let's go by the definition & understand whom the bowlers are actually "bullying" in domestics.

 

1. Mukesh Kumar : Averages 21.xx in FC, great stats. But averages 35 & 33 in List A & T20's...yet is selected for all 3 teams in India. His Teammate Akashdeep is as good as him in FC & much much better than List A & T20's...why he was ignored for an inferior stats bowler ?

 

2. Jaydev Unadkut : Averages great in all 2 formats in domestics, living legend. Plays for India and averages 77 in Tests..falls flat while bowling long spells and had zero accuracy, speed or control. His team mate Chetan Sakariya is another who has very good stats..fall flat in international.

 

3. Siddharth Kaul : Living legend, averages under 25 in all 3 domestic formats, a bona-fide certainty for international success. Plays 3 ODI's for India, no wickets & leak runs at an economy of 6.6+...

 

There are numerous other examples like R Vinay Kumar, Sandeep Sharma, Abhimanyu Mithun, Ashok Dinda, Dhawal Kulkarni, Avesh Khan etc. who has astronomical stats in domestics, but fell flat badly in Internationals. 

 

So while what you're saying must happen..but its not always 100% true. From the names above, some even have better domestic stats than Zaheer, Srinath & Bumrah...but you know very well how their career shaped by.

 

From the next gen Fast bowlers

1. Likes of Prasidh Krishna, Harshit Rana have good stats in FC..

2. Sen, Hangargekar & Tyagi has good stats in List A.

3. Mayank has excellent stats in all 3 formats.

4. Umran has good stats in T20's

 

So the hype isn't all together a fallacy.

[dilliboy]

Where is the news coming from that we are going back to Bhuvi? How does he get into the side ahead of any of the pacers we have in our squad (including Prasiddh)?

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Can be. Definitely. But why play them when you have a pool of 147/148 k bowlers who are deadly themselves? 

Only if they can be accurate and have variety. 148K straight will not get you wickets.