Our TM and Selectors should observe what happens when three 140 k+ specialist pacers bowl skilfully in tandem

[express bowling]

Indian pace bowling has been absolutely sensational and destructive in the Asia Cup 2023 and World Cup 2023. Even more so when Shami has replaced Shardul in the team and we have the 3 specialist quicks, Bumrah, Siraj and Shami bowling in tandem and bowling skilfully at 140 k+. Prasidh contributed in the Asia Cup.

 

No one is able to play them.  And this is because all 3 specialist quicks are combining 140 k+ pace, zip off the deck, consistent movement, decent bounce and accuracy.

 

Indians have always had accurate pacers swinging the ball, right from the early 1980s. But we never had a deadly pace attack. What has improved, since 2016, is a group of pacers moving the ball accurately but at 140 k+ instead of around 130 k. And the Indian pace attack has transformed. The biggest results being 2 Test Series Wins IN Australia and 1 Drawn series IN England, which we would have won if not for the postponement. 

 

When Bumrah and Prasidh were injured, Team India could have used this opportunity to groom the next gen 140 k+ pacers and help them add skills. But we saw Mukesh Kumar, Unadkat, Bhuvi, Harshal, Arshdeep, Chahar, Mavi ... a bunch of medium pacers playing ... often 2 or 3 such pacers played together. Not a single new 140 k+ pacer was groomed. Now there are talks of Bhuvi making a comeback. 

 

The TM and selectors must look to groom the next gen 140 k+ pacers. And promote those new 140 k+ pacers who are displaying more skills.  Expect Mayank Yadav and Harshit Rana to be two such guys in the next 6 months. 

 

We can never have a vicious pace attack, like the current one, if we start choosing medium pacers again after this WC.

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by express bowling

[LordPrabhzy]

The fact they are going back to Bhuvi shows that they have no succession plan for a genuin 140K+ pacer to repave Bumrah and Shami in the pipeline

[vishalvirsingh]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Indian pace bowling has been absolutely sensational and destructive in the Asia Cup 2023 and World Cup 2023. Even more so when Shami has replaced Shardul in the team and we have the 3 specialist quicks, Bumrah, Siraj and Shami bowling in tandem and bowling skilfully at 140 k+. Prasidh contributed in the Asia Cup.

 

No one is able to play them.  And this is because all 3 specialist quicks are combining 140 k+ pace, zip off the deck, consistent movement, decent bounce and accuracy.

 

Indians have always had accurate pacers swinging the ball, right from the early 1980s. But we never had a deadly pace attack. What has improved, since 2016, is a group of pacers moving the ball accurate but at 140 k+ instead of around 130 k. And the Indian pace attack has transformed. The biggest results being 2 Test Series Wins IN Australia and 1 Drawn series IN England, which we would have won if not for the postponement. 

 

When Bumrah and Prasidh were injured, Team India could have used this opportunity to groom the next gen 140 k+ pacers and help them add skills. But we saw Mukesh Kumar, Unadkat, Bhuvi, Harshal, Arshdeep, Chahar, Mavi ... a bunch of medium pacers playing ... often 2 or 3 such pacers played together. Not a single new 140 k+ pacer was groomed. Now there are talks of Bhuvi making a comeback. 

 

The TM and selectors must look to groom the next gen 140bk+ pacers. And promote those new 140 k+ pacers who are displaying more skills.  Expect Mayank Yadav and Hardhit Rana to be two such guys in the next 6 months. 

 

We can never have a vicious pace attack, like the current one, if we start choosing medium pacers again after this WC.

 

Chotte  chotte cricket fans ko bhi samajh mein aa Gaya hain ki genuine pace and accuracy combined can be so brutal.

Let's see if Ajit n team can identify the next 3 after the top 3

[vishalvirsingh]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Indian pace bowling has been absolutely sensational and destructive in the Asia Cup 2023 and World Cup 2023. Even more so when Shami has replaced Shardul in the team and we have the 3 specialist quicks, Bumrah, Siraj and Shami bowling in tandem and bowling skilfully at 140 k+. Prasidh contributed in the Asia Cup.

 

No one is able to play them.  And this is because all 3 specialist quicks are combining 140 k+ pace, zip off the deck, consistent movement, decent bounce and accuracy.

 

Indians have always had accurate pacers swinging the ball, right from the early 1980s. But we never had a deadly pace attack. What has improved, since 2016, is a group of pacers moving the ball accurate but at 140 k+ instead of around 130 k. And the Indian pace attack has transformed. The biggest results being 2 Test Series Wins IN Australia and 1 Drawn series IN England, which we would have won if not for the postponement. 

 

When Bumrah and Prasidh were injured, Team India could have used this opportunity to groom the next gen 140 k+ pacers and help them add skills. But we saw Mukesh Kumar, Unadkat, Bhuvi, Harshal, Arshdeep, Chahar, Mavi ... a bunch of medium pacers playing ... often 2 or 3 such pacers played together. Not a single new 140 k+ pacer was groomed. Now there are talks of Bhuvi making a comeback. 

 

The TM and selectors must look to groom the next gen 140bk+ pacers. And promote those new 140 k+ pacers who are displaying more skills.  Expect Mayank Yadav and Hardhit Rana to be two such guys in the next 6 months. 

 

We can never have a vicious pace attack, like the current one, if we start choosing medium pacers again after this WC.

 

Chotte  chotte cricket fans ko bhi samajh mein aa Gaya hain ki genuine pace and accuracy combined can be so brutal.

Let's see if Ajit n team can identify the next 3 after the top 3

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Chotte  chotte cricket fans ko bhi samajh mein aa Gaya hain ki genuine pace and accuracy combined can be so brutal.

Let's see if Ajit n team can identify the next 3 after the top 3

 

 

Big test for Agarkar after the WC is over.

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Chotte  chotte cricket fans ko bhi samajh mein aa Gaya hain ki genuine pace and accuracy combined can be so brutal.

Let's see if Ajit n team can identify the next 3 after the top 3

Tbh...no.

If you see the comments below the articles in SM of potential Bhuvi's comeback...most of the folks are commending like "swing king is back" and also cursing why we have selected Prasidh above him. Such comments have likes in hundreds.

 

Some of those fans are even commenting that Bhuvi should have played ahead of Siraj. 

 

I am unable to understand what's the problem people have, either they don't understand cricket and simple repeat whatever cliches our ex cricketers say on their youtube channel...or there is a PR machinery acting in behind.

 

 

[Khota]

Bhuvi is not all that bad. I agree with OP 100% but a question to the OP? Someone with 130 and accuracy would be very lethal too.

 

I am glad Hardik and Shardul are not playing.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, Khota said:

 a question to the OP? Someone with 130 and accuracy would be very lethal too.

 

 

Only if he is very tall and gets,steep bounce. 

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

and also cursing why we have selected Prasidh above him. Such comments have likes in hundreds.

 

Some of those fans are even commenting that Bhuvi should have played ahead of Siraj. 

 

I am unable to understand what's the problem people have, either they don't understand cricket and simple repeat whatever cliches our ex cricketers say on their youtube channel...or there is a PR machinery acting in behind.

 

 

 

 

If they understand nothing else, they should be able to see that the so called Swing King averages 35+ in ODIs at the fag end of his career while Prasidh averages 25+ and Siraj averages 21+.

 

 

[putrevus]

37 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tbh...no.

If you see the comments below the articles in SM of potential Bhuvi's comeback...most of the folks are commending like "swing king is back" and also cursing why we have selected Prasidh above him. Such comments have likes in hundreds.

 

Some of those fans are even commenting that Bhuvi should have played ahead of Siraj. 

 

I am unable to understand what's the problem people have, either they don't understand cricket and simple repeat whatever cliches our ex cricketers say on their youtube channel...or there is a PR machinery acting in behind.

 

 

Didn't pace experts on here wanted Prasidh to be selected over Shami .

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Didn't pace experts on here wanted Prasidh to be selected over Shami .

Where...in ODI's ?

I think the discussion was always about having Prasidh over Shardul. 

 

T20 is different matter. That's not the strongest format of Shami.

Edited November 9, 2023 by singhvivek141

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Where...in ODI's ?

I think the discussion was always about having Prasidh over Shardul. 

 

T20 is different matter. That's not the strongest format of Shami.

In Tests too for SA series.T20s is not strong suit of Prasidh either.

[singhvivek141]

Just now, putrevus said:

In Tests too for SA series.T20s is not strong suit of Prasidh either.

Ok, I think it should be given a thought.

 

Shami is getting older and Prasidh is also nearing 28. We have to start somewhere looking at the future for next 6-7 years. Shami should be phased out after WTC 2025.

 

SA pitches will suit Prasidh's bowling style.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tbh...no.

If you see the comments below the articles in SM of potential Bhuvi's comeback...most of the folks are commending like "swing king is back" and also cursing why we have selected Prasidh above him. Such comments have likes in hundreds.

 

Some of those fans are even commenting that Bhuvi should have played ahead of Siraj. 

 

I am unable to understand what's the problem people have, either they don't understand cricket and simple repeat whatever cliches our ex cricketers say on their youtube channel...or there is a PR machinery acting in behind.

 

 

Boobie has so many nostalgic fans....  Harshal somehow gets all the blame that Boobie deserved for disastrous performances in ICC events.  

Bhagta hua spinner jibes for Harshal (deserved)  but swing king mera Boobie...  Him & Deepak Chahar have altered Indian fans thinking that they are mythical legends of swing bowling. 

[express bowling]

45 minutes ago, putrevus said:

In Tests too for SA series.T20s is not strong suit of Prasidh either.

 

 

We need a couple of tall bounce bowlers in the squad in tests in SENA. Prasidh is the first pick for this role. 

 

We lost 2 tests in SA and the final test in England, when the pitch flattened out in the 2nd innings and we could not use bounce as a weapon.  

 

Let's not equate the low bounce Asian pitches, which need skiddy pacers, with the more bouncy SENA pitches, which need bouncy pacers.

 

Bumrah is a certainty for any important test.  Prasidh can be the bounce bowler. The 3rd pacer can be chosen based on current form and ability, which is Shami as of now but may change later and become Siraj too.

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Didn't pace experts on here wanted Prasidh to be selected over Shami .

 

For this ODI WC, many people wanted Prasidh in place of Shardul.

 

Choose the final 11 based on current form and ability. 

 

 

[The Realist]

Need a fiery left arm pacer to add variety to the attack.

 

The image of a pumped Ashish Nehra abusing Dhoni at a dropped catch never gets old.

[IndiaWC8311]

It's not as cookie cutter as it seems. These 3 will go down as some of our best. Bumrah and Shami are already top 5 in all time indian ODI fast bowlers

There are several other 140+ bowlers who have failed. Umesh, Varun Aaron, Umran Malik (so far) etc

[Suhaan]

BCCI must first improve the pitches keeping in mind SENA tours and getting ready for WC in SA

Till the time it doesn't happen I don't see them look beyond usual suspects

Big time,pitches need to improve

Thes guys are not getting the purchase out of surfaces they should get

I want these newcomers to have basic idea of fast bowling on good pitches,the learning curve gets short and we have a bunch which can serve us long

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, IndiaWC8311 said:

It's not as cookie cutter as it seems. These 3 will go down as some of our best. Bumrah and Shami are already top 5 in all time indian ODI fast bowlers

There are several other 140+ bowlers who have failed. Umesh, Varun Aaron, Umran Malik (so far) etc

Umesh isn't a failure. He was one of the best pace bowlers for Indian conditions who can generate tremendous reverse swing at 140+ pace.

Umran Malik has a decent stats in both T20 & ODI. 

 

Aaron was doing well till he got injured and had to change his action, then a couple of failures and was discarded. While a bowler gives 100+ runs in ODI and we consider him as leader of pace attack.

Edited November 9, 2023 by singhvivek141