Intersectionality and bizarre alliances / narratives

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

True, I entered the thread to throw in my 0.02 opinion as an atheist. The thread was meandering anyway - there were religion vs religion arguments and religion vs atheism arguments. And my post was germane to the latter point.  Overall, you make interesting points regarding blaming a psychopath/sociopath king (RRC) vs blaming an entire population. More to ponder ...

 

 

 

Fair,but i think we have to look in depth, for not all conquests/wars yeild the same degree of civilian casualties. Take for eg the numerous wars of the Kannauj triangle period - where the Rashtrakuts,Pals & Prathiars literally fought each other to exhaustion for 200 years. Countless battles recorded, yet not a single mention (or archaeological evidence) of cities being devastated - no damage to Kannauj or Gour or Bhinmal or Mannyakheth. Or take the Napoleonic wars - brutal devasting wars economically & a literal black hole for sucking in untold lives of young men, but what happened to Paris, Berlin, Vienna and such ? Nothing ! except for Moscow, very very few cities of the conquered suffered any harm. 

We see the same to be true in most of the Chola wars : little to no urban devastation in their wars, with the notable exception of Anuradhapur. 

 

Islamic conquests have singularly been the worst at this world over, where they utterly devastate cities - even their own fellow muslim cities- through conquest. My theory, is that Islam lacks a concept of state & sees nations/states as personal fiefs of islamic warlords. As such, they lacked concepts of professional armies ( who are defined by a salaried position) and relied on paying their army via loot of the conquered - from Abbasid empire to babur, this has been consistently true. But then again, that too,is a failing of islam.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

i think it would, if this angle was decisively agreed upon as reality. Though given the specificity of this ( Assyrians for eg, didnt go after any other religion in their vast domain, not even the much more prestigious Baal-Marduk religion of Babylonia) i am more inclined to see it similar to how Islam is the kabab-me-haddi in virtually all religious conflicts in the world today and 'play stupid games, get stupid prizes' scenario.

 

Can you expound a bit on why you feel that religious assaults are vastly different from non-religious ones, even if the degree of violence is comparable?

 

Edit: Just saw your above response and I think it is addressed there to a large extent.

Edited November 30, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Can you expound a bit on why you feel that religious assaults are vastly different from non-religious ones, even if the degree of violence is comparable?

 

Edit: Just saw your above response and I think it is addressed there to a large extent.

well what i said is one angle to the religious warfare and applicable only to islam. But in majority how religious wars differ from national/personal wars, is that religious wars rely on demonising the entire civilian community ( those infidels/heretics) and rely on blood libel.  This is true for all crusades (there were more than 20 and not just to the levant, the most hush-hushed crusades are the northern crusades, where germanic teutonic order waged genocide against the pagan baltics) and jihads. 

 

State wars/personal wars often lack this concept and are usually defined by the personality of the conqueror itself. Like, if you read Cato or Cicero, one major reason for Roman senate's disdain for Caesar was his wanton genocide in Gaul - the romans were not interested in religious warfare at that time and as such, saw such bloodshed as too much. The same romans lack this concept and are utterly gleeful at devastating the populace of bulgars and avars (who were pagans at the time) once they turned christian.

 

[Lannister]

On 11/27/2023 at 12:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Naxalites & Maoists say hello.Their kill count is higher than any religious organisation. 

Their death toll is just a fraction of what religious fanatics have committed over human history. Straying from the democratic process led to the rise of authoritarians, typically associated with right-wing ideologies.

[coffee_rules]

34 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Their death toll is just a fraction of what religious fanatics have committed over human history. Straying from the democratic process led to the rise of authoritarians, typically associated with right-wing ideologies.

Yes all those cited were left-wing authoritarians straying from democratic processes. You are not making any sense. 

[Lannister]

On 11/27/2023 at 12:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

The anti human ideals of leftists are all the leftist ideals that conflict with natural human social dynamics such as free trade & wealth accumulation. If your principles go against the dominant behaviour of a species, then by definition its anti-species (for that species). 

The amassing of wealth and the exploitation of fellow humans resonate with your anti-democratic religious doctrines, where a minority holds significant authority over the broader society. Capitalism is an abomination stemming from ideologies akin to religion.

[diga]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes all those cited were left-wing authoritarians straying from democratic processes. You are not making any sense. 

Classic stockholm syndrome.. He is bent upon proving that his abrahamic religion is better 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

Their death toll is just a fraction of what religious fanatics have committed over human history. Straying from the democratic process led to the rise of authoritarians, typically associated with right-wing ideologies.

Prove your claim for any religion not known as christianity or islam, please. India has already had democratic process at the grassroot level for thousands of years.

What is decisive, is that during the time socialism has existed, its been orders of magnitude more successful in mass murdering people than religion has- and that includes savage religions like Islam. This can be cited if you wish. 

 

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

The amassing of wealth and the exploitation of fellow humans resonate with your anti-democratic religious doctrines, where a minority holds significant authority over the broader society. Capitalism is an abomination stemming from ideologies akin to religion.

Capitalism is the natural order of things for all human societies before your deadbeat dad invented entitlement ideology called socialism. So explain to me, why should we chuck that which is natural and beneficial for humanity over something that leads to disaster and is less than 200 year old european ideology.

Whats funny is that your socialism has a far worse track record of democracy than capitalism. So explain to me why we should value this german entitlement ideology.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Muloghonto

[Lannister]

On 11/27/2023 at 9:30 PM, Muloghonto said:

Inter-sectarian warfare has a very simple and consistent definition. It'd be vaishanav vs shaivite vs shakta, hare krishnas vs swaminarayans, theravada vs mahayana etc. type of conflicts. 

So show us evidence of inter-sectarian killings, genocide & evictions in ANY religion not from the desert barbarians. 

As an atheist, why should we care about which god you worship or who you consider your allies? What does that have to do with secular societies?

 

On a related note, which sectarian group do Dalits belong to?

[Lannister]

On 11/27/2023 at 9:30 PM, Muloghonto said:

Besides, given that India's murder rate is comparable to modern western nations, while having 10x lower sexual assaults per capita ( India is not unique in this, almost all Asian countries show this trend in data), i am not too concerned about upper caste violence or violence in Indian soceity at all.

Why be concerned when your faction is the source of all the violence? You're essentially a fascist seeking to exploit societal chaos for personal gain.

[Muloghonto]

8 hours ago, Lannister said:

As an atheist, why should we care about which god you worship or who you consider your allies? What does that have to do with secular societies?

 

On a related note, which sectarian group do Dalits belong to?

 

Dalits can be part of vaishnav, shaiva, shakta, hare krishna or any other group.

Atheist or otherwise, you are obligated to defend your stance else have your position be branded as baseless. Since your claim is all religions are just as bad, i asked you to show us evidence of sectarian violence in any non abrahamic religion for example. You failed. Ergo, your position = shown to be nonsense.

7 hours ago, Lannister said:

Why be concerned when your faction is the source of all the violence? You're essentially a fascist seeking to exploit societal chaos for personal gain.

Again, show us evidence that my faction is the source of all violence. Why are you running away from the fact that leftists have caused far more bloodshed since their existence than any religion has ? Can't own up to facts like the deadbeat dad you worship ?

 

[coffee_rules]

North and East party.

 

[ravishingravi]

Perfect example of intersectional nonsense. They are chanting hindutva sey azadi. Not Islam or Christianity which openly prohibits them ( with death sentence at times ). This is intersectionality. Yes I am might get thrown off the building in a Islamic country but hey they are getting oppressed by fascist Hindutva. Let me not add to the oppression. 

 

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1730481036075872678?t=KX_lnI3jHOSfydMdIVvYXg&s=19

 

I wish we had some genuine hard core leftists who could explain this to us. Perhaps you Mr @Lannister  

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by ravishingravi

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Perfect example of intersectional nonsense. They are chanting hindutva sey azadi. Not Islam or Christianity which openly prohibits them ( with death sentence at times ). This is intersectionality. Yes I am might get thrown off the building in a Islamic country but hey they are getting oppressed by fascist Hindutva. Let me not add to the oppression. 

 

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1730481036075872678?t=KX_lnI3jHOSfydMdIVvYXg&s=19

 

I wish we had some genuine hard core leftists who could explain this to us. Perhaps you Mr @Lannister  

 

 

good. they are outing themselves. Will be easier to keep tabs on them for their anti-national activities.

Just like the Khali-khopris outed themselves during farm riots. We will find out who their funding roots are from their overseas mai-baaps and eliminate that source. 

 

 

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Perfect example of intersectional nonsense. They are chanting hindutva sey azadi. Not Islam or Christianity which openly prohibits them ( with death sentence at times ). This is intersectionality. Yes I am might get thrown off the building in a Islamic country but hey they are getting oppressed by fascist Hindutva. Let me not add to the oppression. 

 

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1730481036075872678?t=KX_lnI3jHOSfydMdIVvYXg&s=19

 

I wish we had some genuine hard core leftists who could explain this to us. Perhaps you Mr @Lannister  

 

Yes it's foolish of them to omit Islam from the chants.

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Yes it's foolish of them to omit Islam from the chants.

Or wise to extend their life expectancy 

[ravishingravi]

Pretty amazing again. A straight forward question cannot be answered by the panel. Hindus have to protect their kind. Protect your children. 

 

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1732152952775639505?t=o4yapZQwYdvMxT-MH9AuYg&s=19

[ravishingravi]

20 hours ago, Lannister said:

Yes it's foolish of them to omit Islam from the chants.

 

Not just foolish but deliberate. Christianity and Islam overtly opposés gays and lesbians. There is no such prescribed opposition in the Hindu religion neither is this one of agenda points.   

[Lannister]

45 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Not just foolish but deliberate. Christianity and Islam overtly opposés gays and lesbians. There is no such prescribed opposition in the Hindu religion neither is this one of agenda points.   

How can you be sure it's deliberate? I'm confident that no homosexuals would willingly choose to fly from the buildings. 

[ravishingravi]

Internet is beautiful. All you have to do is login. This leftist feminist thinks war time rape is sort of okay. 

 

https://twitter.com/Heidi__Matthews/status/1732029225564049821?t=-VL_qcCVbf4MCVQygM1HBw&s=19