India’s biggest mess up?

[Chaos]

Our batting line has Zero left handers in top 6. Jaiswal was a automatic selection for me. We need atleast two left handers in top 6-7. It just messed up bowlers rhythm. Its like bowling to same spot for top 6, retarded selection.

[vvvslaxman]

India has structured their line up in such a way that they have to play near perfect game in every single match. Any disturbance to this pattern can massively cause a performance drop which is exactly what happened in the final. One scenario where India could fail, Australia pushed India to that scenario with relentless attack.  Panauti pitch helped them immensely. On a half decent batting track even Afghanistan bullied Australian bowling. We just wilted all levels.  

 

[Need4Speed]

Additionally..even though it makes you a stronger specialist combination..you cant play with just 5 bowlers..and no batters after 7((practically 6 [half and half]if 6 and 7 are not realible))…

there will definitely be a day when one gets injured or targeted/taken to the cleaners…your fate is sealed then..

this combo also may not work in SENA countries where spinners may not be so useful..

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Need4Speed

[srgadjon]

Also Gill, Kohli, Iyer, Rahul have similar batting style. So the bowlers don't need to change anything. Once they find a certain line and length, they can just keep doing the same thing over and over which is what they want. Probably why sometimes top order collapses are common.

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Additionally..even though it makes you a stronger specialist combination..you cant play with just 5 bowlers..and no batters after 7((practically 6 [half and half]if 6 and 7 are not realible))…

there will definitely be a day when one gets injured or targeted/taken to the cleaners…your fate is sealed then..

this combo also may not work in SENA countries where spinners may not be so useful..

 

yea very short sighted. I always doubted jadejas batting in white ball cricket. How the hell did he 6 6’s in ipl lol?

[Insidious]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

India has structured their line up in such a way that they have to play near perfect game in every single match. Any disturbance to this pattern can massively cause a performance drop which is exactly what happened in the final. One scenario where India could fail, Australia pushed India to that scenario with relentless attack.  Panauti pitch helped them immensely. On a half decent batting track even Afghanistan bullied Australian bowling. We just wilted all levels.  

 

And if I am not wrong it is TM decision to play on this used abrasive panauti pitch. The TM did the same mistake in wankhade also, but that pitch remained true despite being an used pitch, else, bowler like santer would have eaten us alive.

What was reason to resort to pitch tampering when you have all the ability to beat Australia even on fresh/patta surface? I feel this is Karma.

[Sooda]

28 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Our batting line has Zero left handers in top 6. Jaiswal was a automatic selection for me. We need atleast two left handers in top 6-7. It just messed up bowlers rhythm. Its like bowling to same spot for top 6, retarded selection.

 

If any lefty would get in it would be Tilak. But honestly, who would he replace, even from the squad? Easy to say SKY in hindsight. Tilak (or Jaiswal) has no international experience. Too much of a gamble.

[R!TTER]

Meh, Karma Sharma Verma - if we didn't prepare for this kind of eventuality TM's even more stupid then we thought! The question should always have been to stick with the tried & tested formula of keeping wickets in hand till the end - what the * happened to that & RGS' brain fade  

 

Move over Misbah we've got a truly ATG choker in town 

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Sooda said:

 

If any lefty would get in it would be Tilak. But honestly, who would he replace, even from the squad? Easy to say SKY in hindsight. Tilak (or Jaiswal) has no international experience. Too much of a gamble.

ahhh, travis head barely played wc games and he owned us. Thing is jaiswal will be a super hit. If sky dsnt perform he dsnt need to play.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Meh, Karma Sharma Verma - if we didn't prepare for this kind of eventuality TM's even more stupid then we thought! The question should always have been to stick with the tried & tested formula of keeping wickets in hand till the end - what the * happened to that & RGS' brain fade  

 

Move over Misbah we've got a truly ATG choker in town 

TM seems set in stone like rahul dravid batting. Atleast the man was good at what he was doing. But if we use his formula for batting this team will fail.

[Frustrated]

10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

ahhh, travis head barely played wc games and he owned us. 

This is becoming a sort of pattern against our bowlers.  In the T20WC 2022 SF vs Eng, it was Alex Hales who took the game away from us in no time.  He had hardly played any previous T20 games of that tournament and no involvement in any bilateral t20 series leading upto that tournament.    It seems the top teams in white ball cricket these days hv found out certain key match winning batters who hv the skills to come out of no where in the middle of a tournament and prove to be "out of syllabus" for the opponent. 

[coffee_rules]

Sending Jadeja above Sky? Both couldn't do the roles they were supposed to do. It's all moot with bowling with dew. You will never know how much is good enough. 325 would also be chased in dew.

Edited November 22, 2023 by coffee_rules

[Need4Speed]

33 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Meh, Karma Sharma Verma - if we didn't prepare for this kind of eventuality TM's even more stupid then we thought! The question should always have been to stick with the tried & tested formula of keeping wickets in hand till the end - what the * happened to that & RGS' brain fade  

 

Move over Misbah we've got a truly ATG choker in town 

Keeping wkts in hand due tonthe fact we dont have reliable batting after 5..

this is just a bandaid solution..the bandaid weared off in final..

we will need to find quality ARs..else we cant dream of winning titles..

this was the last chance without it as we were playing in home conditions..though Aussies made use of the home conditions in the final..

This loss was like as if your friend runs away with your girlfriend haha..

[Need4Speed]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Sending Jadeja above Sky? Both couldn't do the roles they were supposed to do. It's all moot with bowling with dew. You will never know how much is good enough. 325 would also be chased in dew.

I also think so..we were lucky to get Marsh and Smith’s wkts..evrn whike chasing 275 if Aussies followed the same game plan to wait for movement to die off..

they had Maxwell waiting to clear boundaries with ease when bowl is coming well on to the bat…Inglish can play strokes well..dont forget Starc and Cummins have capability to strike up well too..

we needed to get very high score to comensate for the eased up pitch..

8 times out of 10 we wont be able to do so against very disciplined,meticulously planned bowling and fielding/placements of Aussies on this 1st innings slow track..

 

we will win while chasing!

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

I also think so..we were lucky to get Marsh and Smith’s wkts..evrn whike chasing 275 if Aussies followed the same game plan to wait for movement to die off..

they had Maxwell waiting to clear boundaries with ease when bowl is coming well on to the bat…Inglish can play strokes well..dont forget Starc and Cummins have capability to strike up well too..

we needed to get very high score to comensate for the eased up pitch..

8 times out of 10 we wont be able to do so against very disciplined,meticulously planned bowling and fielding/placements of Aussies on this 1st innings slow track..

 

we will win while chasing!

Then. the biggest mess-up is Curator / TM / BCCI  choosing the pitch . F the Dew!.

Edited November 22, 2023 by coffee_rules

[srgadjon]

8 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

I also think so..we were lucky to get Marsh and Smith’s wkts..evrn whike chasing 275 if Aussies followed the same game plan to wait for movement to die off..

they had Maxwell waiting to clear boundaries with ease when bowl is coming well on to the bat…Inglish can play strokes well..dont forget Starc and Cummins have capability to strike up well too..

we needed to get very high score to comensate for the eased up pitch..

8 times out of 10 we wont be able to do so against very disciplined,meticulously planned bowling and fielding/placements of Aussies on this 1st innings slow track..

 

we will win while chasing!

The only batsman who could have got India to a good score on that pitch was Kohli. Rest don't have the ability to score run a ball or more on that pitch. Once Kohli was out, match was as good as gone 

[deathmonger]

What Australians (and NZ and Eng as well) maximize are

 

1. fielding

2. batsmen can bowl a bit, bowlers can bat a bit

 

While we may have better pure batsmen and bowlers, they realize that a batting lineup doesn't just consist of specialist batsmen.

 

TM playing Shardul was correct decision process wise, just that Shardul isn't good enough. Need more allrounders especially pace for overseas now. Maybe Bawa can be fast-tracked.

 

2024 is in slow tracks so Sundar/Axar/Tilak trio provide both left handedness as well as bowling.

 

 

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, srgadjon said:

The only batsman who could have got India to a good score on that pitch was Kohli. Rest don't have the ability to score run a ball or more on that pitch. Once Kohli was out, match was as good as gone 

Rohit as well.

 

Shouldn't have slogged in the final. All those are good in small chases.

[R!TTER]

It was almost entirely on RGS - he was our plan A, there was no plan B/C/D/E if he failed because we would completely shut shop like we saw in Lucknow!

[MediumPacer]

dhawan replaced with gill ,pant injured .Dravid backed rahul over kishan.