Umran & Sen why not picked for SA tour?

[BlueBlood]

The fans always keep saying we don't want trundler brigade but why was Umran or Sen not picked even on the A tour?

In helpful conditions of Perth etc. in Australia too they didn't pick Umran back then and made him struggle in Dubai and Indian batting pattas.

 

Why are Indian fans so dumb they discarded him already and so called richest board makes the fastest pacer in the country not be ready for SA and Australia tours of all places?

People still here acting like Umran didn't even exist. This is exactly why Bumrah is unable to win games any more as he's trying to preserve and extend his career as he doesn't want to break down half way as he did before.

 

And then fools start running around saying Rohit Sharma is a genius when look an idiot he didn't even bring Shami on until Hardik was injured.

 

Didn't even test Shami even once before that. Are they so dumb that during net sessions they cannot see that a player like Shami is unplayable in the conditions?

Same thing with Umran, he was hyped and fed in batting pattas. Even Brett Lee or Mitch Johnson if you see their career, they struggled in Indian/Sub continent conditions and were preserved for conditions like SA, Aus where they thrived and won series single handedly.

 

Why are we supporting such a pathetic administration and team with zero strategy?

[singhvivek141]

Umran is injured as per what I have heard off.

Kuldeep Sen would have been handful here, but he is unfortunate that he has been purposefully thrown back in the pecking order, last year he was blowing everyone with his pace and bounce.

 

Franchise impact & backing is needed in the Indian Cricket to get a long rope...Sen has neither.

[tapandrun]

Reasons -

1. IPL lobbing 
2. TM , selectors and Captains - All have "faster it comes fasters it goes" engrained in their system. They like when ball goes slowly towards the boundary thinking it gives fielders a chance of stopping the ball. 
3. Umran kind has to blame himself as well.

Not Just Umran and Sen, there are others too who can be longterm solutions like Rana, Yadav and may be Tiyagi - All are being overlooked when they are at their prime and would be eager to learn and execute.

Ind has been selecting sub-intnl quality bowlers. Above mentioned guys should be given a proper run in ODIs and develop them

 

All other teams do not waste 145+ kmph bowler with excuses they are not ready yet, not all phase bowlers. Eng got Gus with little to no intnl exp. in WCs, Coetzee and  Lizaade in SA, Aus is trying to fast track Spencer Johnson (Who is not coming from Aus cricketing system) Moris would be making his Test debut soon.

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by tapandrun

[AKane]

In this series in all honesty the ODIs and T20s are window dressing.

 

The heart of the tour are the two tests and the attack there is set with Bumrah and Shami taking the best overs and the new ball. Siraj comes on first change and then Sen or Umran would get the ball around over 25. It would be disheartening.

 

It is good they are not playing in this mode. We win or lose with Bumrah and Shami. If we win they will get the kudos, if we lose then some else like Kohli/Rohit will take the blame.

 

Fast bowler 3 and 4 can be vital - like Colin Croft in WI tour of Aus which they won in 1979 2-0 vs Chappell and Lillee and co. Croft played a more vital role there than bowlers 1 and 2 who were Roberts and Holding.

 

But we are not that Windies, Sen and Umran are not Croft and Rohit is not Lloyd.

[express bowling]

Umran is supposedly injured. 

 

But it's shocking to see that Mayank Yadav and Kuldeep Sen have both been ignored. Tyagi is not in the reckoning either.

 

Both Mayank and Sen should have been in the ODI squad and Sen in the India A red ball squad too.

 

Among the really quick bowlers, only Harshit Rana has been picked for India A.

 

It's quite clear that the TM and sectors want medium pacers mostly.  Even new quicks with Siraj or Shami type 140 k+ pace are not wanted, forget the 145 k+ or 150 k+ guys. 

 

They want the new pacers to be slower than Shami and Siraj. Forget about Bumrah type pace. Don't know why !!

[AKane]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

They want the new pacers to be slower than Shami and Siraj. Forget about Bumrah type pace. Don't know why !!

Its obvious that they are settled with Bumrah and Shami and don't want to try alternatives to them. What is the point? They are not going to play over Bumrah and Shami.

 

BTW Bumrah is pace wise also 140-145 k. Rarely  goes above that.

[Nash]

Indian selectors unhealthy obsession with slow pacer is unimaginable.  

[AKane]

Are we the sort of team who if we have Roberts, Holding, Croft, Garner, Daniels in the lineup would experiment and come up with a Malcolm Marshall who is better than all the before bowlers?

 

No.

 

We will stick with the known product and not even search for Marshall or even give him a chance. 

 

Our known product is Bumrah, Shami,  "kindof sortof Siraj" and we will stick with that. Most of the folks here should be happy with that. Admittedly they are quite competent. Why create controversy by including a Sen, Rana or somebody who outshines the established stars? Let well enough be.

 

There is as much a bowling clique in the Indian team as a batting clique. Always was and always will be. Even during days of the great spin trio.

Edited December 4, 2023 by AKane

[IndianRenegade]

These are questions sports journalists should ask during press conferences. Instead they run twitter campaigns on why Virat/Rohit should be in the squad for the next wc.

[Lone Wolf]

It pains me to say this but that Kela's dropped catch of Mehidy in BD destroyed Sen's career.  It was never Sen's fault but geez boy is goddamn unlucky.  I feel for him more than Umran. 

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

It pains me to say this but that Kela's dropped catch of Mehidy in BD destroyed Sen's career.  It was never Sen's fault but geez boy is goddamn unlucky.  I feel for him more than Umran. 

Sen was in NCA recovering from Back injury, may be thats why he is nt playing VHT. V.hard to digest that he will move without any confirmation of getting the games.

 

Mostly players get verbal confirmation from TM that they will get good amount of matches before they sign the contract.

Edited December 5, 2023 by tapandrun

[cricketfan28]

The management already showed that our brand is fast medium. I think they have to do exceptionally well tobe picked.

[Chaos]

He is fast which i love. But as of now he is a spray gun. Fast and spray gun = disaster and run leaking machine

[raki05]

How can these chewts carry trundler like mukesh, arshdeep and avesh to SA. How come Avesh and Arshdeep inspite of getting regular thrashing still find the place in team and not bowlers like Tyagi, Sen, Umran and several new fast potentials.

[tapandrun]

8 minutes ago, raki05 said:

How can these chewts carry trundler like mukesh, arshdeep and avesh to SA. How come Avesh and Arshdeep inspite of getting regular thrashing still find the place in team and not bowlers like Tyagi, Sen, Umran and several new fast potentials.

Heard Dravid's TM rates Avesh v.highly

[raki05]

9 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Heard Dravid's TM rates Avesh v.highly

Dravid’s fav are kela and avesh both.

[tapandrun]

Just now, raki05 said:

Dravid’s fav are kela and avesh both.

Yes his choices and selections have been v.off, he is a good second fiddle but can not have him at the top making the decisions.

 

In last T20 WC we saw he clearly needed a LH batter in the middle, In place of trying an actual batter he kept pushing Axar. He was never sure of Hardik come back in this wc and Jadeja's injury before the t20 wcs.

 

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Sen was in NCA recovering from Back injury, may be thats why he is nt playing VHT. V.hard to digest that he will move without any confirmation of getting the games.

 

Mostly players get verbal confirmation from TM that they will get good amount of matches before they sign the contract.

Sen played SMAT, and is continuously in the squad for TN in VHT.

I doubt TN will keep an injured player in the squad, specially someone who is not from their setup.

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

The management already showed that our brand is fast medium. I think they have to do exceptionally well tobe picked.

Weird, because all the success we had received, specially in ODI & Test format is on the back of fast bowlers who can bowl in early to late 140's throughout the day.

 

The one format where we struggled historically is T20's, where we play these late 120's & early 130's bowlers.

[Insidious]

I thought things will change with Agarkar being the chief selector. Since, he himself used to bowl at a healthy pace and understand the value of grooming proper fast bowlers. It appears that he has also became supporter of Trundler brigade.