neel roy Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 15 hours ago, Lord said: How is Ranjis relevant for T20Is? Rythm. So that incase he is in the team and is given the ball ( normally historically india plays safe and never gives the 6th bowler an over unless its hardik) at least he wont suddenly be in deep end. When the main bowler gets hit lets say for 18 runs for eg Prasidh the 6th bowler is given a ball to minimise damage.. even a 12 run over by the 6th bowler gets acceptable in bigger scheme of things instead of prasidh going for another 16 or 17 Link to comment
Lord Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/10/2024 at 2:03 PM, neel roy said: Rythm. So that incase he is in the team and is given the ball ( normally historically india plays safe and never gives the 6th bowler an over unless its hardik) at least he wont suddenly be in deep end. When the main bowler gets hit lets say for 18 runs for eg Prasidh the 6th bowler is given a ball to minimise damage.. even a 12 run over by the 6th bowler gets acceptable in bigger scheme of things instead of prasidh going for another 16 or 17 The lengths required for T20 is totally different.Didn't even bowl in IPL. He'll get clobbered most days Dube was once hit for 30. Not sure he's improved very much. Link to comment
neel roy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Lord said: The lengths required for T20 is totally different.Didn't even bowl in IPL. He'll get clobbered most days Dube was once hit for 30. Not sure he's improved very much. So was Broad. But its not that. At least the more he bowls in competitive cricket the better he will be prepared if called to bowl. Simple. His bowling was not bad today. We need bowlers who can bat and batsmen who can bowl. Aus is a champion team as it has allrounders or batsmen who can bowl. Maxwell, Head, Green, Marsh, Stoinis. Windies has won 2 t20 wc and has odean smith, jason holder, romario shepherd, andre russell as allrounders. England has stokes Woakes curran rashid who can bat. Nz has neesham,santner, glenn Philips, rachin ravindra. Heck even saf has marco jansen and aiden markram. India has just Hardik Pandya and then 3 no 11s in kuldeep, bumrah, siraj. harpicP 1 Link to comment
harpicP Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, neel roy said: So was Broad. But its not that. At least the more he bowls in competitive cricket the better he will be prepared if called to bowl. Simple. His bowling was not bad today. We need bowlers who can bat and batsmen who can bowl. Aus is a champion team as it has allrounders or batsmen who can bowl. Maxwell, Head, Green, Marsh, Stoinis. Windies has won 2 t20 wc and has odean smith, jason holder, romario shepherd, andre russell as allrounders. England has stokes Woakes curran rashid who can bat. Nz has neesham,santner, glenn Philips, rachin ravindra. Heck even saf has marco jansen and aiden markram. India has just Hardik Pandya and then 3 no 11s in kuldeep, bumrah, siraj. That rright. We need to be near perfect every time. Cause batsmen can't bowl and bowlers can't put bat on ball We need 2 proper ARs. Link to comment
Vickydev Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Bhuvi wrecking Bengal on a pitch which if it didn't have white painted lines on it would be tough to separate from the rest of the outfield Lord 1 Link to comment
harpicP Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I dont freaking get it. Yea we are dominating England no doubt But all of their freaking can bat. I don't just mean bat for like 10 runs or so. Legit 20 to 30 average in first class cricket. Carse who doesn't have a great bowling average but he is quick and has a batting average of 31 in first class. 30 bowling average. Matthew potts medium fast pacer, can bat too. 20 average Then spinners Carson and the other dude can bat too. Not to mention Matthew fisher. Decent pace 130 to 140. Decent bounce. He can bloody bat too. 17 to 20 average. Why do our bowlers have such bad technique vs batting? I mean it's either that or England first class cricket sucks. tweaker 1 Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, harpicP said: I dont freaking get it. Yea we are dominating England no doubt But all of their freaking can bat. I don't just mean bat for like 10 runs or so. Legit 20 to 30 average in first class cricket. Carse who doesn't have a great bowling average but he is quick and has a batting average of 31 in first class. 30 bowling average. Matthew potts medium fast pacer, can bat too. 20 average Then spinners Carson and the other dude can bat too. Not to mention Matthew fisher. Decent pace 130 to 140. Decent bounce. He can bloody bat too. 17 to 20 average. Why do our bowlers have such bad technique vs batting? I mean it's either that or England first class cricket sucks. They work in it ,county pitches also don't turn that much so if it flattens out it can be quite placid,whereas in India there is almost always turn on offer ,even on a green pitch and also we don't work on it. harpicP 1 Link to comment
harpicP Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 16 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: They work in it ,county pitches also don't turn that much so if it flattens out it can be quite placid,whereas in India there is almost always turn on offer ,even on a green pitch and also we don't work on it. Andrew symmonds Waa 100% right then He said Indians have exceptional talents in the country. Cream of the crop but they are lazy. They don't work on fitness at all or work on additional duties like adding another skillset. Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 https://www.bcci.tv/bccilink/videos/FEh8PUbZ Kar v guj day 1 Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 https://www.bcci.tv/bccilink/videos/7MmnXPBH Ben v up day 1 Link to comment
tapandrun Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) - Edited January 12 by tapandrun Link to comment
msb1991 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 hours ago, MediumPacer said: https://www.bcci.tv/bccilink/videos/7MmnXPBH Ben v up day 1 Bhuvi looking class. Link to comment
harpicP Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Could bhuvi make a comeback for Sen tests? We don't tour England away this time though or nz. Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, msb1991 said: Bhuvi looking class. 4 hours ago, harpicP said: Could bhuvi make a comeback for Sen tests? We don't tour England away this time though or nz. still good for odd tests in sena,but wont last a long series. harpicP 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Now that Bhuvi is not picked for LOIS he is forced to play first class? Link to comment
Lord Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/12/2024 at 4:13 AM, neel roy said: So was Broad. But its not that. At least the more he bowls in competitive cricket the better he will be prepared if called to bowl. Simple. His bowling was not bad today. We need bowlers who can bat and batsmen who can bowl. Aus is a champion team as it has allrounders or batsmen who can bowl. Maxwell, Head, Green, Marsh, Stoinis. Windies has won 2 t20 wc and has odean smith, jason holder, romario shepherd, andre russell as allrounders. England has stokes Woakes curran rashid who can bat. Nz has neesham,santner, glenn Philips, rachin ravindra. Heck even saf has marco jansen and aiden markram. India has just Hardik Pandya and then 3 no 11s in kuldeep, bumrah, siraj. Broad was also never good in T20s I understand the need for allrounders, but we need to chose from SMAT and IPL. Unless he bowls there and does well, we can't expect him to bowl well in T20Is. Going forward I see a T20 XI like follows Jaiswal Venky/Abhishek Tilak Pant/Kishan/Jitesh Hardik Parag Sundar Harshit Rana Bishnoi Bumrah Lots of allround options. Specialists have to be really good and consistent to get in. harpicP 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Beetle 8 for 41 A green mamba as per above post. Won't look much into it. express bowling and harpicP 2 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Lord said: Broad was also never good in T20s I understand the need for allrounders, but we need to chose from SMAT and IPL. Unless he bowls there and does well, we can't expect him to bowl well in T20Is. Going forward I see a T20 XI like follows Jaiswal Venky/Abhishek Tilak Pant/Kishan/Jitesh Hardik Parag Sundar Harshit Rana Bishnoi Bumrah Lots of allround options. Specialists have to be really good and consistent to get in. Good and flexible and much wanted T20 XI Lord 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lord said: Broad was also never good in T20s I understand the need for allrounders, but we need to chose from SMAT and IPL. Unless he bowls there and does well, we can't expect him to bowl well in T20Is. Going forward I see a T20 XI like follows Jaiswal Venky/Abhishek Tilak Pant/Kishan/Jitesh Hardik Parag Sundar Harshit Rana Bishnoi Bumrah Lots of allround options. Specialists have to be really good and consistent to get in. No Rinku and SKY??…you picked X instead of XI :D Edited January 13 by Need4Speed express bowling 1 Link to comment
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