coffee_rules Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Old thread revived. Throwback from 4 years ago. https://t.co/jCPFk5MGng pic.twitter.com/qnaikjM5X4— चेदिराड्रिपुपार्षदः (@Saatvata) March 11, 2024 raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 This video has its own fan base Will this be recreated again? pic.twitter.com/jETS6W2Hrn — Harshitha (@gharshitha_) March 11, 2024 raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 the video with swara about NRC-CAA draft is also a classic one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 CAA assumes muslims are not discriminated in our neighbouring countries but that is not true,the killing of Shias and other muslims sects supports that.I think Supreme Court might overturn this because of that,lets see if they take up the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: CAA assumes muslims are not discriminated in our neighbouring countries but that is not true,the killing of Shias and other muslims sects supports that.I think Supreme Court might overturn this because of that,lets see if they take up the case. Irrelevant. CAA already has precedence in the world in Pressler amendment. The discrimination basis for CAA is inter-religious, not inter-sectarian. As such, sects of religions do not qualify. Only religions as a whole do. The SCOI will most likely not take up this case, due to this factor and the wording of the bill itself. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Need to distinguish CAA and NRC... Which opposition has failed to do. CAA is inherently anti Indian policy which serves no Indian interest. NRC is obviously need of the hour in India with millions of illegals living under Central and State government protection... Massive Rohingyas colonies in Delhi and JK are prime examples.. We all know about WB and Mamota Di's policy. Now CAA offers illegal Rohingyas coming into India to fakely convert to Hinduism before entering India and once they get all the benefits & come back to being Muslim. Saw people having honest discussions on it on Social mYo Absolute sh**t rule. And you cannot equate a native Indian living lawfully in India to a migrant. He should not get jobs or any other benefits an Indian gets. There should be a 20 year old or generation gap probation policy. Overall a sh*t policy in every sense. A political gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Lone Wolf said: Need to distinguish CAA and NRC... Which opposition has failed to do. CAA is inherently anti Indian policy which serves no Indian interest. It does serve Indian interest by countering the muslim demographic in India to some degree. There are still millions of non muslims that can avail this and will start to avail this as India's growth creates a bigger and bigger gap between India and its neighbours. Just now, Lone Wolf said: NRC is obviously need of the hour in India with millions of illegals living under Central and State government protection... Massive Rohingyas colonies in Delhi and JK are prime examples.. We all know about WB and Mamota Di's policy. NRC & UCC will be implemented in the next ruling period. Just now, Lone Wolf said: Now CAA offers illegal Rohingyas coming into India to fakely convert to Hinduism before entering India and once they get all the benefits & come back to being Muslim. Saw people having honest discussions on it on Social mYo Absolute sh**t rule. That's fine. If you can get muslims to even 'fake convert' on paper, thats still sufficient, as a significant portion of the fake ones will become real ones as they get more exposure to Hinduism to keep up the act. Same thing happened with Commies and orthodox christians pretending to be protestants to avail the Pressler amendment. Just now, Lone Wolf said: And you cannot equate a native Indian living lawfully in India to a migrant. He should not get jobs or any other benefits an Indian gets. There should be a 20 year old or generation gap probation policy. Overall a sh*t policy in every sense. A political gimmick. Disagree, since refugees already get all the benefits Indian citizens get in a much shorter wait period duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Muloghonto said: It does serve Indian interest by countering the muslim demographic in India to some degree. There are still millions of non muslims that can avail this and will start to avail this as India's growth creates a bigger and bigger gap between India and its neighbours. NRC & UCC will be implemented in the next ruling period. That's fine. If you can get muslims to even 'fake convert' on paper, thats still sufficient, as a significant portion of the fake ones will become real ones as they get more exposure to Hinduism to keep up the act. Same thing happened with Commies and orthodox christians pretending to be protestants to avail the Pressler amendment. Disagree, since refugees already get all the benefits Indian citizens get in a much shorter wait period duration. What part of Fake convert you don't understand? It will pose massive security risk on every possible level... And no amount of copium suggests they would start loving Hinduism & leave roohani kitab. That's just delusion. Coming on NRC and UCC that would practically deliver a telling blow to demographic changes happening. And CAA practically changes nothing on the ground... It's inconsequential in bigger scheme of things. Its just a political gimmick of ruling party & jokers in opposition are needlessly equating to NRC. Negative press spreading fake facts is also on full swing in Western media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: What part of Fake convert you don't understand? It will pose massive security risk on every possible level... And no amount of copium suggests they would start loving Hinduism & leave roohani kitab. That's just delusion. What part of ' if you expose 100 fakers to the ideology they are faking about, some WILL convert to it anyways due to exposure, as we saw in the case of Pressler amendment' did you not understand ? Yours = speculation. mine = precedent. 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: Coming on NRC and UCC that would practically deliver a telling blow to demographic changes happening. Correct, but it will happen next term. 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: And CAA practically changes nothing on the ground... It's inconsequential in bigger scheme of things. Its just a political gimmick of ruling party & jokers in opposition are needlessly equating to NRC. It provides refuge to the minority religions in islamic hellholes in our neighbourhood. And thats millions of people that add to us and is a good PR exercise for our masses. 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: Negative press spreading fake facts is also on full swing in Western media. Yes and they can go eff themselves too. We will handle the western media from the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 36 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: CAA assumes muslims are not discriminated in our neighbouring countries but that is not true,the killing of Shias and other muslims sects supports that.I think Supreme Court might overturn this because of that,lets see if they take up the case. Those countries are created on the basis of religion. Our CAA only care about persecuted minority on the basis of non muslim religion. Shia are still muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 UC's are already skeptical about what it brings to the table Now in the past Refugees like Matua,Rajbonshis,Valmikis,Bhils will be benifitted heavily from it.They are SC/ST under Indian constitution. Now after becoming Indian citizens,they will be eligible to get reservation,freebies and SC/ST Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, diga said: the video with swara about NRC-CAA draft is also a classic one Very popular The day Rubika Liaquat humiliated the daylights off Swara Bhaskar, exposed her uninformed, vile propaganda. pic.twitter.com/P0karolfgm— Abhijit Majumder (@abhijitmajumder) March 8, 2024 raki05 and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, cowboysfan said: CAA assumes muslims are not discriminated in our neighbouring countries but that is not true,the killing of Shias and other muslims sects supports that.I think Supreme Court might overturn this because of that,lets see if they take up the case. SC will only interpret the new law as per our constitution, they cannot overturn laws. Legislation can overturn the SC overturn with a majority like Congress did in Shah Bano case. Persecuted Muslims in Pakistan and BD have 52 other Islamic countries to seek asylum from. There is no other country for persecuted dharmics raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: UC's are already skeptical about what it brings to the table Now in the past Refugees like Matua,Rajbonshis,Valmikis,Bhils will be benifitted heavily from it.They are SC/ST under Indian constitution. Now after becoming Indian citizens,they will be eligible to get reservation,freebies and SC/ST Act. CAA is only for those already applied for citizenship before cutoff of 2014. Rohingyas already here are left ving in colonies ghettos and can easily be identified. The Dalits applying for citizenship is a minuscule percentage to outrage about govt jobs being taken away by refugees raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: UC's are already skeptical about what it brings to the table Now in the past Refugees like Matua,Rajbonshis,Valmikis,Bhils will be benifitted heavily from it.They are SC/ST under Indian constitution. Now after becoming Indian citizens,they will be eligible to get reservation,freebies and SC/ST Act. So what? Thats justice. Isnt it? coffee_rules and raki05 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Irrelevant. CAA already has precedence in the world in Pressler amendment. The discrimination basis for CAA is inter-religious, not inter-sectarian. As such, sects of religions do not qualify. Only religions as a whole do. The SCOI will most likely not take up this case, due to this factor and the wording of the bill itself. IMO, CAA was there in 1947 itself when Non Muslims were told to immigrate to India and become Indian Citizen. Some couldnt. Partition was done on basis that a Muslim state will be created and a India will remain. Many non Muslims copuldnt migrate to India for whatever reason may be at the time but I think India has a moral responsibilty to let non Muslims from Pakistani boundry of 1947 to migrate to India. India belongs to them same as it belongs to us. CAA is just a continuation of that policy of partition We dont need Pressler precedence. Edited March 12 by mishra coffee_rules, raki05 and Muloghonto 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: CAA is only for those already applied for citizenship before cutoff of 2014. Rohingyas already here are left ving in colonies ghettos and can easily be identified. The Dalits applying for citizenship is a minuscule percentage to outrage about govt jobs being taken away by refugees Nah... There is a lot more to it Swati sharma who was taking care of pak "hindu" refugees in Raj I guess,taught them they are tribal and what tribal day is. Those guys then held a rally celebrating they are tribal. In pak they were hindu but now in India they are tribal. So they used "hindu" ID to get into India. There is a lot of skepticism among GC's over this & for good reason. Security threat is always open & is a easy loophole to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, mishra said: IMO, CAA was there in 1947 itself when Non Muslims were told to immigrate to India and become Indian Citizen. Some couldnt. Partition was done on basis that a Muslim state will be created and a India will remain. Many non Muslims copuldnt migrate to India for whatever reason may be at the time but I think India has a moral responsibilty to let non Muslims from Pakistani boundry of 1947 to migrate to India. India belongs to them same as it belongs to us. CAA is just a continuation of that policy of partition We dont need Pressler precedence. Don't think that was the case or a formal agreement of sorts... Otherwise there wouldn't have been any issues on it. Afaik Thousands of Hindu Mirpuris from Mirpur Bhimber Kotli were given lands in JK post Tribal invasion. Then there were West Pak refugees after 65 & 71. So India has long been doing it. Pakistan didn't held up its promise to safeguard minorities & followed genocidal practices... But there was no moral responsibility for India to do anything yet we gave them shelter & in genuine cases like I mentioned gave citizenship and lands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Don't think that was the case or a formal agreement of sorts... Otherwise there wouldn't have been any issues on it. Afaik Thousands of Hindu Mirpuris from Mirpur Bhimber Kotli were given lands in JK post Tribal invasion. Then there were West Pak refugees after 65 & 71. So India has long been doing it. Pakistan didn't held up its promise to safeguard minorities & followed genocidal practices... But there was no moral responsibility for India to do anything yet we gave them shelter & in genuine cases like I mentioned gave citizenship and lands as well. On what ground, the migration happened in 1947. Non Muslims were told that they are free to migrate. Its just that Muslims accepted some Hindus to stay in their country to do menial jobs. How can anyone expect someone who lives on menial jobs like cleaning street and gutter afford to move to India in 1947. Offcouse some middleclass were foxed to stay in Pakistan but later converted to Islam or still living a life of second grade citizen So, I differ in opinion. I believe India and Indians have moral responsibilty. Independence we got for Indians and fruits belong to all and not just ones who are on Indian side. Indian Minorities on other side of India didnt have option. PS: You yourself are terming them as Tribals in earlier update goes to proove the theory that they didnt had option to moove to India in 1947 and were forced to live in Pakistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVin Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Jinnah was a Shia. Ahmadiyas played a huge role in creating Pakistan. Shias and Ahmadiyas can seek refuge in the 50+ Islamic countries if they want. India has zero obligation to accept Shias or Ahmadiyas. coffee_rules, raki05 and Muloghonto 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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