Rohit Sharma Backed To Join CSK, Ex MI Star Blasts Hardik Pandya's Selection As Captain !!!

[zaqw222222]

Sports Tak has been hinting that CSK are interested in bringing Rishabh Pant as Dhoni replacement and successor from next season.

[vvvslaxman]

11 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

For all the flak we give them for the old guy selections, let's acknowledge that they *are* the defending champs.  Somehow, they win.

MSD has three trophies in his cabinet. For all his sucking in Tests and few first round exits he has somethign to show. We had far better than MSD had in the recent world cup and Australia had an average side. India yet managed to botch it up. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

MSD has three trophies in his cabinet. For all his sucking in Tests and few first round exits he has somethign to show. We had far better than MSD had in the recent world cup and Australia had an average side. India yet managed to botch it up. 

thanks to the top-tier captaincy of rohit.

[BlueBlood]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

MSD has three trophies in his cabinet. For all his sucking in Tests and few first round exits he has somethign to show. We had far better than MSD had in the recent world cup and Australia had an average side. India yet managed to botch it up. 

 

It's simply seniority culture that even Dhoni succumbed to towards the last 3 years of his captaincy post 2011 win.

 

Until then he was fearless in giving chances to new talent. Suddenly after 2011 he became way too conservative for some reason. Most likely because of losing a prime Yuvraj and Zaheer who were his go to players.

 

Maybe there were some other compulsions from BCCI and selectors that we don't know about. He was saved so many times from humiliation post 2011 by ATG Kohli. But in CSK, he brings the same level of fearlessness in selections which makes people like Rahane, Uthappa punch above their weight.

 

It's sad than even in the next T20 WC same nonsense seniority culture is present where it will be a paid carribean vacation to Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul etc.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

It's simply seniority culture that even Dhoni succumbed to towards the last 3 years of his captaincy post 2011 win.

 

Until then he was fearless in giving chances to new talent. Suddenly after 2011 he became way too conservative for some reason. Most likely because of losing a prime Yuvraj and Zaheer who were his go to players.

 

Maybe there were some other compulsions from BCCI and selectors that we don't know about. He was saved so many times from humiliation post 2011 by ATG Kohli. But in CSK, he brings the same level of fearlessness in selections which makes people like Rahane, Uthappa punch above their weight.

 

It's sad than even in the next T20 WC same nonsense seniority culture is present where it will be a paid carribean vacation to Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul etc.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't call our team a great team. We were going through some sort of transition.  Rohit was not an opener before. Then He was paired with Dhawan at the top. There was bowler that was as good as Bumrah.  We had Bhuvi. Shami was new.  Anyway given our fielding ( we were very poor) it was no surprised we didn't win many. 

[Real McCoy]

On 3/13/2024 at 12:28 AM, velu said:

 

 

got busy with work ( everyday expiry .. before it use to be weekly once ) ..

she is doing good in troubling me

last 2/3 months i am alone here in bangalore .. dont say you got a job in blore 

 

last month visited iran for 10 days .. will post pics later 

salam alaikkum velu bhai atleast you get good food at home probably

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

MSD has three trophies in his cabinet. For all his sucking in Tests and few first round exits he has somethign to show. We had far better than MSD had in the recent world cup and Australia had an average side. India yet managed to botch it up. 

What great side did MSD compete against as a captain and won?What was his role in those win.

 

This guy is responsbile for mosre losses than wins.

 

Dhoni is most overrated captain.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What great side did MSD compete against as a captain and won?What was his role in those win.

 

This guy is responsbile for mosre losses than wins.

 

Dhoni is most overrated captain.

 

 

 

He captained a lot obviously losses are going to be more. He has won 3 against nothing from the two captains that followed him.  Until they win other than Asia cup their legacy will have a huge question mark. Lot of teams have regressed. When MSD was around Srilanka was a gun team with Malinga, Sangakkara.  West Indies was a better T20 side.  Nowadays most of the sides are very poor. So winning a world cup should be a lot easier.

[Forever Indian]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What great side did MSD compete against as a captain and won?What was his role in those win.

 

This guy is responsbile for mosre losses than wins.

 

Dhoni is most overrated captain.

 

 

 

In LOIs he was definitely a good/great Captain

 

Under Who's Captaincy did India win last of these ICC trophies?:

World Cup - Dhoni (2011)

World T20 - Dhoni (2007)

Champions Trophy - Dhoni (2013)

 

Last IPL winning team:

CSK - Dhoni (2023)

 

Which Indian Captain can claim any of these results in LOIs??

 

Tests, I agree he was an average or below average captain.

 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

 

In LOIs he was definitely a good/great Captain

 

Under Who's Captaincy did India win last of these ICC trophies?:

World Cup - Dhoni (2011)

World T20 - Dhoni (2007)

Champions Trophy - Dhoni (2013)

 

Last IPL winning team:

CSK - Dhoni (2023)

 

Which Indian Captain can claim any of these results in LOIs??

 

Tests, I agree he was an average or below average captain.

 

 

 

If we strictly talk about ODis  CT & World cup record will provide a snapshot

 

CT & World cup combined

 

MSD   25 matches  20 won.  3 lost 1 tied 1 NR   -  2 cups

Kohli  14 matches 10 won  4 lost - 0 cup/1 final

Rohit  11 matches 10 won  1 lost - 0 cup/1 final

 

World T20

 

MSD  33 matches 20 won 11 lost  1 tied 1 NR   - 1 cup, 2 finals

Kohli  5 matches 3 won 2 lost  - 0 cup/0 final

Rohit  6 matches 4 won 2 lost - 0 cup/0 final

 

 

 

Edited March 14 by vvvslaxman

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

 

In LOIs he was definitely a good/great Captain

 

Under Who's Captaincy did India win last of these ICC trophies?:

World Cup - Dhoni (2011)

World T20 - Dhoni (2007)

Champions Trophy - Dhoni (2013)

 

Last IPL winning team:

CSK - Dhoni (2023)

 

Which Indian Captain can claim any of these results in LOIs??

 

Tests, I agree he was an average or below average captain.

 

They won inspite of him not because of him. He led to more losses than win as captain and after his captain he was one of the main reasons for 2019 semis loss. His stupid batting cost India the chance to win.

 

He was directly responsible more t20 world cup losses than he had ever won as player and captain.

 

Nobody cares about IPL. Rohit Sharma won IPL five teams.

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

If we strictly talk about ODis  CT & World cup record will provide a snapshot

 

CT & World cup combined

 

MSD   25 matches  20 won.  3 lost 1 tied 1 NR   -  2 cups

Kohli  14 matches 10 won  4 lost - 0 cup/0 final

Rohit  11 matches 10 won  1 lost - 0 cup/1 final

 

World T20

 

MSD  33 matches 20 won 11 lost  1 tied 1 NR   - 1 cup, 2 finals

Kohli  5 matches 3 won 2 lost  - 0 cup/0 final

Rohit  6 matches 4 won 2 lost - 0 cup/0 final

 

 

 

He was carried to both t20 finals and he was reason for second t20 final loss.

 

He is most lucky and fluky captain. As a player after he overstayed his welcome and screwed Indian team some more for other captains.

 

He is the most useless t20 player who has ever played for India for long, his batting directly contributed to so many t20 losses.

 

Pandya is an upgrade over this guy in t20s.

Edited March 14 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

He was carried to both t20 finals and he was reason for second t20 final loss.

 

He is most lucky and fluky captain. As a player after he overstayed his welcome and screwed Indian team some more for other captains.

 

I would have a fluky captain than screw up captains that we have been having for the last 10 years in LOIs.  There is nothing lucky about promoting himself in the final in a tricky situation navigating the chase. Also he promoted Yusuf Pathan as an opener making his debut. He turned Rohit into opener after which he had a much better career.  He picked Ashwin just for semi final against Aussies  and opened the bowling with im. He bowled 5 overs.

[putrevus]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

I would have a fluky captain than screw up captains that we have been having for the last 10 years in LOIs.  There is nothing lucky about promoting himself in the final in a tricky situation navigating the chase. Also he promoted Yusuf Pathan as an opener making his debut. He turned Rohit into opener after which he had a much better career.  He picked Ashwin just for semi final against Aussies  and opened the bowling with im. He bowled 5 overs.

Yuvi was winning it with ease as he showed thru out the world cup in finals too.Gambhir was there too.

 

Scoring in one match does not making him a great captain. His batting was main reason for India losing world cup semis in 2019. 

 

He was helped by all players when he was captain but he screwed all other captains as a player starting  2007.

 

 

His so called great captaincy got exposed in 0-11. When he was looking like clueless idiot.

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I would have a fluky captain than screw up captains that we have been having for the last 10 years in LOIs.  There is nothing lucky about promoting himself in the final in a tricky situation navigating the chase. Also he promoted Yusuf Pathan as an opener making his debut. He turned Rohit into opener after which he had a much better career.  He picked Ashwin just for semi final against Aussies  and opened the bowling with im. He bowled 5 overs.

He had no other option in finals Sehwag was injured, just like he had no other optiion to bowl last over by joginder sharma.

 

If he was any good as a captain, he would won more t20 when he had strongest teams in 2014 and 2016.Who can forget him promoting Jadeja when Yuvi was sitting on bench in 2009 .

 

Yes he sure does get credit for Rohit Sharma.

 

When you are captaining for so long you have some moves which will turn out to be good.

 

 

[Forever Indian]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They won inspite of him not because of him. He led to more losses than win as captain and after his captain he was one of the main reasons for 2019 semis loss. His stupid batting cost India the chance to win.

 

He was directly responsible more t20 world cup losses than he had ever won as player and captain.

 

Nobody cares about IPL. Rohit Sharma won IPL five teams.

 

Haha, you have just twisted your point now that I have shown his Results! - He has won ALL the LOI trophies there is to win.

 

Your twisting of this just seems sour grapes because you probably don't like Dhoni. No point posting anything further from me as you will not accept anything!

[Forever Indian]

21 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yuvi was winning it with ease as he showed thru out the world cup in finals too.Gambhir was there too.

 

Scoring in one match does not making him a great captain. His batting was main reason for India losing world cup semis in 2019. 

 

He was helped by all players when he was captain but he screwed all other captains as a player starting  2007.

 

 

His so called great captaincy got exposed in 0-11. When he was looking like clueless idiot.

 

Again you are bringing in his Tests captaincy when we talked about LOIs clearly!

 

Also, he is a WK Bat and we are talking about his wins as Captain and not about his contributions with Bat.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

 

Haha, you have just twisted your point now that I have shown his Results! - He has won ALL the LOI trophies there is to win.

 

Your twisting of this just seems sour grapes because you probably don't like Dhoni. No point posting anything further from me as you will not accept anything!

Everyone knows those results.You don't have to remind me.Those wins does not make him a great captain as it has been proved over and over after those wins.

 

But not everyone wants to remember that he captained  to more losses with his captaincy directly resulting in those losses.

 

There is no sour grapes, If you call Dhoni lucky captain, I will agree but great absolutely not.

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Dhoni is most overrated captain.

 

 

My post is going to be specific to IPL.

With the kind of squad CSK has been picking after 2018, only Dhoni could have captained such a squad to three titles, with a fourth (2019) being a near miss.

 

Credit where it is due. He may be a credit stealer (coming in to bat in easier situations etc), but no other Indian captain maximizes the limited resources to produce as much success as Dhoni has.

Rohit has great success as an IPL captain, but most of his success came when every single player in the XI could win the match on their own on their day. In 2019-2020, their top 6 had Ishan, QDK, Rohit, SKY, Pollard, Hardik.. Each of them was capable of winning a match single-handedly.

 

IMO what works for Dhoni is role assignment. Every player is assigned a role to play and if they play their part, all of it comes together in a win. This is very different from sides like RCB, PBKS who fill their side with star players, but with no clear strategy or roles assigned. 

 

It is no coincidence that all RCB failures like Watson, Moeen Ali, Shivam Dube, Robin Uthappa and players with average runs with other franchises like Bravo, Rayudu had successful CSK stints.

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

He had no other option in finals Sehwag was injured, just like he had no other optiion to bowl last over by joginder sharma.

 

If he was any good as a captain, he would won more t20 when he had strongest teams in 2014 and 2016.Who can forget him promoting Jadeja when Yuvi was sitting on bench in 2009 .

 

Yes he sure does get credit for Rohit Sharma.

 

When you are captaining for so long you have some moves which will turn out to be good.

 

 

 

Instead of winning nothing he won something. No captain has won every cup they ever participated except Aussies who as a team were too good. Our team was not good. We lost to freaking padosis in a final. That too absolute shellacking.