To save India.. we need a strong opposition otherwise BJP will destroy the country

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:00 AM, Real McCoy said:

Topic is valid but these questions were not asked for 70 years under Congress rule. There are some unforced errors made by this government but the congress didnt even play. To answer your question, yeah this doesn't look great for India that the opposition is too weak to even keep the govt honest. In an alternate universe, congress gets some balls and kicks the ghandi family to the curb and start nominating someone like the late PVNR. Realistically that doesn't sound like an option. So we just hope that this govt is good

These questions were asked .. Indira lost elections. Vajpyee won and even modi won. Aside from Emergency no other leader has absolute control over media who is his propaganda arm and ED/CBI who are harassing opposition leader as well as all the cash for seat shenanigans Amit bhaiya pulls off... Hell he talks about Pappu and installs his useless son as BCCI chief

[straighttalk]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

Ya these people have made it a cong vs bjp thing and thinks you are advocating for Congress in present shape. We are saying bjp with state media and state policies force is destroying the country even though modi might be the best candidate for this election.

But as a party stays in power .. just like Manmohan himself was not corrupt.. the underlings are.. and we are seeing signs.. a viable India needs an alternate leader who is strong and good for India.. not choose Rahul Gandhi for the sake of it. 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:33 AM, mishra said:

 We are better off without Such kind of third grade opposition thinking

Thank you.. we understsnd corruption under bjp is third grade.. corruption under other parties are either rightfully first grade.. like fodder scam 2g etc.. or even if faked by ED.. are first grade... That's why we need a strong opposition to stop this nosnense

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:37 AM, mishra said:

For 70 years, Politicians and Parliament, Government official and Agenciens  got used to black money, commision, corrupttion and inefficiency.

 

Now when they cant do it or they get caught suddenly fight against corruption is a bad thing for democracy,

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

[Nonbeliever]

Funny thing is people think india is ruled by bjp government.  It is not bjp but corporates that slowly but steadily built up the big empires to dismantle the corrupt Congress through that fraud Anna hazare movement backed by heavily investing in media. 

 

Corporates backs parties through media.  If bjp oppose it won't take a day to bring them down.  Problem is people mind is controlled through constant lies in media.

 

They once come out to vote in 5 years and choose between 2 corrupt or slave parties and sleep and fight for 5 years thinking that that those most corrupt will work for the country benefits.

 

Truth is that their only job is to keep their masters happy and herd in control.  Bjp or congress does not matter, what matters is that public should be intelligent and asking questions in place of boot licking.

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by Nonbeliever

[coffee_rules]

45 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

Read about how communal riots have decreased enormously after 2014! 

[Muloghonto]

48 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

You actually intentionally avoided the two leaders who are closest to Modi.. Xi and Putin.. under whom the country did well but people's freedom were taken away and protestors or minorities were persecuted.. what the diff between them 

Neither of those two leaders are closest to modi and there is no minority persecution under  Modi. 

 

[mishra]

4 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

1.Before asking also be prepared to propose a alternative to Adani infra manufacturing machine which is Indian version of BRI? 
2. Same again, propose  better alternative to Electoral Bond.

Thats why i call third grade mentally bankrupt opposition because  unless you Give a alternative to RSS and you will NOT  have a party and politician better than BJP.

 

Honest opinion, Every political party have a vote bank. But there is a fluid class of voter which is educated,intelligent and smart enough to make his vote count. So it votes tactically to other politicians till BJP reaches a certain vote percentage in their states and then BAAM! And political analysts get surprised how this happened. 
 

Modi has asked for 370, He will get 370.

 

I am not politically affiliated to BJP but I can atleast analyse what and how it’s happening 

 

Edited April 4 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL - that number is probably a mere thousands funny how you bring this up when Chinese middle class decimates India's middle class in purchasing power.

 

 

This is exactly what I mean... You cannot dominate semi conductor, AI or future pacing industries by having zero English communication skills.

 

Taiwan dominates semiconductor industry and has less than half the skills of India in english. Same with Japan and Korea in manufacturing. Clearly, you have never dealt with Japanese or Korean companies,otherwise you'd know how poor their english is. 

And with that goes yet another nonsense theory of yours.

 

 

[Muloghonto]

56 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

There are far less riots and incitement of the population under BJP government than under Congress. This is an objective,citable fact as riots have massively gone down under the BJP government. 

 

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

There are far less riots and incitement of the population under BJP government than under Congress. This is an objective,citable fact as riots have massively gone down under the BJP government. 

 

Exactly, Forget Riots, Bhopal Gas tragedy and handling of it is prime example of how Congress rule works.i will say again, Main Reason why whole episode was brushed under carpet was because almost everyone impacted was from poor Muslim Chawl which used to live around that factory and Railway station. No Muslim body ever raises this question to Congress. 

 

Previous governments have countless funerals on their watch. Karma has way to get you. 

Edited April 4 by mishra

[BlueBlood]

42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Taiwan dominates semiconductor industry and has less than half the skills of India in english. Same with Japan and Korea in manufacturing. Clearly, you have never dealt with Japanese or Korean companies,otherwise you'd know how poor their english is. 

And with that goes yet another nonsense theory of yours.

 

 

Haha... just because they speak their native language doesn't mean they are not bilingual.

 

Comparing Japan, Taiwan and South Korea to Hindi Medium nonsense is exactly the root cause of the issues.

 

The corporates want useful slaves who is stuck in India and not able to migrate or move elsewhere. That way they control them and extract as much as possible from them until they die or retire.

 

Only difference is you wrap that around a flag of fake patriotism, it's easy to sell with media owned by you. 

 

It's exactly what North Korea and China does where someone slaving away 14 hours per day is told its their national duty. That Infosys CEO tried the same thing recently.

 

Look at how they are pushing people to get into Civil service instead of being entrepreneurs or working in private sector. It's all by design, so that 10-20 years from now you have useful idiots who will do as they say from higher authority and will not leave the country for better opportunities.

 

Fools like you sitting abroad don't have to suffer these consequences but all the people who are returning back to India from abroad's kids and next generation will feel this heavily.

 

That's why my argument is not even with you. But at least open your eyes to see how the corporates are controlling the country and BJP is enabling it just to remain in power. It's getting to the point of no return now, 10 more years of this and India becomes a USSR with oligarchs ruling the country as a permanent class and no body will be able to stop it including Modi.

[Muloghonto]

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha... just because they speak their native language doesn't mean they are not bilingual.

 

Comparing Japan, Taiwan and South Korea to Hindi Medium nonsense is exactly the root cause of the issues.

They are mostly NOT bilingual. As i said, its clear you have not dealt with them. I have dealt with Japanese & Taiwanese tech people for close to 20 years and even the best of them speak english like a hindi medium kid who aced english but hardly ever spoke it. 
Why do you insist on commenting on **** you have no experience with ?

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The corporates want useful slaves who is stuck in India and not able to migrate or move elsewhere. That way they control them and extract as much as possible from them until they die or retire.

 

Only difference is you wrap that around a flag of fake patriotism, it's easy to sell with media owned by you. 

 

It's exactly what North Korea and China does where someone slaving away 14 hours per day is told its their national duty. That Infosys CEO tried the same thing recently.

 

Look at how they are pushing people to get into Civil service instead of being entrepreneurs or working in private sector. It's all by design, so that 10-20 years from now you have useful idiots who will do as they say from higher authority and will not leave the country for better opportunities.

We direly need civil service and you'd know this if you saw the scope of India's missions overseas and the budget allocated to them. 

This is not an issue. 

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Fools like you sitting abroad don't have to suffer these consequences but all the people who are returning back to India from abroad's kids and next generation will feel this heavily.

Fools like you will make up any nonsense and run propaganda campaigns and then run away when asked questions.

You keep saying this government is doing jack **** for manufacturing or chip manufacturing in the country and how vietnam is overtaking us and apparently in 20 years vietnam will all have rolls royce and we will have bailgaari. Yet, when i asked you, what is the amount invested in funds for chip manufacturing in the last 5 years, you went missing and repeatedly dodged the question. Why ?

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

That's why my argument is not even with you. But at least open your eyes to see how the corporates are controlling the country and BJP is enabling it just to remain in power. It's getting to the point of no return now, 10 more years of this and India becomes a USSR with oligarchs ruling the country as a permanent class and no body will be able to stop it including Modi.

 

Corporates control every country there is, unless its China or North Korea. Thankfully, India is far less corporate controlled than your mai-baap USA and the western nations. And we are headed the way of USA, not USSR when it comes to oligarchic control and private media controlled by the government with seeded former CIA/SD personnel as analysts. 

As they say, if you wanna be the best, you sometimes have to copy the best. 

 

[BlueBlood]

This thread has proven the point that brainwashing has gone to such a level in India now that no one will change their opinion.

 

Even if BJP is the most corrupt party in the world or the worst in terms of media control, the excuse will always be they are better than Congress because of X or Y reason.

Every single instance like nepotism in BCCI or selling the country to corporates and oligarchs in order to win support or even making brain dead decisions like not feeding eggs/protein to children in schools will have some excuse or another as support because the media will keep feeding this information every single day. The same media controlled by the same corporations who control the same politicians regardless of which party governs.

 

The difference is it's worse now than ever before and blatantly obvious and in your face.

 

This is how propaganda takes shape if you study history. You need useful idiots who will support anything you do, even decisions that go against them as long as you have a boogeyman that is always there to get you and how you will be kept safe and well fed like a perfect slave if you support X party or Y leader.

 

As I said, 15-20 years from now the damage will be entirely obvious when the country will severely lag behind adversaries and the complete looting of the country by extracting every last ounce of money, sweat and resources will be completed by then. Until then enjoy your chest thumping because at the end of the day none of the people here will ever see a single rupee gain from defending these modern day oligarchs but they will enjoy the absolute unfettered monopolies they have and live like kings at your expense.

 

In the end, let this be proof that when the SHTF, there were people who warned this would happen and you all willingly and knowingly played a part in supporting this. There will be no excuses of "we didn't know" or BS like that. I will end this discussion at that and leave this political discussion board as it's clear I am not discussing with neutral minded or clear headed people but rather a brainwashed media manipulated person who will never be convinced otherwise.

[mishra]

^ Because BJP has delivered what.they promised. Also BJP has no alternative for now.  Congress rule was a rule of non delivery.
 

only one thing left. We want all corrupts to be pushed into prison. 

Edited April 4 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

This thread has proven the point that brainwashing has gone to such a level in India now that no one will change their opinion.

This thread proves very well how brainwashed you are 

To recap: 
1. You whine about government doing nothing to promote manufacturing and chip industry, but go missing when i ask you how much has been invested in this very sector in the last 3-4 years

2. You whine how 'hindi medium' schools will destroy India's export economy, but go missing when i point out that Japanese and Korean team leaders with 20 year experience on international business trips speak like ' you want apple or i take ?' . 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

 

The difference is it's worse now than ever before and blatantly obvious and in your face.

Show us evidence. Citation of data. 

if you cannot, then your position = propaganda. 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

 

 

As I said, 15-20 years from now the damage will be entirely obvious when the country will severely lag behind adversaries and the complete looting of the country by extracting every last ounce of money, sweat and resources will be completed by then. Until then enjoy your chest thumping because at the end of the day none of the people here will ever see a single rupee gain from defending these modern day oligarchs but they will enjoy the absolute unfettered monopolies they have and live like kings at your expense.

Bold of you to assume that NRIs like us do not hold stocks in these mega corps. 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

In the end, let this be proof that when the SHTF, there were people who warned this would happen and you all willingly and knowingly played a part in supporting this. There will be no excuses of "we didn't know" or BS like that. I will end this discussion at that and leave this political discussion board as it's clear I am not discussing with neutral minded or clear headed people but rather a brainwashed media manipulated person who will never be convinced otherwise.

Yes, you are so clear-headed that you have not posted a single shred of evidence to back up your claims and repeatedly gone missing when asked to address the actual data. 

Stop projecting your brainwashed self on to others and look into the mirror yourself.

 

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

Because Adani has not been found guilty of breaching any laws. Thats the simple answer. 

 

[Real McCoy]

12 hours ago, straighttalk said:

These questions were asked .. Indira lost elections. Vajpyee won and even modi won. Aside from Emergency no other leader has absolute control over media who is his propaganda arm and ED/CBI who are harassing opposition leader as well as all the cash for seat shenanigans Amit bhaiya pulls off... Hell he talks about Pappu and installs his useless son as BCCI chief

 

So your main idea of this post is to attack bjp not to improve India's welfare. I gave you a long rope. You just hanged yourself. Whether the use of ED is good or bad, it only depends on the criminal activites of Kejriwal and other that are causing them to be in jail. Case closed.

 

Apart from the brief interference by Morarji Desai and by Congress' own Shastri, it was in the hands on the Gandhi family. Even now they own Congress much to their falling out of favor. They have sought their own demise by sticking to Gandhis at the helm. Look how they treated PVNR's death, arguably their greatest candidate. Karma is a biyatch

[Number]

ED CBI going after smallest scams is one of the best things that is happening.

Earlier in this country both opposition and ruling govt could go away with anything as both sort of protected each other's wrongs.

But now things seem to have changed. Any politician of opposition at least can't get away with it. And even the ruling party CMs will know it could be their turn too one day.

 

[Insidious]

30 minutes ago, Number said:

ED CBI going after smallest scams is one of the best things that is happening.

Earlier in this country both opposition and ruling govt could go away with anything as both sort of protected each other's wrongs.

But now things seem to have changed. Any politician of opposition at least can't get away with it. And even the ruling party CMs will know it could be their turn too one day.

 

Issue is not ED and CBI initiating proceedings against politician of opposition parties. Issue is dropping of charges against the same politician when he/she joins the ruling party.

 

The ruling party has made a mockery of institution like ED/CBI.