To save India.. we need a strong opposition otherwise BJP will destroy the country

[diga]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

But your mai-baap western nations have all media controlled by corporations ! 

 

Funny how your corporate rant-list doesnt include the Tatas, birlas, etc. 

 

and the Bajajs

[mishra]

On 4/3/2024 at 6:29 AM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries.

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

Countries are built within a span of 20-30 years of Good Governance.

People know that Congress nearly destroyed the country in 70 years of poor Governance.

 

These guys are using same logic without assuming that most educated People can differentiate between current Good Governance vs Pathethic Governance of Congress

Edited April 4, 2024 by mishra

[mishra]

10 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

The saddest part of this whole thing as the brainwashing that is happening that will take decades to erase.

 

Idiotic things like Hindi Medium, war against eggs/protein in schools for children, massive drive against entrepreneurship and towards IAS/IPS and Civils. Then add to this complete and utter control of the media by corporations.

 

It's not even about BJP anymore. The corporations will rule and make even Modi dance to their tune if he ever dare touch them in the future as all it takes is make the media go against him if he makes one big error.

 

Just look at the CM's of Telangana, Andhra, Punjab etc. from non-BJP parties literally bowing down like slaves to Adani when ever he decides to come and do whatever he pleases with zero opposition. At least against Modi there is some level of opposition but not a single fly is allowed to land on Ambani, Adani and other shadow corporates.

 

Eventually there will come a day when public will demand something important and the government will due to pressure from corporations not yield. Then, even if the government wants to reverse course, they will be internally destroyed by same corporations who have been given the power of monopoly in critical sectors, full control of media and insane amount of money through SBI loans and insurance company funds.

 

This is exactly what happens when you want to win at all costs and don't care about future generations. Indira Gandhi made same mistake which gave the rise of BJP.

 

My fear is what happens then? The damage will be so extreme that who ever takes over the next government will be fully controlled by the same corporations and will not be able to do a single good for the nation.

 

Yet, the worshipping that goes on in even educated "NRI" circles of these same modern day oligarchs of India is next level.

Just name and describe one progressive policy from opposition which needs to be incorporated into current BJP Policy. Opposition is bankrupt of ideas. It gives zero confidence deliveries.

 

All opposition can come up is  freebies policy (BTW money to fund those freebies policies has come from current government policies) which is what USA wants so that we can be in same position as Pakistan in next 20-30 years. A militarily strong dog which can be asked to attack any nation if USA wants. Took me some time, but Now I am abslutely certain that USA has a backup plan in Indo pacific by deploying Pakistan model of economics in India via people like Kejriwal who are exactly coming up with that kind of economics for India

Edited April 4, 2024 by mishra

[gattaca]

9 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

When you are REALLY serious about being an objective and neutral person really dig deep into how Adani purchased Mumbai Airport from GVK Reddy a true industrialist and visionary. Considered on par to the Tatas in South with zero blemishes or corruption in their record.

 

Then it will be clear why politicians who have tons of cases on them are being slaves.

 

Soon BRS/TRS will merge with BJP for the same reason and current Congress on Telangana will also merge to BJP for the same reason.

 

It's nothing to do with Modi or idealism or what you think and everything to do with how corporations own the country. And that too only handful of them.

 

The rest I don't even want to waste time arguing ad nauseum. We will come back 10-15 years from now and the results or damage of this will be there to be seen when all the visionaries leave the country in mass.

GVK has mountain of debt and he tried to raise money by selling it. GVK was favored by congress and that is how he got the Mumbai airport project in the first place.

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

Congress even made laws and constitution. Its about delivery where it has spectacularly failed.

 

Again, name and describe one policy which BJP should put in its manfesto  delver.

[coffee_rules]

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

Fine take credit for establishing the industries that BJP is helping flourish. Anyhow, India was forced to open its markets in IMF/WB in the 90s , else we would have to pau debts by mortgaging the gold bullion. Hence, the liberalization happened and the industries like IT were established. After 998, Infra projects, Auto and other manufacturing were established. We are seeing the fruits of that in growth now. The semi-conductors and AI establishment now will pave way for future growth.

 

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

Yes, they do for BPL holders, not giving 1000 rs to all women (Delhi), 3000 rs to all graduates (Kar) and free bus tickets to all women (multiple states). These are exchequer burbers and will lead to a Pakistani economy. The swaminathan commission MSP recommendaton for all essential crops will lead to 25% of our whole countries budget. Dubodega India ko. That's what global toolkit operators want through Soros and Ford Fouundation funding.

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

You slave mentality is exposed, as if Hindi medium can't have proper communication/mgmt skills. If a industry is in MP, people speak in Hindi, customers speak Hindi, consumers speak Hindi, what will English educated sophisticated management skills do to establsh the industry. 

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

 

Most illegals caught in mexico border is still Chineses among all Asian countries. Go Figure! China wants to promote illegal immigration, so they will more to the locals from the same pie. 

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL - that number is probably a mere thousands funny how you bring this up when Chinese middle class decimates India's middle class in purchasing power.

 

 

This is exactly what I mean... You cannot dominate semi conductor, AI or future pacing industries by having zero English communication skills.

 

How funny that Adani and Ambani kids study in US universities and bilingual but the nations youth through fake patriotism are forced without choice into Hindi Medium - specifically to become useful slaves who are stuck in India as they will have no other options to leave and make a life elsewhere.

 

 

You shifted goal posts. Focusing only on English will get us nowhere. If we want to bring swadeshi industries and tap into rural/Tier2/3 cities for job seekers, we need to look to local languages. I never said focussing on Hindi will get us growth into future job markets.

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

It's not about taking credit. It's about policies that were established 30 years ago bearing fruit after a LONG time. Similar to how the policies of enriching the corporations today at all costs and giving power to handful of oligarchs will bear fruit 20 years from now in a negative way.

 

We saw what happened to Russia when they did this in the old Soviet Union. They had many civil wars and they were broken up into pieces. Same thing will happen as politicians will be helpless.

 

Anyway, let's see 15-20 years from now as the the real damage/results of all these will bear fruit then. Until then you can do all your chest thumping about how the opposition is completely destroyed and how BJP made pappu of Rahul Gandhi etc. Let's see what happens when public demands higher wages, cheaper prices for goods and better quality of life including lower pollution etc. and government will have its hands tied as they are fully controlled and owned by corporations to the point of no return.

 

You are like the Raghuram Rajan of icf, predicting doom and gloom in this environment of boom. Keep at it and we seem to forge forward. 

Dekhna Ab giregi ab giregi.. karte raho. 

 

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries.

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:48 PM, cowboysfan said:

Congress is the only reason for the rise of a party like BJP which smartly has shown the appeasement politics of Congress.majority of the hindi heartbelt see Gandhis and Congress as Anti-hindu now.imo its all down to pappu,he has scored own goals after own goals since 2014 and is doing it almost everyday in the election year.There is no hope for Congress as long as Rahul is directing them to disaster.I still dont understand why they didnt attend the Ram Mandir opening,they would have lost zero Muslim vote but still declined the invitation.

Anti Hindu is a non issue beyond the fundamentalist ... Inept without any policy or vision is the issue.. just shouting secularism and anti modi without any idea to govern is why Congress is in such a state under Gandhi.. they need a articulate charismatic leader... 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 3:58 AM, Number said:

Does the opposition have any selling point on which they can ask for a change ? 

All they do is, vote for us else they will change the constitution or democracy is dead, modi is a dictator blah blah. They have zero reach on the ground.

The Congress is worse than Britishers when it comes to infra or industrial setups development.

Imagine a party in 2024 has absolutely nill points on development or economic growth. All of them are about doles or pensions or sarkaari naukari based on caste or sex.

They got a chance to govern a few states in this 2014-2024 period but failed to create a model of development which they could sell across India.

People are not as gullible as 50s to 90s now. They will vote for you if you sell them something good. 

Warna 100 saal aise hi rote raho.

Absolutely . And that's why modi keeps getting elected.. and in the long run that's bad for India.. modi without doubt is a better leader and administrator for India but he bring in authoritarianism along with a legacy of religious bloodshed... Allowing bjp to be the one party ruler of India is akin to moving under ccp

[cowboysfan]

let me just say you cant do capitalism peicemeal,even China understands this with their State capitalism.There is going to be wealth accumulation ,if you try to tax the Rich higher now in such a emerging economy like India than its economic suicide.

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

You actually intentionally avoided the two leaders who are closest to Modi.. Xi and Putin.. under whom the country did well but people's freedom were taken away and protestors or minorities were persecuted.. what the diff between them 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 4:27 AM, gattaca said:

Was it all changa when congress ruled India for over 60 years ? They didn’t even put subash Chandra Bose picture in parliament. They vilify veer savarkar every time. They cause Brahmin riots in Mumbai avd Sikh riots in Delhi. They imposed emergency. For all the  Muslims ka thekedar they didn’t even had Muslim leaders in their party. They had ornamental Muslim leader like salman krushid. They lost Aksai chin and terrorism was at peak during upa rule. The home minister had no clue what was happening. Congress only had loyalists in posts. People were brainwashed in to believing they got freedom but they erased revolutionary leaders contributions. Ever heard the term caged parrot CBI ? Now look at BJP. They brought many people out of poverty and are building great infrastructure all over India. Security situation improved a lot. Pakistan stopped doing the acts. They found FATF list as a weapon. The Indian MEA is best it has been in years. They have delivered most of their 2019 manifesto. 
 

Rahul Gandhi makes Jupiter escape velocity, sona aur Aaloo , ripping bill passed by his own govt, janedari Brahmin and complaining who owns newspapers. AI is all networks lol. 
 

Liquor scam had money trail. BRS MP was arrested and kejriwal never passed lokpal bill which was his promise. He doesn’t unlock his phone and doesn’t provide his old phone. 
 

 

Adani is a big lol. Adani got big projects in chattisgarh and Rajasthan during congress rule. Recently Telangana CM who is from congress met him. Adani has much lower contribution to electoral bonds than others.

First.. if you read my post.. I am not saying cong is better than bjp. You are wrong to assume that I am a cong supporter. I am apolitical. I voted for Vajpyee and also voted for modi. If I was able to vote this time  I would have abstained. I think in this election Modi will win as he is the better candidate.

My concern is in the absence of strong opposition. Bjp corruption and malfeasance is going unchecked and that is bad for country. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by straighttalk

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 5:37 AM, randomGuy said:

Question to OP, Did Maratha/Sikh empires need Mughals? Not saying all opposition are showing such traits but some part of opposition is showing such traits.

Could you elaborate... Which major party is calling on Muslims to kill Hindus  aside from the Owaisi ... Which party is killing Hindus for eating fish stopping them from praying or has higher number of demolishments of other persons place of worship

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:00 AM, Real McCoy said:

Topic is valid but these questions were not asked for 70 years under Congress rule. There are some unforced errors made by this government but the congress didnt even play. To answer your question, yeah this doesn't look great for India that the opposition is too weak to even keep the govt honest. In an alternate universe, congress gets some balls and kicks the ghandi family to the curb and start nominating someone like the late PVNR. Realistically that doesn't sound like an option. So we just hope that this govt is good

These questions were asked .. Indira lost elections. Vajpyee won and even modi won. Aside from Emergency no other leader has absolute control over media who is his propaganda arm and ED/CBI who are harassing opposition leader as well as all the cash for seat shenanigans Amit bhaiya pulls off... Hell he talks about Pappu and installs his useless son as BCCI chief

[straighttalk]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

Ya these people have made it a cong vs bjp thing and thinks you are advocating for Congress in present shape. We are saying bjp with state media and state policies force is destroying the country even though modi might be the best candidate for this election.

But as a party stays in power .. just like Manmohan himself was not corrupt.. the underlings are.. and we are seeing signs.. a viable India needs an alternate leader who is strong and good for India.. not choose Rahul Gandhi for the sake of it. 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:33 AM, mishra said:

 We are better off without Such kind of third grade opposition thinking

Thank you.. we understsnd corruption under bjp is third grade.. corruption under other parties are either rightfully first grade.. like fodder scam 2g etc.. or even if faked by ED.. are first grade... That's why we need a strong opposition to stop this nosnense

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:37 AM, mishra said:

For 70 years, Politicians and Parliament, Government official and Agenciens  got used to black money, commision, corrupttion and inefficiency.

 

Now when they cant do it or they get caught suddenly fight against corruption is a bad thing for democracy,

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

[Nonbeliever]

Funny thing is people think india is ruled by bjp government.  It is not bjp but corporates that slowly but steadily built up the big empires to dismantle the corrupt Congress through that fraud Anna hazare movement backed by heavily investing in media. 

 

Corporates backs parties through media.  If bjp oppose it won't take a day to bring them down.  Problem is people mind is controlled through constant lies in media.

 

They once come out to vote in 5 years and choose between 2 corrupt or slave parties and sleep and fight for 5 years thinking that that those most corrupt will work for the country benefits.

 

Truth is that their only job is to keep their masters happy and herd in control.  Bjp or congress does not matter, what matters is that public should be intelligent and asking questions in place of boot licking.

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2024 by Nonbeliever

[coffee_rules]

45 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

Read about how communal riots have decreased enormously after 2014!