Caste discussion in Indian cricket and TN cricket

[Vicks57]

51 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Western Indologist circle jerk is the only one which tries to concoct ex nihilo the 'muh Hindus had steak parties every day' part with the aid of tortured translations and extremely liberal interpretations of the former. You can include frauds like devdutt Pattnaik in this category along with every shade of lumpen Marxist jhollachhap anti intellectual.

Closest thing to blasphemy in Hinduism has injunctions against cow slaughter which has direct Smriti pramanas, the other being Brahmahatya and devninda. 

Ambedkar is not an authority on even Buddhism, as evidenced by the desire to concoct his own religion all based on his own arbitrary interpretation of Buddha and his precepts which all other Buddhists reject, let alone Sanskrit and thus Hinduism or any of its scriptures. 

 

The whole issue was just a matter of soft targets and a chance to appear virtuous by riding on the coat tails of stale and oft repeated narratives of 'oppression' which can allow you to claim anything was a result of 'caste based chauvinism', indulge in wanton double speak and basically transfer the responsibility to prove any non-culpability on the one being accused,  a process which has been fine tuned like an algorithm and which no one else is subjected to. Apart from the Hindi heartland Savarnas, Brahmins throught India are notoriously atomised with negligible land holdings or political power other than their ability to function as a reliable tax base in most of India which was why they mananaged to blackmail even the BJP to bring in an EWS quota in response to the draconian Sc/St act after the 2019 MP elections which they lost. 

Cho ramaswamy, Subbu and Gurumurthy types from the Mylapore lobby are the exception rather than the norm in TN landscape. You hear Annamalai and JSD talking and they will tell you why many of the community left TN like both sides of my family in the 30s and 40s to go to other parts of India and attempt to build a new life, Mumbai and Calcutta most prominently. 

 

Cho, Subbu, Gurumurthy types are the norm in rest of India. Subbu is a Delhi Politician. He is not related to TN politics.

 

Brahmin community is like 10 percent of India. How on earth did they manage to get EWS quota of 10 percent?

 

I am not against economic reservation but 10 percent ???There was no protest, no commission and EWS was handed to them on a silver platter.

 

Mandal commission and the fight to get OBC reservation was a tumultuous process. Lots of suicides, burnt bodies, civil unrest.

 

That by itself speaks volumes about the power of Brahmins in RSS, BJP.

 

JSD? Dude is a joke.  Idiot lives in lala land.

 

Annamalai is a huge disappointment despite being an educated person with experience in administration.

 

There was/is no Brahmin persecution in TN.  Mumbai is the financial capital of India. Dharavi is full of Tamils.

Edited April 17 by Vicks57

[Vicks57]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Ambedkar is NOT an authority On ancient or even medieval history let alone Vedic. He is very much influenced by faulty translations of Vedas by western indologists. Marxist historians target Hinduism and all wrongs and they think Buddhism is anti-thesis of Hindu philosophy. While Buddha himself a kshatriya , a proud one at that, believed in varnashram and also ate meat. Buddhists as pronounced originally by Buddha also was very ritualistic. 
 

Vedas preaching eating beef or sacrifices of Cow or Horse is highly misinterpreted by all esp early Marxists. Stop reading Periyar or DMK paper pushers.

 

Nobody can be better than Panini in Sanskrit grammar and meaning of words. Read this article:

 

https://www.firstpost.com/india/why-eminent-historians-claim-cow-flesh-was-consumed-in-vedic-times-despite-no-evidence-to-back-it-10387301.html/amp

 

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The rule of the Vedas that a cow is Aghnya has been reiterated again and again in Sanskrit literature. The Mahabharata (15.39) says, “The one who himself doesn’t eat meat but even if he gives his consent to eat meat or kill animals, he becomes equally sinful as them”. The meat eaters who kill an animal in the name of yajna or tell that it is a requirement of the yanja is a sinner and he will go to hell (15.43). “The one who brings an animal to be killed, the one who buys the animal to be killed, the one who kills the animal, and the one who sells, buys, cooks and eats the meat are all sinners (15.45).” This shows that the Vedic yajnas did not involve any animal sacrifice.

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Goghna” is one such word. Taranath interpreted it as “the killer of a cow” ignoring the meaning given by 8th century B.C. grammarian, Panini. Panini explained the meaning of this word as “the donee guest who receives a cow.” By changing the meaning, Taranath imposed the suggestive meaning on Hindus that they ate cows, in order to provide legitimacy to those who were and are eating cows. There is no reason, whatsoever, to accept Taranath’s interpretation of “goghna” in place of the meaning given by Panini, unless someone proves that Taranath of the late 19th century was closer in his understanding of Vedic Sanskrit and was greater Sanskrit scholar than Panini. Taranath did precisely the same with the word ‘Ashwamedha’. It is wrong to think that the Ashwamedha horse was meant for killing and eating at the end of yajna.

 

Even if what Marxists and Ambedkarites say is true, sanatanis have always believed in reform, introspection. Hence the longevity and antiquity. Smritis are only time bound and applies only to the societies of that time. Early humans ate raw meat until fire was invented.  If early Brahmins ate beef, there is no justification or compulsion that modern day Brahmins have to eat it too. They have reformed and moved on. 

 

 From the link you shared,

 

"From Rig Veda and Atharva Veda we know that meat of a few domestic animals like sheep, goat, buffalo, bull, ox, male calf, etc, were consumed but not cow."

 

Buffalo, bull, ox, male calf are all beef. 

 

So once again,

 

Did Brahmins perform animal sacrifice in Yagnas and eat beef? Yes

 

Rig Veda is older than Mahabharata. Animal sacrifices are common during yagnas. 

 

"If early Brahmins ate beef, there is no justification or compulsion that modern day Brahmins have to eat it too. They have reformed and moved on. "

 

Who asked them to? They can practice vegetarianism. No one is forcing them physically or mentally to eat beef or any other meat.

 

[diga]

24 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

 

Brahmin community is like 10 percent of India. How on earth did they manage to get EWS quota of 10 percent?

 

EWS or economically weaker section includes all the people of the state earning lower income and not just Brahmins...  and no Brahmin willingly applies for it unlike other castes 

[Real McCoy]

19 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

There was/is no Brahmin persecution in TN.

 

Dude, really? I have seen one bhramin student in school during lunchtime was taunted if he wanted some chicken. We were children and I laughed at the suggestion. The brahmin boy didn't find it so funny. The boy who taunted him was also not at fault but his parents maybe and by extension, their leaders. Its probably far worse right now. I don't think even non-brahmins would want to study in govt schools now.

[Vicks57]

Just now, diga said:

EWS or economically weaker section includes all the people of the state earning lower income and not just Brahmins...  and no Brahmin willingly applies for it unlike other castes 

 

 

No, EWS only applies to general caste or Forward caste who are not part of OBC, SC, ST.

 

"No Brahmin willingly applies for it unlike other castes" 

 . Don't make me swear.

[rollingstoned]

29 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Cho, Subbu, Gurumurthy types are the norm in rest of India. Subbu is a Delhi Politician. He is not related to TN politics.

 

Brahmin community is like 10 percent of India. How on earth did they manage to get EWS quota of 10 percent?

 

I am not against economic reservation but 10 percent ???There was no protest, no commission and EWS was handed to them on a silver platter.

 

Mandal commission and the fight to get OBC reservation was a tumultuous process. Lots of suicides, burnt bodies, civil unrest.

 

That by itself speaks volumes about the power of Brahmins in RSS, BJP.

 

JSD? Dude is a joke.  Idiot lives in lala land.

 

Annamalai is a huge disappointment despite being an educated person with experience in administration.

 

There was/is no Brahmin persecution in TN.  Mumbai is the financial capital of India. Dharavi is full of Tamils.

No they're not. You see what you want to see by indulging in acute sampling bias. Politicians and public figures who make it to the public eye are by their very definition a minority. It would be like Saying just because we find rich sc/St and obc politicians that this is the norm in the rest of India. Arbitrarily definied 'Privilege' is obviously a one way street. Subbu eg was cited only because of his caste which seems to be the crux of the discussion and what you people obsess about regardless of where he is practicing his career. 

 

Go look up why it was awarded in the first place. When you get out of the bizarro universe you inhabit you will come to understand that for an UC to be poor or lacking in economic means is a fate far worse than anything else in this country who have institutionalised seeing him as someone with defacto privileges which is far from the case. 'Oppressed subalterns' who have the eohut to be perpetual victims meanwhile can ride the gravy train of caste oppression and file fake sc St cases to settle personal scores. 

The UC population in India btw is close to 28%, it is not just a 'Brahmin quota'. If the putative goal is 'social upliftment' then instead of trying to fragment a society by constantly exaggerating beyond breaking point a chimera of historical millenia okd oppression which is far from a settled fact make the whole system agnostic to caste - a thing we are told has to be eradicated - and throw it open to anyone who needs it. The chance to 'double dip', like we see in Govt college admissions can't be allowed, which is what this is chiefly meant to address. Unless you think only some groups are allowed a voice and a right to consolidate and then protest which would be on brand for most Bhimtas and D stocks. 

 

Mandal commission should have been opposed tooth and nail by anyone who had the well being of the country in mind and even more so since it was based on categories, ideas and half baked censuses conducted by the British who themselves arbitrarily created categories like scheduled castes and tribes without any rigor or research to follow it since it was first implemented. Successive govts since have only institutionalised this process by politicising it making it a useful plank on which to build political careers by weaponising the language of equity and social justice. Many of these 'OBC' categories were created without even bothering to find out if these communities are even Oppressed often times including those of whom are large landholding castes with a lot of political clout in their respective states regardless of what historical Varna they belonged to or finding themselves on it due only to a spelling mistake in thr case of the Meenas.and then threatening the state of consequences if it ever reversed it. This is the sort of retarded race to the bottom we are supposed to laud as a vehicle for social change and upliftment lol. All the burnt bodies, civil unrest was for naught and a big indictment against the whole institution itself re what it seeks to achieve. 

Not even their fraud hero Ambedkar had this in mind when he asked for it while they run entire political movements and narratives around his rhetoric and image. 

 

Bjp/rss were not the ones who championed EWS but were forced to include it after protests and an uproar from UC communities against the SC St act they themselves passed, read properly. Yea so much 'sway' Brahmins have in Bhajipao/rss that they couldn't even prevent an Act from being passed which even the SC opposed for being unconstitutional ans violating the principles of justice all for vote bank politics which says until oeoven innocent anyone from this community will be deemed guilty. Lol. Contrary to what you believe and despite your ignorance the 'Hindutvavadi fascist' party has more in common with Bhimrao and his views than the view that the ignoramuses in the left liberal Secular cabal would have you believe that they're a bunch of neo traditional bhagwadhaari far right fascists intent on gassing everyone they disagree with. 

 

For someone who doesn't have the first clue about most of the things he seems to be talking about and orobably sees betiyar as The madrasi Socrates, its quite natural he will find someone who speaks only facts and knows how to connect them a 'joke who lives in lala land ' based purely on the fact that it's inconvenient for him and blows a hole in his own fabulistic world view. He should stick to listening to room temperature iq deemka ideologues who masturbate to kumari kandam and Brahmin women, rahul Gandhi who has similarly pernicious but retarded views about caste censuses along with watching Dhruv tatti, ravish Kumar, the Wire on loop all day. Projection is strong in this one. 

 

 

Annamalai stands and does what any educated person who is fed up of the Neanderthals wet dream ie the current TN political landscape would do. It makes those who have thrown their lot in with the status quo feel threatened and seethe understandably. 

 

Demonstrably false and can be easily cited, both anecdotally by the testimonies of people who left TN, public statements of both the antecedents and descendants of the Dravidian movement throught a period of a century and the kind of narratives we see normalised in Tamil cinema which is in complete thrall to these ideologues till date. Something which you don't want to accept is not the same as it not happening. But then you lot would have cheered on a genocide if it happened too by saying they probably deserved it and had it coming to them. Small mercies it didn't come to that. 

 

 

 

 

[rollingstoned]

21 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

 

No, EWS only applies to general caste or Forward caste who are not part of OBC, SC, ST.

 

"No Brahmin willingly applies for it unlike other castes" 

 . Don't make me swear.

When you have multiple other reservations for other castes abs categories who get the same benefit if not more why the jealousy over EWS selecting for a specific group too? There are more criteria for availing EWS than there is any of your other gorillion reservations which even someone with a net worth of 100cr can avail. 

Edited April 17 by rollingstoned

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Clearly you haven't come to terms with your inferiority complex. If Brahmins do something, I will do it. Clearly, you accept that Brahmins have some superior moral sense to you on some level. Vedas give me license to eat beef. So I will do it. The worst form of idolatry is the idolatry of the book. This kind of thinking itself speaks volume about the position of Brahmins in warped view of Hindu/Indian Society. 

 

Maybe you have changed or maybe you haven't because you say everything in past tense.

 

This Brahmin superiority complex must be crushed. 

You have it backwards. What is written comes to be written because it was practised, not the other way round. 

There is also an entire process around how the smrits come to be codified for each Yuga also, while being descriptive and not prescriptive it's not intended to be valid till eternity. Parampara and achara are not invalid just because it may not find mention in any Shastra which is proof of it 

[rollingstoned]

29 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 From the link you shared,

 

"From Rig Veda and Atharva Veda we know that meat of a few domestic animals like sheep, goat, buffalo, bull, ox, male calf, etc, were consumed but not cow."

 

Buffalo, bull, ox, male calf are all beef. 

 

So once again,

 

Did Brahmins perform animal sacrifice in Yagnas and eat beef? Yes

 

Rig Veda is older than Mahabharata. Animal sacrifices are common during yagnas. 

 

"If early Brahmins ate beef, there is no justification or compulsion that modern day Brahmins have to eat it too. They have reformed and moved on. "

 

Who asked them to? They can practice vegetarianism. No one is forcing them physically or mentally to eat beef or any other meat.

 

Read the whole thing properly. It also debunks the bs - pun intended - you spouted where you made huge leaps to suggest that there was some grand BBQ parties which were being conducted by yeevil Brahmins who forcibly abducted peoples animals and sacrificed them. 

[mishra]

18 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Who?

Bhai, You come with most lateral thinking ideas on icf . To be honest, its a good thing. Some other angle which most cant see

[Real McCoy]

24 minutes ago, mishra said:

Bhai, You come with most lateral thinking ideas on icf . To be honest, its a good thing. Some other angle which most cant see

 

You were referring to me in that post dd you? I had no clue. You are the first person to say I'm a lateral thinker. For most of my life, I felt my thinking was like Sehwags batting. Just get in there and start cracking. That's why I liked his batting so much. I'm glad you felt that way Maybe I reserve my lateral thinking for ICF

[diga]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

 

No, EWS only applies to general caste or Forward caste who are not part of OBC, SC, ST.

 

"No Brahmin willingly applies for it unlike other castes" 

 . Don't make me swear.

So your claim of 10% for only Brahmins doesnt hold good..

 

Reservation for Brahmins within the society is still a taboo. Will try to post the stats if possible but far few Brahmins have availed it. 

 

[mishra]

35 minutes ago, diga said:

So your claim of 10% for only Brahmins doesnt hold good..

 

Reservation for Brahmins within the society is still a taboo. Will try to post the stats if possible but far few Brahmins have availed it. 

 

TBH, Brahmins are most persecuted bunch in Modern India. Reason is not that non Brahmins want to persecute the Brahmin. They still mostly see them and  treat them with respect  in Society and infact are following exactly what Brahmins did (Seek Knowledge and educate and Brahmins are not against it). After destruction of various places (Universities and temples) from where Brahmins can get guidance and prescriptions to culturally /socially evolve the society, Now they are softly blaming Brahmins for not being able to evolve the Society. My question is even others failed on their duty. Kshatriya spectacularly failed defending borders, Vaishyas spectacucularly failed Generating Weath. Kshudras spectacularly failed managing the operations of country. But Brahmins are picked.

 

Bottomline is, reason for there persecution is down to non Bharat interest of eradicating Hindu ethos and culture by employing modern soft persecution tools and remove Bhrahmins altogether who are seen like Sachin Tendulkar in batting lineup of Bharat , Hindus, India ethos and culture. And I see, Its working, Brhmins are slowly getting away from Brahminism in true sense. Question to ask is, can Bharat save its Brahmins?

Edited April 17 by mishra

[Vicks57]

12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

The chronology of Ambedkar is wrong. 

1. Buddhism isn't obligate vegetarianism, Jainism is. IF the brahmins shifted from bali-omnivory to vegetarianism, it'd be under jain influence,not buddhist. 

2. Decline of buddhism happens in three stages : stagnation, decline & extinction. The stagnation period comes after Kushan empire falls, as it is replaced by hindu kingdoms and empire, first the nagas and then the Guptas - all of whom were patrons of hinduism primarily. The decline comes at the end of the Gupta period, where traditional strongholds of buddhism in India - gandhara and pataliputra - were completely destroyed by the Huns. Xuanzong, coming to india about 100 years after the devastation by Huns, records this. Buddhism undergoes a brief revival under the Pal empire of Bengal but enters its extinction phase when Bhaktiyar khilji destroys pretty much every single buddhist university and mass murders tens of thousands of buddhist professors in a span of 10-15 years. This event is actually how Tibet became buddhist, as the few scholars who managed to evade the turks fled to Tibet - this is also why tibetan script is directly derived from bengali script and their form of buddhism- vajrayana- is the buddhism that was sponsored by the Pal empires ( prior to this, Indian empires like Kushan & Gupta supported mahayana buddhism). 

 

 

Very informative post.

 

Regarding point 1:

Brahmins wanted to one up Buddhists. Buddhists were already meat eaters (they had rules on what type of meat to consume and when to consume ) but they did not believe in yagnas and animal sacrifice. Abondaning beef and animal sacrifice would put Brahmins on equal footing with Buddhists. But Brahmins wanted to one up Buddhists. So they gave up all types of meat and switched to vegetarianism.

 

The above paragraph is Ambedkar's possible theory or rationale for  Brahmins switching to vegetarianism. He was not sure.

 

As you said, it could be Jaina influence. 

 

Regarding point 2:

 

Very interesting. Can you suggest some books to learn about this part of history?

[Vicks57]

2 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

When you have multiple other reservations for other castes abs categories who get the same benefit if not more why the jealousy over EWS selecting for a specific group too? There are more criteria for availing EWS than there is any of your other gorillion reservations which even someone with a net worth of 100cr can avail. 

 

Very beautifully out. How was I Jealous ? 

 

I have already said economic reservation is the future. OBC creamy layer come under general caste. It's the same principle for EWS. I was only pointing out how the EWS reservation was given so easily with no commission or major protests to prove the dominance of Upper castes and Brahmins in BJP, RSS.

 

Your racism is very clear. You could have used "gazillion" but you used "your other gorillion reservations". 

 

Please don't go to USA if you are not already there. Liberals in USA are already ready to equate racism with Casteism. They are looking for people like you to validate their biases and make necessary laws based on that.

 

Calling ambedkar fraud. Praising JSD. 

 

Words like "Masturbating to brahmin women",  words like "dumeel" like a I give a  flying * if you abuse the concerned political party.

 

You are a legit nut. 

 

Please don't respond to posts which I have addressed to some one else.

 

Tata bye bye

[Vicks57]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

How do you figure my "inferiority complex"? I never said anything about following after Brahmins nor did any Brahmin tell me to do so. Are you talking about my recent vegetarian habits. You sound very judgemental in this post while I was not.

 

This doesn't speak volumes of Brahmins position in our society but speaks of your ignorance of the poison that goes into your "learning". I gave an opportunity for you to do some critical thinking and not rely on someone who is not a scholar on vedic studies. Now I know its futile to make any sense to you. Adios

Clearly I highlighted the text which made to come to the conclusion. Either you didn't see it or you wanna play cute

 

"That gave me the "license" (look up the definition of this word and you will be surprised) to eat beef. If brahmins ate beef then I should eat some as well. That was my thinking."

 

Your words.

 

I was not talking about vegetarian habits. I have no idea why you are twisting my words.

 

As you said everything in past tense, I was only talking about mentality at that point of time.

 

Good luck.

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Very beautifully out. How was I Jealous ? 

 

I have already said economic reservation is the future. OBC creamy layer come under general caste. It's the same principle for EWS. I was only pointing out how the EWS reservation was given so easily with no commission or major protests to prove the dominance of Upper castes and Brahmins in BJP, RSS.

 

Your racism is very clear. You could have used "gazillion" but you used "your other gorillion reservations". 

 

Please don't go to USA if you are not already there. Liberals in USA are already ready to equate racism with Casteism. They are looking for people like you to validate their biases and make necessary laws based on that.

 

Calling ambedkar fraud. Praising JSD. 

 

Words like "Masturbating to brahmin women",  words like "dumeel" like a I give a  flying * if you abuse the concerned political party.

 

You are a legit nut. 

 

Please don't respond to posts which I have addressed to some one else.

 

Tata bye bye

Dyslexic dumdum, I didn't specifically say you per se were jealous but the fact that you have an issue with the 10% quota itself when everyone else is being promised reservations whcih stretch the 50% limit itself to breaking point does lay bare the zero-sum attitude and antipathy you and the likes of you carry with you towards what a community deems as a legitimate and reasonable demand when everyone else is also entitled to it. I guess the agreeable option in your eyes would have just been for them to curl up somewhere and die because of something that some ancestor sometime in the past may or may not have done conferring them privileges until Judgement day. Wouldn't be surprising in the slightest. 

 

There is no widely-agreed upon definition of 'OBC' let alone what it's 'creamy layer' ought to be, people and parties keep moving the Goalposts while buttering their political bread everytime they do so because they've realised that playing the caste card and blackmailing the govt so that a mai-baap relationship is maintained allows them to extracts as much benefits as they possibly can for as long as this kind of status quo holds. Never mind that within these groups also there are several other sub groups making them far from a monolith. The goal of reservations is for reservations to eventually disappear and empower people to stand on their own 2 feet, whether you do it through an agnostic or non-agnostic way by targetting specific communities is best left to the State to decide hopefully after wider consultations with civil society. Else you can enjoy the brain drain and capital flight for ever because your political expedience masquerading as a social justice crusade incentivises exactly that. 

For the umpteenth time, since it appears you are both dumb and have comprehension issues, the EWS was itself the result of a protest against the SC/ST act so there was no reason for a protest to occur against that supposed protest. Why should others care and take to the streets when they get what the EWS offers and then some if they really want it?

 

Lmao yea I am a racist because I used 'gorillion' instead of gazillion, not that as per usual your hallucinations getting the better of you. Why do you take umbrage at something which wasn't even directed at you by twisting it's meaning? 

 

Both true, my claims are not ahistoric, hard of common sense or illogical. They may seem politically incorrect but so be it. 

 

I'm not worrier about Shartmerica and IMO neither should any other Indian be, this Mandal retardation has reached American shores precisely because it didn't get called out and exposed for what it was when to took root here and now even Indians in USA wil pay for their apathy by repeating the same talking points that you are over here. Baki when you can hallucinate 786 genders that are fluid and make every effort to institutionalise it, it's not that far a leap for tortured analogies to be drawn up between caste and race, never mind that the notion of caste itself is European and not Indian. That nation has to be thrown into a proverbial incinerator now for it to heal itself so the last thing on my mind is seeking approval from and to stop any woolly headed liberal over there trying to say I'm a 'waycist' for my views. You don't need to convince and tender any apologies to someone who has already made up their mind, an advice you yourself can keep in mind. 

 

Those words and others to that effect have been and are routinely uttered by the troglodyte parties in Periyar Nadu which you seemingly don't have an issue with because you supprt them and their narratives. You reap what you sow. So far they got away because of a language gap and lack of SM but a time will come when they will be defrocked and treated like the way Kashmiri separatists are now.

 

You were the one who replied to my post which was quoting someone else btw with much the same drivel as what you posted in the Match day thread.  Should take your own advise brah. 

 

 

[Real McCoy]

3 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

Clearly I highlighted the text which made to come to the conclusion. Either you didn't see it or you wanna play cute

 

"That gave me the "license" (look up the definition of this word and you will be surprised) to eat beef. If brahmins ate beef then I should eat some as well. That was my thinking."

 

Your words.

 

I was not talking about vegetarian habits. I have no idea why you are twisting my words.

 

As you said everything in past tense, I was only talking about mentality at that point of time.

 

Good luck.

 

 I didn't see the highlight. Anyway even in the higlight, your interpretation doesn't fly. I never ate beef in my lifetime, maybe I wanted to when the opportunity came knocking. Then I saw these texts and that gave me the license. I didnt ask any brahmins if you get the drift. If someone from a religious group (hindu in this case) who is supposed to be austere is eating beef, that gives me the license IMO.

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 From the link you shared,

 

"From Rig Veda and Atharva Veda we know that meat of a few domestic animals like sheep, goat, buffalo, bull, ox, male calf, etc, were consumed but not cow."

 

Buffalo, bull, ox, male calf are all beef. 

 

So once again,

 

Did Brahmins perform animal sacrifice in Yagnas and eat beef? Yes

 

Rig Veda is older than Mahabharata. Animal sacrifices are common during yagnas. 

 

"If early Brahmins ate beef, there is no justification or compulsion that modern day Brahmins have to eat it too. They have reformed and moved on. "

 

Who asked them to? They can practice vegetarianism. No one is forcing them physically or mentally to eat beef or any other meat.

 

You missed the forest for the trees It refutes the claims that Vedas promoted beef eating and that too by Brahmins. It’s all propaganda material by western Indologists Anne marxists, is the crux of the article. I will take the word of saints and scholars who lived through the spiritual person like Panini and his explanations of Vedas rather than a western educated Marxist. Your quoted authority about Brahmin and beef is Ambedkar’s book , he was not a Sanskrit scholar and had bad discriminatory experiences with Brahmins and had biased reading into Buddhism. A lot of Buddhist have rejected his brand of godless ritualless Buddhism esp those from Eastern hemisphere. Read about Ambedkarite Buddhism. 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, diga said:

Circle jerk continues.. 

I am unaware of this reference. Educate me