Caste discussion in Indian cricket and TN cricket

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[gattaca]

12 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

Thanks for the invite mate.

 

People in the match thread were not really into the caste discussion. They just wanted to have fun. Nothing wrong with it.

 

There are educated people who still think they are some descendents of a famous warrior of their caste.

 

Brahmin gatekeeping of cricket in TN is a real thing. 

 

Muslims and Sikhs always had representation in the national team. Some people want to lump them with the non-brahmin Hindus. But I disagree.

 

Non-Brahmin Hindus had no representation some time back.

 

All the OBCs  who have represented India since 2004 have come from North India. Kudos to them.

 

Hopefully South Indian Non-Brahmin Hindus start representing in the next couple of years.

 

This Brahmin lobby must be dismantled in TN cricket board sooner than later.

Is it Brahmin lobby or More DMK propaganda? DMK has been ruling TN state for long time. The justice party folks have humiliated Brahmins in Salem. Brahmins were ahead because they got educated and got jobs in British raj and subsequently had more hold over jobs in Indian government. After so many years of reservations and DMK how are still people are crying Brahmins rule everything ? I am not a Brahmin. But why do people of TN make it about Brahmins ? 

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[Gollum]

One question to people residing in TN. Is cricket mostly played by Brahmins in TN? Especially coaching centres and all. 

 

Is it a case of Brahmins preferring cricket, some other caste preferring  hockey, football, volleyball etc. Like how in Odisha, Jharkhand, mostly adivasis play hockey.....how in Punjab only rural folks play it, or Muslims in Bhopal. Tamil Brahmins are mostly veggie, hence maybe mostly spinners or batsmen (Nattu is definitely non-Brahmin since his parents are butchers I read, L Balaji another pacer too non-Brahmin I think). Dunno, eager to hear what others say. I think other castes gaining prominence in TN cricket will make them a stronger pool of talent, and fast bowlers may emerge. 

 

Again when it comes to Brahmins, can't compare an Iyer/Iyengar with a Saraswat Brahmin or Bengali Brahmin. Sachin too is a Brahmin but his dietary habits will be much different than Ashwin's. In Bengal, Brahmins are voracious meat eaters, in Assam I have seen devout Brahmins eat even buffalo beef. 

[Gollum]

I don't think there is a bias at individual level, what is there to gain? And Iyengars and Iyers have their own mahayudh. Within castes you'll have sub castes, then sub sub castes. 

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[Real McCoy]

19 minutes ago, mishra said:

I saw the thread tile and then I thought I will look at name of person who contributed to opening the thread. Then I thought OK

 

Who?

[coffee_rules]

19 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Can you name the sources of your information for the highlighted text. Jallikattu sport we know the practice is for breeding purposes

 

DMK . Marxist, Leftists  literature. 

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[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

Source: The Untouchables by ambedkar

 

Did Brahmins eat beef? Yes

 

Did Brahmins sacrifice cattle to do their yagnas ? Yes

 

Why did they shift to vegetarianism? To one up Buddhists - possible rationale given by B.R. Ambedkar.

 

Btw, Brahmins were skillful butchers as well.

 

Source: The decline and fall of Buddhism by jamnadas

 

"At one time even the Brahmins must have had the skill of skinning the animals, when, as Ambedkar puts it, "For the Brahmin every day was a beef-steak day". Ambedkar has discussed this topic in great detail with quotations from Atreya Brahmana and concludes: "Brahmins were not merely beef-eaters but they were also butchers". But they lost this skill when they became vegetarians in order to outsmart the Buddhists. [W&S, 7, 335 ff.] Therefore, during the days of decline of Buddhism, as a part of Kalivarjya changes in laws during the so called Rajput period, say from 900 - 1200 A.D., we find a restriction on the Brahmins, not to kill the animals themselves, and they were prohibited from becoming a "shyamitra", i.e. one who kills animals by strangling or suffocating, during a yajnya. [Kane: 1965: 1002]  "

 

Read the answer given by historian on "slaughter"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/the-cow-was-neither-unslayable-nor-sacred-in-the-vedic-period/article23593282.ece/amp/

 

Book of the same historian:

https://sanskritdocuments.org/sites/gomAtA/The-Myth-of-the-Holy-Cow.pdf

 

Literally the first chapter talks about animal sacrifice.

 

Another excerpt from ambedkar's books:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/books/why-did-the-brahmins-become-vegetarian-br-ambedkar-asks-in-this-excerpt-from-beef-brahmins-and-broken-men-an-annotated-critical-selection-from-the-untouchables/article30208983.ece/amp/

 

 

Book : Riddles of Hinduism by ambedkar page: 158

 

Among the ancient Aryans there was well established procedure of reception to be given to a guest which is known as Madhuparka the detailed descriptions regarding which will be found in the various Grihya Sutras. According to most of the Grihya Sutras there are six persons who deserve Madhuparka. Namely (1) Ritvij or the Brahmin called to perform a sacrifice, (2) Acharya, the teacher, (3) the Bridegroom, (4) The King, (5) The Snatak, the student who has just finished his studies at the Gurukul and (6) Any person who is dear to the host. Some add Atithi to this list. Except in the case of the Ritvij, King and Acharya, Madhuparka is to be offered to the rest once in a year. To the Ritvij, King and Acharya it is to be offered each time they come. The procedure consisted first in washing by the host the feet of his guest, then the offer of the Madhuparka and the drinking of it by the quest accompanied by certain Mantras. 

 

 

 

The chronology of Ambedkar is wrong. 

1. Buddhism isn't obligate vegetarianism, Jainism is. IF the brahmins shifted from bali-omnivory to vegetarianism, it'd be under jain influence,not buddhist. 

2. Decline of buddhism happens in three stages : stagnation, decline & extinction. The stagnation period comes after Kushan empire falls, as it is replaced by hindu kingdoms and empire, first the nagas and then the Guptas - all of whom were patrons of hinduism primarily. The decline comes at the end of the Gupta period, where traditional strongholds of buddhism in India - gandhara and pataliputra - were completely destroyed by the Huns. Xuanzong, coming to india about 100 years after the devastation by Huns, records this. Buddhism undergoes a brief revival under the Pal empire of Bengal but enters its extinction phase when Bhaktiyar khilji destroys pretty much every single buddhist university and mass murders tens of thousands of buddhist professors in a span of 10-15 years. This event is actually how Tibet became buddhist, as the few scholars who managed to evade the turks fled to Tibet - this is also why tibetan script is directly derived from bengali script and their form of buddhism- vajrayana- is the buddhism that was sponsored by the Pal empires ( prior to this, Indian empires like Kushan & Gupta supported mahayana buddhism). 

 

[Lone Wolf]

12 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

The chronology of Ambedkar is wrong. 

1. Buddhism isn't obligate vegetarianism, Jainism is. IF the brahmins shifted from bali-omnivory to vegetarianism, it'd be under jain influence,not buddhist. 

2. Decline of buddhism happens in three stages : stagnation, decline & extinction. The stagnation period comes after Kushan empire falls, as it is replaced by hindu kingdoms and empire, first the nagas and then the Guptas - all of whom were patrons of hinduism primarily. The decline comes at the end of the Gupta period, where traditional strongholds of buddhism in India - gandhara and pataliputra - were completely destroyed by the Huns. Xuanzong, coming to india about 100 years after the devastation by Huns, records this. Buddhism undergoes a brief revival under the Pal empire of Bengal but enters its extinction phase when Bhaktiyar khilji destroys pretty much every single buddhist university and mass murders tens of thousands of buddhist professors in a span of 10-15 years. This event is actually how Tibet became buddhist, as the few scholars who managed to evade the turks fled to Tibet - this is also why tibetan script is directly derived from bengali script and their form of buddhism- vajrayana- is the buddhism that was sponsored by the Pal empires ( prior to this, Indian empires like Kushan & Gupta supported mahayana buddhism). 

 

Mihirkula the Hun King completely destroyed Buddhism in North India....  He probably was the most devastating Emperor India had ever seen in Ancient times...  Built a huge number of Shiv Temples in Kashmir though. 

[Vilander]

On 4/15/2024 at 12:16 PM, Real McCoy said:

@Vilander come on down

 

Hey fella how are you 

[Vilander]

On 4/15/2024 at 11:18 AM, Real McCoy said:

PS – I'm also inviting @New guy for comic relief. He is as woke as woke can be, furiously typing on the keyboard fighting for social justice like a male feminist in the neighborhood writer's cafe.

 That made me lol with coffee yes new guy lol god he was woke is he still around my two cents right I remember his article got me into this site..