Gambhir picks his all time India ODI XI

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

he played with Rohit too and hes easily better than both him and Sehwag

 

At the time Rohit wasn't anywhere close to anyone in that team. Rohit came into his own in mid 2010s - around 2015 or so. Between the period Gambhir played (2006 to 2012) that was the best team. Probably Harbhajan instead of Kumble but that's about it. Can't find fault with the team in that period else someone like Irfan would never make it.

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Can't find fault with the team in that period else someone like Irfan would never make it.

IP is among the top 10 best LO pacers we've ever had, if you include his batting easily a top 5 A/R - if he doesn't get included probably no one post 2k (A/R) would get in either!

[Ultimate_Game]

41 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

IP is among the top 10 best LO pacers we've ever had, if you include his batting easily a top 5 A/R - if he doesn't get included probably no one post 2k (A/R) would get in either!

 

Yup, Kapil is the best pace all-rounder and after that we have Irfan and Pandya. In an ODI XI across all time periods, Kapil takes that spot. Irfan made it to Gambhir's team as he was the best option during that time else he's nowhere close to Kapil, and probably Pandya shades him as well.

[express bowling]

1. Sehwag

2. Rohit

3. Tendulkar 

4. Kohli

5. Yuvraj

6. Dhoni (c) ( wk) 

7. Kapil

8. Axar .. for batting depth cum 2nd spinner

9. Bumrah

10. Shami

11. Kuldeep 

Edited September 6, 2024 by express bowling

[Lord]

My XI 

 

Sachin

Rohit

Kohli

Yuvi

MSD

Kapil

Irfan

Kumble

Zak

Shami

Bumrah

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

My XI 

 

Sachin

Rohit

Kohli

Yuvi

MSD

Kapil

Irfan

Kumble

Zak

Shami

Bumrah

irfan?. So basically 6 batsman and maybe one all rounder and rest r dumbos with bat. Whats ur age again?

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, Lord said:

My XI 

 

Sachin

Rohit

Kohli

Yuvi

MSD

Kapil

Irfan

Kumble

Zak

Shami

Bumrah

So kapil-bumrah can be mostly miss than hit. So 4 reliable batsman. Even yuvi is not reliable 

Edited September 6, 2024 by Chaos

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

irfan?. So basically 6 batsman and maybe one all rounder and rest r dumbos with bat. Whats ur age again?

 

post your XI instead of doing RR

[Chaos]

My xi:

 

rohit 

sachin

kohli

sehwag

dhoni (c) (wk)

We need a leftie soo…yuvi (spinner)

kapil dev

bumrah

shami

kulddep

pandya

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, Chaos said:

My xi:

 

rohit 

sachin

kohli

sehwag

dhoni (c) (wk)

We need a leftie soo…yuvi (spinner)

kapil dev

bumrah

shami

kulddep

pandya

 

 

 

 

 

Sehwag at 4, Pandya at 11 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Sehwag at 4, Pandya at 11 

Yep. In my team thats the best he will get and that effer is actualllly gonna work for it

[zen]

I will give it a shot below, where if I feel that a group of players are in the same tier, I might opt for my favorite. To make an 11 interesting, it is also a good idea to throw in a player that not many expect. 
 

Top order 

 

Sehwag - attacks from ball one. In fact, likes to hit the first ball for a 4, and even reach a 100 with a 6! Forget anything else, should be in for his attitude! Can bowl off-spin too.

 

Rohit - makes a debut in my 11 as he has begun to play more attacking cricket in power play.

 

Kohli - overall, a solid batsman at #3. Can get bogged down against spin so better to slot him in the top order … Sidhu misses out! I used to enjoy him hitting 6s off spinners!

 

Middle order 

 

Sachin - slotted in the MO, where he tends to bat in the tests. Also he is equally good against both pace and spin. 

 

Yuvi - a left hander, who can hit big and bowl spin.

 

Dhoni - c & wk

 

Kapil - as the all rounder. Rewarded for his performances in the ‘83 World Cup and ‘85 World Series tournament. 

 

Bowlers 

 

Srinath - was among the fastest bowlers in the 1999 World Cup. Gave a good performance in the 2003 World Cup as well (apart from the final where the entire bowling attack was taken to the cleaners). He can swing his bat too. In 1996, he was sent at #3 as a pinch hitter against SA where he scored a 50, but India was bundled out for a poor 185.

 

Zak - as the left arm pace option.

 

Shami - for his wicket taking ability. 

Bumrah - for his versatility. 

Gone with an all pace attack. Most of them can be good with the old ball as well.  I am not picking specialist spinners for the sake of playing spinners (Only if Warne were an option).
 

Sehwag and Yuvi, along with Sachin, to bowl spin if required. On a spin friendly surface, will replace a few pacers with spinners. 
 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2024 by zen

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

ODI 11 without Kap Dev and has only 2 pace bowlers. 

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Damn you love pandya's cricket this much

well need balance so yea. 7 bowlers :)

[Lord]

9 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Irfan doesn't cut it and Kumble is more of a safe option than a wicket taker 

 

Its Irfan v Jadeja at no. 7. Kumble is our best ever ODI spinner. Kuldeep might overtake him but not yet there.

[Majestic]

Most of the teams posted are awful. Here is by far the best Indian ODI all time XI:-

 

Rohit Sharma 

Sachin Tendulkar

Saurav Ganguly 

Virat Kohli

Yuvraj Singh 

Mahendra Singh Dhoni(c/wkt)

Kapil Dev 

Anil Kumble

Zaheer Khan 

Mohammad Shami 

Jasprit Bumrah 

 

Ganguly averages 52 in ODIs at #3 and Kohli has great record at #3 and #4 both. He played some of his best knocks at #4 only.

 

5 proper bowlers + Yuvi + Sachin + Ganguly are enough bowling options. Actually, everyone in the team can bowl. If we play blindfold and get to chose a bowler randomly, my team will still have an edge.

[zen]

8 hours ago, Majestic said:

 

Saurav Ganguly 

Anil Kumble

 

Ganguly averages 52 in ODIs at #3 and Kohli has great record at #3 and #4 both. He played some of his best knocks at #4 only.

 

For many, there are question marks over Ganguly’s ability to handle high quality all-time level pace bowling, where a top team would have 3-4 strong pace bowlers. He was not too fluent on the leg side as well. There was this series against Pak in India in 1999 where he struggled to handle Pak pacers. In the final, India adapted a policy to attack and were 4 down in no time.

 

When picking a batsman, one needs to see if he can bring in either high strike rate batting or relative consistency (if not both), or some skills such as clutch quality, against good bowling attacks. Ganguly appears to be neither here nor there. 
 

As a utility player, his bowling does not bring anything special to the line up and that too when you already have 4 pace or medium pace bowlers in the 11. If you had an additional specialist spinner in the 11, maybe a case could have been made.

Kumble was not that effective once batsmen started to play him like a seamer. I think it was Arvinda who made the remark that Kumble is to be not played like a spinner. Without spin friendly pitches, he is likely to be relatively less effective esp. against strong batting line ups. 
 

Though good to see your faith in them. Appears as if Statsguru played a key role in your picks. 

 

Rest of your line up has more or less common players with others. 

 

Edited September 8, 2024 by zen

[Majestic]

38 minutes ago, zen said:

For many, there are question marks over Ganguly’s ability to handle high quality all-time level pace bowling, where a top team would have 3-4 strong pace bowlers. He was not too fluent on the leg side as well. There was this series against Pak in India in 1999 where he struggled to handle Pak pacers. In the final, India adapted a policy to attack and were 4 down in no time.

 

When picking a batsman, one needs to see if he can bring in either high strike rate batting or relative consistency (if not both), or some skills such as clutch quality, against good bowling attacks. Ganguly appears to be neither here nor there. 
 

As a utility player, his bowling does not bring anything special to the line up and that too when you already have 4 pace or medium pace bowlers in the 11. If you had an additional specialist spinner in the 11, maybe a case could have been made.

Kumble was not that effective once batsmen started to play him like a seamer. I think it was Arvinda who made the remark that Kumble is to be not played like a spinner. Without spin friendly pitches, he is likely to be relatively less effective esp. against strong batting line ups. 
 

Though good to see your faith in them. Appears as if Statsguru played a key role in your picks. 

 

Rest of your line up has more or less common players with others. 

 

Ganguly was considered as king of off- side. Players like him bring a different energy to the side which can't be measured with stats, his astute leadership and the quality to get into the nerves of opposition teams. He was an impact player and makes a difference with his very presence in the team. Additionally ,he was a very consistent batsman who in today's era would average 50+ with bat and capable of destroying spin bowling pretty much like anyone in Indian team can do.

 

A great team isn't led by one individual. It requires multiple players to form a strong leadership core and work for the benefit of the team. Some posters remember the older version of Ganguly, who got involved into building team strategy and planning so much that he couldn't focus on evolving his game as batsman and as a result, in the latter part of his career, he was probably a worse ODI batsman than even Dravid. But in the 90s and early 00s, it was a different case altogether.

 

Ganguly formed a formidable opening pair with Sachin and was rated among the best ODI batsman in the world. 11.5k ODIs runs at average of 42 puts him in league of big guys which not many outside the XI I listed belonged to.

[zen]

25 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Ganguly was considered as king of off- side. Players like him bring a different energy to the side which can't be measured with stats, his astute leadership and the quality to get into the nerves of opposition teams. He was an impact player and makes a difference with his very presence in the team. Additionally ,he was a very consistent batsman who in today's era would average 50+ with bat and capable of destroying spin bowling pretty much like anyone in Indian team can do.

 

A great team isn't led by one individual. It requires multiple players to form a strong leadership core and work for the benefit of the team. Some posters remember the older version of Ganguly, who got involved into building team strategy and planning so much that he couldn't focus on evolving his game as batsman and as a result, in the latter part of his career, he was probably a worse ODI batsman than even Dravid. But in the 90s and early 00s, it was a different case altogether.

 

Ganguly formed a formidable opening pair with Sachin and was rated among the best ODI batsman in the world. 11.5k ODIs runs at average of 42 puts him in league of big guys which not many outside the XI I listed belonged to.

There was a difference b/w Ganguly’s ability to handle top pace bowling and his peers such as Sachin, and Dravid & Laxman (as seen in tests). 
 

Yes, he was good on the off side but good bowlers also learned to restrict him with bowling into the body where he would more often than not look for a single. 
 

The point is not really if Ganguly is good or bad, but is he better than available options. Does he add value as a utility cricketer based on the composition of the 11, and so on. 
 

And that is why he does not sound like a good pick, imo, esp. in the set up that you have (with 4 pace or medium pace bowlers). He is more or less a specialist batsman.
 

But this is a fun exercise so if you are happy with your 11, remain happy!

Edited September 8, 2024 by zen