Will Hinduism become extinct?

[Muloghonto]

5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Not specific to Hinduism; it mainly talks about the exodus from Christianity, but there are some general points made, so it is tangentially related to this thread.

 

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/why_people_quit_religion_and_how_they_find_meaning_again

 

Yes, it's from UC Berkeley, the bastion of libbu thinking that we all love to hate, but an interesting read nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

These projections are 99.99% bakwaas. 

Reason being, the math to these projections are ALWAYS taken as a static numberof immigrants ( to extrapolate population % over time that are immigrants originally, etc) and those numbers ALWAYS keep going up signiicantly in a 5 year window since the so-called projections came out, throwing all numbers outta whack.Doesnt matter if its UCBerkley or Harvard or PEW doing this. 

Reality is, almost all immigrant driven metrics are far stronger than projections are, because the intake of immgirants keeps going up, which keeps blowing up a binomial growth rate that is population growth rate. 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Your data literally shows otherwise in terms of relative decline. 

Already acknowledged. Read note between graph 1 and 2

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

 

These projections are 99.99% bakwaas. 

Reason being, the math to these projections are ALWAYS taken as a static numberof immigrants ( to extrapolate population % over time that are immigrants originally, etc) and those numbers ALWAYS keep going up signiicantly in a 5 year window since the so-called projections came out, throwing all numbers outta whack.Doesnt matter if its UCBerkley or Harvard or PEW doing this. 

Reality is, almost all immigrant driven metrics are far stronger than projections are, because the intake of immgirants keeps going up, which keeps blowing up a binomial growth rate that is population growth rate. 

 

There's only 1 projection made. By 2070 Christianity ceases to be the majority religion in the US. So you're referring to that?

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Your data literally shows otherwise in terms of relative decline. 

Significant declines? 

 

If these data ain't cutting it, then where are the data that do show a significant decline?

 

Hinduism has survived 5000+ yrs.. Not seeing any significant decline relative or absolute, except for the fertility rate data above 

Edited September 26, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict

[Muloghonto]

15 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Significant declines? 

 

If these data ain't cutting it, then where are the data that do show a significant decline?

 

Hinduism has survived 5000+ yrs.. Not seeing any significant decline relative or absolute, except for the fertility rate data above 

When growth rate of X is 0.2% and of y is 0.4%, then x is declining relative to the whole. 
Your data clear-cut shows tht hinduism will decline as a global % in the next few decades. 

Also, there is not much pride to be had in just survival, when the goal is to thrive. An ideology isnt worth much if it can only survive. For it to be worth something, it also has to thrive. 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

14 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

When growth rate of X is 0.2% and of y is 0.4%, then x is declining relative t

Already acknowledged under that graph in my original post. 

 

So lower fertility rate is about the only reason for decline. How significant is that going to be?

 

The original premise of the thread is extinction. Not seeing any good data to worry about that in the short term.

 

If we are talking 50000 yrs, sure. But no current ideology will have survived that, so it's all moot. 

Edited September 26, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Already acknowledged under that graph in my original post. 

I cant see it for some reason, i see graphs stuck together with nothing in between. 

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

So lower fertility rate is about the only reason for decline. How significant is that going to be?

 

The original premise of the thread is extinction. Not seeing any good data to worry about that in the short term.

 

If we are talking 50000 yrs, sure. But no current ideology will have survived that, so it's all moot. 

thats called applying old model to new paradigm. 
50,000 years is too little time for ideologies to exist in the paradigm, in my view, because i expect most/significant % of ideologies today to exist as long as humans exist, even if it is another 100 million years, because we now have a means of mass propagation & mass storage of information, that even with cataclysmic civilizational failure to a near global extinction event ( such as Lake Toba event for eg) wont necessarily get rid of most of the ideological information we have. 

 

I mean if religons like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, christianity can sustain itself for thousands of years in an era where less than 5% of people were literate and any literary material like a piece of parchment cost as much as half a month of a peasant's salary, then that can be easily increased by a factor of 10-1000 in presence of such mass communication technology that is rather simple to sustain and propagate throughout time. 

 

[diga]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Significant declines? 

 

If these data ain't cutting it, then where are the data that do show a significant decline?

 

Hinduism has survived 5000+ yrs.. Not seeing any significant decline relative or absolute, except for the fertility rate data above 

Times are significantly different now.. From Turkey to Indonesia, only place Hinduism is surviving is India. We dont have street power and that will result in the decline faster. Absolute decline in Pak & Bangla will be a testimony to that

[Chaos]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:14 AM, Muloghonto said:

Classic western slave: thinks that what westerners attribute an indian practice to, is more valid than what indians attribute it to. must be result of your inferior western ideologies like socialism infecting your brain.

 

Areyyyy bonobo u back @zen

[zen]

25 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Areyyyy bonobo u back @zen

He seeks to somehow link random stuff that he studied at his Bonobo Uni to a topic. 

Poor guy has not yet transitioned to the practical world from the theoretical world.

Edited September 28, 2024 by zen

[coffee_rules]

On 9/24/2024 at 7:02 PM, AKane said:

Well at least Draupadi and the Pandavas were looked after....after them there was not much  attention left to be spared for Hindus by the "protector" element of the trinity. .

You are a candidate for going spiritual. You should read Bhagavadgita

 and go spiritual rather read stories and take them on face value. Your argument is of a 12-year old. Binary thought is not what Mahabharata is about. Krishna is not Jesus to say worship me and I will forgive all your sins and take you to pearly gates after death

Edited September 28, 2024 by coffee_rules

[AKane]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

You are a candidate for going spiritual. You should read Bhagavadgita

 and go spiritual rather read stories and take them on face value. Your argument is of a 12-year old. Binary thought is not what Mahabharata is about. Krishna is not Jesus to say worship me and I will forgive all your sins and take you to pearly gates after death

When 100s of millions of people in a nation don't have the dignity of using a proper toilet no amount of flowery speech or insults matter. There are many places in the world far cleaner and people living with more dignity and they have never read the Bhagavad Gita..... so take a hike.

 

Whatever little Jesus said and whatever immense Krishna said - look at the world map. Just look at it.

From Norway to New Zealand is Christianity. From Alaska to Argentina is Christianity. But don't take my 12 year old word for it - check it for yourself with all the wisdom Krishna has given you.

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by AKane

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, zen said:

He seeks to somehow link random stuff that he studied at his Bonobo Uni to a topic. 

Poor guy has not yet transitioned to the practical world from the theoretical world.

bonobo uni . Ugly bono disappears fast

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, AKane said:

When 100s of millions of people in a nation don't have the dignity of using a proper toilet no amount of flowery speech or insults matter. There are many places in the world far cleaner and people living with more dignity and they have never read the Bhagavad Gita..... so take a hike.

 

Whatever little Jesus said and whatever immense Krishna said - look at the world map. Just look at it.

From Norway to New Zealand is Christianity. From Alaska to Argentina is Christianity. But don't take my 12 year old word for it - check it for yourself with all the wisdom Krishna has given you.

 

It's easier to organize and command an army which listens to "one master".

[coffee_rules]

40 minutes ago, AKane said:

When 100s of millions of people in a nation don't have the dignity of using a proper toilet no amount of flowery speech or insults matter. There are many places in the world far cleaner and people living with more dignity and they have never read the Bhagavad Gita..... so take a hike.

 

Whatever little Jesus said and whatever immense Krishna said - look at the world map. Just look at it.

From Norway to New Zealand is Christianity. From Alaska to Argentina is Christianity. But don't take my 12 year old word for it - check it for yourself with all the wisdom Krishna has given you.

 

First you praise Bible thumpers and now praising the predatory religion that promoted slavery, colonization of the world and they want to convert the last frontier India. As the OP says very soon with believers like you, Hinduism will be well preserved.. in museums like many pagan religions that Christianity devoured.

[AKane]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

First you praise Bible thumpers and now praising the predatory religion that promoted slavery, colonization of the world and they want to convert the last frontier India. As the OP says very soon with believers like you, Hinduism will be well preserved.. in museums like many pagan religions that Christianity devoured.

Weep some more. I just look at results over history and make up my own sweet mind. Oh yes....I care more about poor little kids selling trinkets on the road in India at 10 pm instead of Yudhisthir and Arjun and Bhagavad Gitas recited to them by the powers that be.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, AKane said:

Weep some more. I just look at results over history and make up my own sweet mind. Oh yes....I care more about poor little kids selling trinkets on the road in India at 10 pm instead of Yudhisthir and Arjun and Bhagavad Gitas recited to them by the powers that be.

So in other words, you think those who've been ahead for 300 years via genocide, mass murder and waging war in name of god is a better choice than those who've been ahead for the prior 3000 years who dont do such **** things. got it. 

 

[AKane]

14 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's easier to organize and command an army which listens to "one master".

Man I just look at history. When the same army from a small island comes 5000 miles away and rules us for 100+ years, there is something right about that army and its philosophy/religion and something wrong about us and ours.

 

Just look at history and maps and never mind stories of past glory. TIred of those and the corrupt Gods as much as I am tired of corrupt pols.

[zen]

39 minutes ago, AKane said:

When 100s of millions of people in a nation don't have the dignity of using a proper toilet

The subcon has relatively low hygiene standards in general. Even the sacred river Ganga has been turned into almost a sewer. The areas surrounding most temples are likely to be dirty. 
 

“This attitude” is unrelated to the religion, which talk about cleanliness. Drive though non-Hindu areas to see how unhealthy they appear.

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, AKane said:

Man I just look at history. When the same army from a small island comes 5000 miles away and rules us for 100+ years, there is something right about that army and its philosophy/religion and something wrong about us and ours.

 

Just look at history and maps and never mind stories of past glory. TIred of those and the corrupt Gods as much as I am tired of corrupt pols.

It's not about our religion only.
Historically ancient Greek and Nordic religions were polytheistic as well. Heck, it was the Roman Empire which crucified Jesus.
Once Constantine converted, within a span for decades the entire Roman Empire became Christian.

Even before the small island folks came up, we were attacked by Arabs, Uzbeks, who were earlier plundered by Chengiz Kahn (another polytheistic) and his army. But they all converted to monotheistic religion and became part of the raids on India. We were already significantly weaker when the small island army came to power,our last Hindu empire (the Maratha Empire) too was broken into 5 diff parts (Holkar in Indore, Bhonsle in Nagpur, Gaekwad in Gujrat, Peshwa in Satara and Scindia in Gwalior). 

Edited September 28, 2024 by singhvivek141