vayuu1 Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 Chinese defense industry has made huge strides and this is a seismic shift which should raise alarm bells in india too, So they have 2 prototypes of sixth gen fighters along with 300+ j20 5th gen fighters along with some j35 planning to give 40 j35 to pak in next 24 months while imported airforce is still busy in negotiating 114 4.5 genmrfa and if hopefully everything works we will see a prototype of amca mk1 in 2028 and not to forget 4.5gen tejas mk1A diga and raki05 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 The book "Skunkworks by Ben Rich" is an interesting read about stealth development.. plasma stealth is the use of ionized gas to reduce radar cross section visible through radar reflection. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 Another report in today's newspaper is about the revival of Chinese plan to control water from brahmaputra by building a dam near Arunachal border... Apparently project cost is 137b$. Does India even spend that much in a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted December 27, 2024 Author Share Posted December 27, 2024 2 minutes ago, diga said: Another report in today's newspaper is about the revival of Chinese plan to control water from brahmaputra by building a dam near Arunachal border... Apparently project cost is 137b$. Does India even spend that much in a year? Yep this is going to be the biggest dam ever,india do spend more than this but china is a 18.7 trillion dollar economy while we are yet to touch 4 ,there defence budget officially is 475 b$ unofficially according to us experts it is 800 b$ while ours is 80 bn$ they spend 1 trillion dollar on R&D while we spend peanuts compared to this Vijy and raki05 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted December 27, 2024 Author Share Posted December 27, 2024 (edited) https://idrw.org/ Go through this and one can see how indian defence analyst as well as experts and authorities are worried about this Edited December 27, 2024 by vayuu1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vijy Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 1 hour ago, vayuu1 said: Yep this is going to be the biggest dam ever,india do spend more than this but china is a 18.7 trillion dollar economy while we are yet to touch 4 ,there defence budget officially is 475 b$ unofficially according to us experts it is 800 b$ while ours is 80 bn$ they spend 1 trillion dollar on R&D while we spend peanuts compared to this I think they spend more than 1 trillion on R&D, going by what I have seen in their univs and research institutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 Maybe not India immediately. Taiwan is going in next 2 years. Then it's one on one with US. It's unavoidable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 2 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Maybe not India immediately. Taiwan is going in next 2 years. Then it's one on one with US. It's unavoidable now. Tyson vs Fury ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 The best india can do atm is have 400 upgraded mki to super sukhoi standard, 200 rafale and 100 tejas 1a in the next decade...atleast maintain strength in terms of numbers. Retire stop gaps like mig 29. We dont even have a gen 5. Ours are 4.5... India will have to buy off the rack or join the japanese italian and uk project or the franco german project as a junior partner. Amca is a non starter... The delay in Ge engines from the usa just highlights why usa in this segment of defence is a non starter. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 What worries me is that there is no joint up thinking.You currently have three jets. The mki the tejas 1a and the rafale that will be the backbone untill around 2040. Mk2 and amca knowing india wont be around for a while.Rafale cost is high and France now have enough buyers not to slide much on price. When india negociated 36 the Rafale used to be the butt of jokes compared to the f35 and eurofighter. Mostly india will float a tender which will take 2 years to close. Tejas 1a GE are dragging their feet (usa getting back at India) and the kaveri engine is years away from development.So why the fudge is india not locking down the mki upgrade deal and increasing availability from 260 to 400? You have production lines ready to support 20 jets a year. You can incorporate the astra and brahmos on it. Upgrade will focus on engine and radar. Yes the jet has its flaws but its much better than no jet. The upgrade with astra will easily best the jf17. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush....india seems to be too focused on the bush...Sent from my SM-S928B using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zen Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 Ind is playing catch up. I had a thread on how militaries are going high tech: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 5 hours ago, zen said: Ind is playing catch up. I had a thread on how militaries are going high tech: If you follow the war in ukraine its Old fashioned artillary + high tech drones which are determining gains/losses in territory. One thing india has done well under the Modi gov is bolster the 155mm and rocket artillary. The drones india needs to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 India in response has started immediate construction of Dr Ambedkar statue in holy land of Gujarat zen and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: If you follow the war in ukraine its Old fashioned artillary + high tech drones which are determining gains/losses in territory. One thing india has done well under the Modi gov is bolster the 155mm and rocket artillary. The drones india needs to do better. Threat to India is China and its backed Pak. If a war like situation arises, we would be hit with hypersonic weapons. Gen 5/6 fighters would make the radar systems obsolete iirc (as I have not delved into such topics off late). At this point in time, India cannot last for long on a two front war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 47 minutes ago, zen said: Threat to India is China and its backed Pak. If a war like situation arises, we would be hit with hypersonic weapons. Gen 5/6 fighters would make the radar systems obsolete iirc (as I have not delved into such topics off late). At this point in time, India cannot last for long on a two front war. The j20 struggled in the thin air above the himalayas in the recent skirmish. So much so that iaf was able to shut any chinese aggresion in the air with an mig29. Ultimately a lot of this from china remains untested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted December 31, 2024 Author Share Posted December 31, 2024 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: The j20 struggled in the thin air above the himalayas in the recent skirmish. So much so that iaf was able to shut any chinese aggresion in the air with an mig29. Ultimately a lot of this from china remains untested. Problem is China targets to have 500 j20 by 2030 and 1000 by 2040 along with J 31 and j35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 3 hours ago, vayuu1 said: Problem is China targets to have 500 j20 by 2030 and 1000 by 2040 along with J 31 and j35 they can meet those targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 21 hours ago, zen said: Threat to India is China and its backed Pak. If a war like situation arises, we would be hit with hypersonic weapons. Gen 5/6 fighters would make the radar systems obsolete iirc (as I have not delved into such topics off late). At this point in time, India cannot last for long on a two front war. That's why making peace with China is a wise call. All these ladli behan Yojanas and freebie stuff like that has pushed India at least a decade back. Economy is fractured. As seen in recent conflicts around the world... India must invest heavily in home made Armed drones and UAVs. A border skirmish with Pakistan will seriously test our preparedness. If Indian Navy which holds a big edge over PN doesn't gets involved a border war would be a battle of attrition atp especially in Kashmir. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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