SL tour to NZ

[vvvslaxman]

2nd ODI Hamilton.

 

Just started watching.> Damn santner hits Asitha for 102 meter six.

[Lord]

Santner is captain wow

[deepdynamo]

NZ will cook us again in CT. 

[Lord]

Just now, deepdynamo said:

NZ will cook us again in CT. 

 

nah we'll win and media will portray it as 'revenge' just like the WT20 dead rubber game v Aus was called so 

[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

nah we'll win and media will portray it as 'revenge' just like the WT20 dead rubber game v Aus was called so 

People know media is childish,slowly the zombies are also getting it

[Nikhil_cric]

This is why this population argument is so bogus. 

 

Will Young was mediocre for many years before he finally started delivering after the age of 30.

 

Mark Chapman hasn't cut it in ODI cricket and he's 30 but they are giving him plenty of opportunity at #3 in bilateral cricket.

 

NZ can invest time and resources into their players till they get significantly better .

 

Similar story with Jacob Duffy etc 

 

Too many players in your system is actually a curse. 

 

 

[rollingstoned]

8 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This is why this population argument is so bogus. 

 

Will Young was mediocre for many years before he finally started delivering after the age of 30.

 

Mark Chapman hasn't cut it in ODI cricket and he's 30 but they are giving him plenty of opportunity at #3 in bilateral cricket.

 

NZ can invest time and resources into their players till they get significantly better .

 

Similar story with Jacob Duffy etc 

 

Too many players in your system is actually a curse. 

 

 

You can only have a pool of 15-20 players who are at international level max even if you have 10 bn people, that point of diminishing returns comes at some juncture.

Brazil should always wipe the floor with every European team in football regardless across any period if that is the most important factor. 

Edited January 8 by rollingstoned

[deepdynamo]

8 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This is why this population argument is so bogus. 

 

Will Young was mediocre for many years before he finally started delivering after the age of 30.

 

Mark Chapman hasn't cut it in ODI cricket and he's 30 but they are giving him plenty of opportunity at #3 in bilateral cricket.

 

NZ can invest time and resources into their players till they get significantly better .

 

Similar story with Jacob Duffy etc 

 

Too many players in your system is actually a curse. 

 

 

 

What we can do in our system with huge number of cricketers playing is to limit the longevity factor of players and encouraging specialists in format.

 

So no more superstars playing for 15- 20 years and blocking pathway for future generations. No more KL type of players who keep coming back even with medicore results. No more Pant type players who excels in one format and find themselves in other formats based on that.

 

The focus should be short, crisp and peak format specific career of the players which is generally around 6-8 years between the age of 22-32.

 

[Lord]

 

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

In general, goras are such natural athletes man, fantastic. 

[Gollum]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:11 PM, rollingstoned said:

You can only have a pool of 15-20 players who are at international level max even if you have 10 bn people, that point of diminishing returns comes at some juncture.

Brazil should always wipe the floor with every European team in football regardless across any period if that is the most important factor. 

Despite recent results, Brazil is still historically the greatest football nation on the planet. AT XI will have maximum representation from Brazil. 

 

Lack of cohesion in recent times, superstar culture, failure to adapt to modern tactics, resistance to having a foreign manager etc. are their undoing. 

[Gollum]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:11 PM, rollingstoned said:

You can only have a pool of 15-20 players who are at international level max even if you have 10 bn people, that point of diminishing returns comes at some juncture.

I'd argue that WI of 70s/80s and Aussies of 90s/2000s had a pool of 30-40 international level players despite such low population, especially in case of WI. And small island states like Barbados had 7-8 genuine international class pacers, despite a population 1% of that of Mumbai/Delhi/Kolkata. 

Edited January 10 by Gollum

[rollingstoned]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Despite recent results, Brazil is still historically the greatest football nation on the planet. AT XI will have maximum representation from Brazil. 

 

Lack of cohesion in recent times, superstar culture, failure to adapt to modern tactics, resistance to having a foreign manager etc. are their undoing. 

Brazil still have the atg team in football as I mentioned but my point was more theoretical, that if it makes that big a difference then overtime the fluctuation in performance should be minimal. 

[Gollum]

I remember India playing a tour match in 1999 against PM XI and we got brutalized so bad. Aus had a monster team back then and for most part, guys like Hayden, Martyn, Symonds, Hussey, Hodge, Haddin, Bracken couldn't get a sniff into main XI. Their depth was mindblowing. Even in ODIs there was a quadrangular there and final was played between Aus and Aus A. 

Edited January 10 by Gollum

[rollingstoned]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I'd argue that WI of 70s/80s and Aussies of 90s/2000s had a pool of 30-40 international level players despite such low population, especially in case of WI. And small island states like Barbados had 7-8 genuine international class pacers, despite a population 1% of that of Mumbai/Delhi/Kolkata. 

Those 2 teams are extreme outliers.

In WIs case while the skill level of their players was never in question they owe a lot to county cricket for their development too, it's not a result of an excellent domestic system. Both WI and Pak have had more or less the same talent pool to choose from since decades but never come close to their previous peaks since county teams had overseas player caps. 

Edited January 10 by rollingstoned

[Lord]

11 hours ago, Gollum said:

In general, goras are such natural athletes man, fantastic. 

 

Yeah we talk about Jadeja, Raina etc being great fielders. They arent even close to these guys. 

[vvvslaxman]

wow Asitha is running through NZ. 21/5

[rollingstoned]

Appears as though SL will thrash Nzl here. Asitha bowls well regardless of format. 

[rollingstoned]

Was it in Eden park where Latham again tonned up and we couldn't defend 350+?

[Lord]

they have new Malinga