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[Mariyam]

On 3/17/2025 at 10:09 PM, coffee_rules said:

Roza is intermittent fasting from dawn to dusk. I believe they eat after sunset and/or before sunrise. I am can wrong, but still commendable to do it for 12-14 hrs without even water 

You here, and a couple of "nationalist" handles on X keep harping about Ramzan being intermittent fasting, to simply belittle the practice.

 

It is not intermittent fasting. It is in fact the very definition of fasting.

 

Those who stay in countries where the days are extremely long, have a very tough time during Ramzan. Scandanavia/ Canada depending on the season. 

Those who stay in the tropics find it difficult because dehydration is a real risk for the working man/woman.

 

Basically, I find the need to belittle the practices of someone else extremely tacky. It has *nothing* to do with you.

Its like me saying most Hindus are intermittent Hindus, who only become Hindus on Diwali, Holi, Dussehra, Ganesh Chaturthi, elections and riots.

 

What gives?

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

You here, and a couple of "nationalist" handles on X keep harping about Ramzan being intermittent fasting, to simply belittle the practice.

 

It is not intermittent fasting. It is in fact the very definition of fasting.

 

Those who stay in countries where the days are extremely long, have a very tough time during Ramzan. Scandanavia/ Canada depending on the season. 

Those who stay in the tropics find it difficult because dehydration is a real risk for the working man/woman.

 

Basically, I find the need to belittle the practices of someone else extremely tacky. It has *nothing* to do with you.

Its like me saying most Hindus are intermittent Hindus, who only become Hindus on Diwali, Holi, Dussehra, Ganesh Chaturthi, elections and riots.

 

What gives?

Don’t know what triggered you. But look of the definition of intermittent fasting. Some go without food or water for more 18 hours.  If you are eating before dawn and  eating after sunset,  by a basic non-religious definition, it is intermittent fasting. There is nothing belittling there. Karwachauth or Janmashtami where we don’t eat food and do it at the end of the of the day is also intermittent fasting by the same dispassionate definition. 

Edited March 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[rangeelaraja]

20 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

You here, and a couple of "nationalist" handles on X keep harping about Ramzan being intermittent fasting, to simply belittle the practice.

 

It is not intermittent fasting. It is in fact the very definition of fasting.

 

Those who stay in countries where the days are extremely long, have a very tough time during Ramzan. Scandanavia/ Canada depending on the season. 

Those who stay in the tropics find it difficult because dehydration is a real risk for the working man/woman.

 

Basically, I find the need to belittle the practices of someone else extremely tacky. It has *nothing* to do with you.

Its like me saying most Hindus are intermittent Hindus, who only become Hindus on Diwali, Holi, Dussehra, Ganesh Chaturthi, elections and riots.

 

What gives?

 

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Don’t know what triggered you. But look of the definition of intermittent fasting. Some go without food or water for more 18 hours.  If you are eating before dawn and  eating after sunset,  by a basic non-religious definition, it is intermittent fasting. There is nothing belittling there. Karwachauth or Janmashtami where we don’t eat food and do it at the end of the of the day is also intermittent fasting by the same dispassionate definition. 

 

 

@coffee_rules  @Mariyam

 

Guys stop bickering.

 

The purpose of fasting in Jainism, Hinduism, and Islam is to cultivate self-discipline, spiritual growth and tolerance.

 

Jainism advocates full-day fasts with only water, allowing the digestive system to reset. Interestingly, what Jainism and Brahmins have practiced for millennia—eating before sunset and after sunrise—is now repackaged as intermittent fasting in the West.

 

From a metabolic perspective, Muslim practices are polar opposite of what is healthy.

 

Fasting during the day and eating after sunset goes against what modern science suggests:

The body is less insulin-sensitive at night, leading to higher fat storage. Digestion slows in the evening due to melatonin, making late meals harder to process.

The gut and liver function optimally during daylight hours.  Late-night eating disrupts circadian rhythm, increasing the risk of metabolic disorders.

 

This may explain why so many people gain weight during Ramzan ( supposed to be a fasting month )  —heavy, carb-loaded meals at Sehri and Iftar spike blood sugar and promote fat storage.

 

While spiritually inclined in intent, Ramzan fasting is not scientifically optimal for metabolism compared to daytime fasting traditions in Jainism and Hinduism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

51 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Those who stay in countries where the days are extremely long, have a very tough time during Ramzan. Scandanavia/ Canada depending on the season. 

Those who stay in the tropics find it difficult because dehydration is a real risk for the working man/woman.

This is really interesting... 

[coffee_rules]

47 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

 

@coffee_rules  @Mariyam

 

Guys stop bickering.

 

The purpose of fasting in Jainism, Hinduism, and Islam is to cultivate self-discipline, spiritual growth and tolerance.

 

Jainism advocates full-day fasts with only water, allowing the digestive system to reset. Interestingly, what Jainism and Brahmins have practiced for millennia—eating before sunset and after sunrise—is now repackaged as intermittent fasting in the West.

 

From a metabolic perspective, Muslim practices are polar opposite of what is healthy.

 

Fasting during the day and eating after sunset goes against what modern science suggests:

The body is less insulin-sensitive at night, leading to higher fat storage. Digestion slows in the evening due to melatonin, making late meals harder to process.

The gut and liver function optimally during daylight hours.  Late-night eating disrupts circadian rhythm, increasing the risk of metabolic disorders.

 

This may explain why so many people gain weight during Ramzan ( supposed to be a fasting month )  —heavy, carb-loaded meals at Sehri and Iftar spike blood sugar and promote fat storage.

 

While spiritually inclined in intent, Ramzan fasting is not scientifically optimal for metabolism compared to daytime fasting traditions in Jainism and Hinduism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who was bickering?  There was a difference of opinion and we are discussing it like normal human beings. Stop jumping to conclusions  about general discussions. 

Edited March 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[rangeelaraja]

11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Who was bickering?  There was a difference of opinion and we are discussing it like normal human beings. Stop jumping to conclusions  about general discussions. 

 

Ussi ko bickering kehte hain janaab. 

 

bickering

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[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Ussi ko bickering kehte hain janaab. 

 

bickering

noun [ U ]

us  /ˈbɪk.ɚ.ɪŋ/ uk  /ˈbɪk.ə.rɪŋ/

Add to word list 

arguments about things that are not important

What was not important? I twas about fasting in geneal. Your post was also about general fasting. Now, we are bickering

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

 

@coffee_rules  @Mariyam

 

Guys stop bickering.

 

The purpose of fasting in Jainism, Hinduism, and Islam is to cultivate self-discipline, spiritual growth and tolerance.

 

Jainism advocates full-day fasts with only water, allowing the digestive system to reset. Interestingly, what Jainism and Brahmins have practiced for millennia—eating before sunset and after sunrise—is now repackaged as intermittent fasting in the West.

 

From a metabolic perspective, Muslim practices are polar opposite of what is healthy.

 

Fasting during the day and eating after sunset goes against what modern science suggests:

The body is less insulin-sensitive at night, leading to higher fat storage. Digestion slows in the evening due to melatonin, making late meals harder to process.

The gut and liver function optimally during daylight hours.  Late-night eating disrupts circadian rhythm, increasing the risk of metabolic disorders.

 

This may explain why so many people gain weight during Ramzan ( supposed to be a fasting month )  —heavy, carb-loaded meals at Sehri and Iftar spike blood sugar and promote fat storage.

 

While spiritually inclined in intent, Ramzan fasting is not scientifically optimal for metabolism compared to daytime fasting traditions in Jainism and Hinduism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ramadan is nothing more than Arab trader night shift people scam.
let me explain why - because simple reality is, if you were arab trader guy doing camel trains from mecca/medina to levant, you are night-shift guy. Coz the whole idea is you pitch tent on shady side of sand-dune and sleep during day and travel at night when moon is YUUGE and sky is clear and earth is bearable 15-20C cool of desert nights.
Live one year during Ramadan in ANY gulf arab country and you realize, Ramadan is night shift pig-out scam-fest of a fasting culture: You wake up at 5pm, 1 hr before sundown, go offer prayer during this 1 hr and then immediately go pig out for YUUGE breakfast, stay up eating and drinking and making merry all night  till you eat another YUUGE meal at 4am, just before sun-up...then basically go to sleep around 9am-10am and sleep through the day and rinse and repeat.

 

This isn't fasting. This is night shift people life and whole society doing night shift eating life and 90% of Gulf Arabs 'fast' this way. So basically total scam.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

12 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Ramadan is nothing more than Arab trader night shift people scam.
let me explain why - because simple reality is, if you were arab trader guy doing camel trains from mecca/medina to levant, you are night-shift guy. Coz the whole idea is you pitch tent on shady side of sand-dune and sleep during day and travel at night when moon is YUUGE and sky is clear and earth is bearable 15-20C cool of desert nights.
Live one year during Ramadan in ANY gulf arab country and you realize, Ramadan is night shift pig-out scam-fest of a fasting culture: You wake up at 5pm, 1 hr before sundown, go offer prayer during this 1 hr and then immediately go pig out for YUUGE breakfast, stay up eating and drinking and making merry all night  till you eat another YUUGE meal at 4am, just before sun-up...then basically go to sleep around 9am-10am and sleep through the day and rinse and repeat.

 

This isn't fasting. This is night shift people life and whole society doing night shift eating life and 90% of Gulf Arabs 'fast' this way. So basically total scam.

 

 

 

 

yeah, I have never understood this personally.  I have a few muslim friends from school, close friends -- the conversation during the ramazan month is about food - whats for Iftar, whats for Sehri.  All the time its rich, festive food.  They actually look forward to the Ramazan month because its a paradise for food lovers. 

It is almost like a shaadi mini buffet.   I don't know whether the practices got corrupted over the last few years or it has always been like this. 

 

We follow Jain/ Brahmin practices and when we break a fast- its simple, austere food during Shravaan months. Sabudana, khichdi, etc...

 

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

yeah, I have never understood this personally.  I have a few muslim friends from school, close friends -- the conversation during the ramazan month is about food - whats for Iftar, whats for Sehri.  All the time its rich, festive food.  They actually look forward to the Ramazan month because its a paradise for food lovers. 

It is almost like a shaadi mini buffet.   I don't know whether the practices got corrupted over the last few years or it has always been like this. 

 

We follow Jain/ Brahmin practices and when we break a fast- its simple, austere food during Shravaan months. Sabudana, khichdi, etc...

 

 

 

 

 

I have lived in the middle east- both decades ago as well as a few years ago and all i can say, is that 'ramadan = night shift shaadi festivities for food' is generations old, probably at least 100+ years old or since these arabs started to get rich via oil at bare minimum. No idea if this was reality of medieval arab cities or not, i can see the case being made either way to be honest.

 

All i know is, Ramadan for ME in middle east always meant 'watch ur calories'  time and that being fasting month is like my biggest LOL to allah in first place.
The arabs know how to pack in calories with heavenly tasting oily kebab-y meats + oily rice and hummous and all that garlic sauce and stuff, which basically is like bullet train to waist expansion.

I am a weight-watcher/calorie watcher off and on since childhood coz i have come to realize that i have the bengali pot-bellied uncle genes, where if i am fat, i look like a potato with twigs for arms and legs and nothing expands except my belly and i have learnt the hard way a few times that nothing makes me look like bengali potato-uncle better than living in middle east during ramadan.

 

I wish i could become a proper fatty like these goras or our punjabis, where they turn fully round and big and expand outwards everywhere at a generous rate than going from fit to 6 months pregnant look inside of 1 month of ramadan like me. But alas, i have the potbellied kaku-genes and not normal fatty genes and ramadan in dubai is my worst nightmare for self-image.

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2025 by Muloghonto

[rangeelaraja]

17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

I have lived in the middle east- both decades ago as well as a few years ago and all i can say, is that 'ramadan = night shift shaadi festivities for food' is generations old, probably at least 100+ years old or since these arabs started to get rich via oil at bare minimum. No idea if this was reality of medieval arab cities or not, i can see the case being made either way to be honest.

 

All i know is, Ramadan for ME in middle east always meant 'watch ur calories'  time and that being fasting month is like my biggest LOL to allah in first place.
The arabs know how to pack in calories with heavenly tasting oily kebab-y meats + oily rice and hummous and all that garlic sauce and stuff, which basically is like bullet train to waist expansion.

I am a weight-watcher/calorie watcher off and on since childhood coz i have come to realize that i have the bengali pot-bellied uncle genes, where if i am fat, i look like a potato with twigs for arms and legs and nothing expands except my belly and i have learnt the hard way a few times that nothing makes me look like bengali potato-uncle better than living in middle east during ramadan.

 

 

 

I think for traditional Hindu /Jain culture, it is all about austerity and shedding desires during fasting months or even days ( Monday/Tuesday vraths for specific dieties)

 

The whole shaadi festivities thing is not just the Middle East. 

 

I grew up in Mumbai all the way till my undergrad....have you ever visited Muhammed Ali Road or any of the muslim dominated areas during Ramzan.

 

It is a food lovers paradise.

 

Iftaar Evenings: 

 

 

 

Sehri / Pre-dawn:

 

 

Edited March 19, 2025 by rangeelaraja

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

I think for traditional Hindu /Jain culture, it is all about austerity and shedding desires during fasting months or even days ( Monday/Tuesday vraths for specific dieties)

 

The whole shaadi festivities thing is not just the Middle East. 

 

I grew up in Mumbai all the way till my undergrad....have you ever visited Muhammed Ali Road or any of the muslim dominated areas during Ramzan.

 

It is a food lovers paradise.

 

Evenings: 

 

 

 

Pre-dawn:

 

 

 

 

 

You show me this as i eat egg salad sandwich and cafe latte for lunch.
And i had told myself that the egg salad is lazees coz i 'desi-fied' it with some paprika and toasted cumin +chili powder mixed in it.

 

My mouth is so confused salivating this hard while eating egg salad sandwich...

 

And yes, i know what Hindu uposh looks like. It sucks. U stay awake doing **** while starving and then after a long time eat things that taste like garbage.

Maybe thats why 0.1% of hindus look forward to vrat/uposh and 99.9% of muslims look forward to ramadan fasting.
Coz one is actually fasting, other is scamming in the name of fasting.

 

Edited March 19, 2025 by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

I think for traditional Hindu /Jain culture, it is all about austerity and shedding desires during fasting months or even days ( Monday/Tuesday vraths for specific dieties)

 

The whole shaadi festivities thing is not just the Middle East. 

 

I grew up in Mumbai all the way till my undergrad....have you ever visited Muhammed Ali Road or any of the muslim dominated areas during Ramzan.

 

It is a food lovers paradise.

 

Iftaar Evenings: 

 

 

 

Sehri / Pre-dawn:

 

 

In my carefree non-veg days, I have been to Hyderabad during Ramzan ( we should stop saying Ramadan like an Arab, for Indians it ia Ramzan!)
past midnight , have tasted all kinds of Haleem on the street. Hyderabadi haleem has a GI tag as well. Ramzan is a food festival post sunset. 

[Muloghonto]

19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

In my carefree non-veg days, I have been to Hyderabad during Ramzan ( we should stop saying Ramadan like an Arab, for Indians it ia Ramzan!)
past midnight , have tasted all kinds of Haleem on the street. Hyderabadi haleem has a GI tag as well. Ramzan is a food festival post sunset. 

 

At this point we need a meme from that Pawnshop guy where Allah says 30 days of fasting and he says ''best i can do is 30 days of night food festival' .

 

[mishra]

14 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

At this point we need a meme from that Pawnshop guy where Allah says 30 days of fasting and he says ''best i can do is 30 days of night food festival' .

 

Ramzan is a festival where you switch your eating habbits. Instead of eating in day, You eat in night. Problem is you get hungry and thirsty during day.