pkmmamks Posted July 10, 2025 Posted July 10, 2025 On 6/22/2025 at 8:34 PM, ravishingravi said: How will you avoid Boeing ? Check the flight aircraft details before booking. Stick to Airbus flights as much as possible
MechEng Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 This is horrifying. I see this as a homicide by the pilot if the theory is true.
Vickydev Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 So both engines died, RAT deployed. Isnt related to flap angle or bird strikes. Last bit about the fuel switch issue that was not inspected by AI is damning
Vickydev Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 11 minutes ago, MechEng said: This is horrifying. I see this as a homicide by the pilot if the theory is true. Don't want to give this guy views as he has been milking this with just random theories. If he is saying pilots turned off the switch by mistake or whatever, there is a recording where one of them asks the other why he switched them off l, and he replied "I didnt" coffee_rules 1
MechEng Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 9 minutes ago, Vickydev said: Don't want to give this guy views as he has been milking this with just random theories. If he is saying pilots turned off the switch by mistake or whatever, there is a recording where one of them asks the other why he switched them off l, and he replied "I didnt" Please do explain where is he being wrong in that video. It's clearly explained that fuel switches don't work like your normal household machine switches where you can easily turn on and off. And you cannot take off with fuel switches being in 'off' position. Which means that the switches were deliberately turned off as soon as the take off happened and that led to the RAT deployment.
Vickydev Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 11 minutes ago, MechEng said: Please do explain where is he being wrong in that video. It's clearly explained that fuel switches don't work like your normal household machine switches where you can easily turn on and off. And you cannot take off with fuel switches being in 'off' position. Which means that the switches were deliberately turned off as soon as the take off happened and that led to the RAT deployment. There is an FAA guideline regarding the flaw in the switches which has been mentioned in the report, which Air India didn't look into. Also the recorded conversation which I have mentioned doesn't suggest sabotage by the pilots. This guy has been a sensationalist from the beginning, would wait for some others to delve into the report since it just came out coffee_rules 1
MechEng Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 31 minutes ago, Vickydev said: There is an FAA guideline regarding the flaw in the switches which has been mentioned in the report, which Air India didn't look into. Also the recorded conversation which I have mentioned doesn't suggest sabotage by the pilots. This guy has been a sensationalist from the beginning, would wait for some others to delve into the report since it just came out Once again, the fuel switches went from on to off during take off, which implies it was done deliberately. What makes you think that the captain didn't lie to his co-pilot?
Vickydev Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 19 minutes ago, MechEng said: Once again, the fuel switches went from on to off during take off, which implies it was done deliberately. What makes you think that the captain didn't lie to his co-pilot? There is nothing really conclusive about it, so hold your horses. Wait for the full investigation to conclude, its only a preliminary report coffee_rules 1
IndianRenegade Posted July 11, 2025 Posted July 11, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vickydev said: There is an FAA guideline regarding the flaw in the switches which has been mentioned in the report, which Air India didn't look into. Also the recorded conversation which I have mentioned doesn't suggest sabotage by the pilots. This guy has been a sensationalist from the beginning, would wait for some others to delve into the report since it just came out I don't know man but this doesn't look good. Here is the guidleline: Quote The Boeing Company (Boeing) received reports from operators of Model 737 airplanes that the fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged. The fuel control switches (or engine start switches) are installed on the control stand in the flight deck and used by the pilot to supply or cutoff fuel to the engines. The fuel control switch has a locking feature to prevent inadvertent operation that could result in unintended switch movement between the fuel supply and fuel cutoff positions. In order to move the switch from one position to the other under the condition where the locking feature is engaged, it is necessary for the pilot to lift the switch up while transitioning the switch position. If the locking feature is disengaged, the switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting the switch during transition, and the switch would be exposed to the potential of inadvertent operation. Inadvertent operation of the switch could result in an unintended consequence, such as an in-flight engine shutdown So the "flaw" was you could move from one position to the next without lifting the knob/switch which means your action should be more deliberate than just truning the knob. I could undestand a trained pilot making a mistake & inadvertently turning the knob on one of the switches, but unintended switch movement on both the switches! its kind of stretching it. video on how the switches work. Edited July 12, 2025 by IndianRenegade Vickydev 1
coffee_rules Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said: I don't know man but this doesn't look good. Here is the guidleline: So the "flaw" was you could move from one position to the next without lifting the knob/switch which means your action should be more deliberate than just truning the knob. I could undestand a trained pilot making a mistake & inadvertently turning the knob on one of the switches, but unintended switch movement on both the switches! its kind of stretching it. video on how the switches work. It could be the switches were shuffled about after the twin engine failure and the plane losing thrust. It could be effect not the cause
ravishingravi Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 6 hours ago, MechEng said: This is horrifying. I see this as a homicide by the pilot if the theory is true. As knee jerk as one can get. randomGuy and coffee_rules 1 1
IndianRenegade Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: It could be the switches were shuffled about after the twin engine failure and the plane losing thrust. It could be effect not the cause The way the report is written makes it unlikely, it describes a sequence of events. at 8:8:42 is when max airspeed is achieved & immediately after that engine fuel cut off happens one after another within the span of a second. This is when one of the pilot enquires about the cut off switches. it is switched back to run @ 8:8:52 & 56. The report never mentions any other actions on it. Either there was mechanical flaw that caused the unintentional engagement of cutoff or a pilot did it intentionally. coffee_rules 1
kepler37b Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 (edited) 6 hours ago, MechEng said: Please do explain where is he being wrong in that video. It's clearly explained that fuel switches don't work like your normal household machine switches where you can easily turn on and off. And you cannot take off with fuel switches being in 'off' position. Which means that the switches were deliberately turned off as soon as the take off happened and that led to the RAT deployment. That man was abused months back for exploring the option of pilot mistake. Do not know why our folks have become so sensitive to criticism. Blaming it on "western conspiracy saar" is cheating ourselves As a engineer's pov, I personally think the designers of system must mistake it quite difficult to commit disastrous mistakes. If this pilot theory is true, it is a major major dent for indian aviation. Edited July 12, 2025 by kepler37b
kepler37b Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 6 hours ago, MechEng said: This is horrifying. I see this as a homicide by the pilot if the theory is true. If true, we need to examine if the pilot had suicidal tendencies.
pkmmamks Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 If it is pilots doing as per report, then pilot sabotage angle has to be explored despite pilot refusing on the switch turn off
MechEng Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 @ravishingravi, let's not go Pakistani route by seeing saazish everywhere. Pilot mental health issues are real and similar incidents have occurred in the past.
randomGuy Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 3 minutes ago, MechEng said: @ravishingravi, let's not go Pakistani route by seeing saazish everywhere. Pilot mental health issues are real and similar incidents have occurred in the past. Where's any clue of pilot mental health issue here? Pilots are merely describing the yathastithi of switches found in off state and saying they didn't do it, and the headlines describe it as 'pilot confusion'. For me, it is a 100%(or a 99.9%) case of sabotage from day 1.
MechEng Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 1 hour ago, kepler37b said: That man was abused months back for exploring the option of pilot mistake. Do not know why our folks have become so sensitive to criticism. Blaming it on "western conspiracy saar" is cheating ourselves As a engineer's pov, I personally think the designers of system must mistake it quite difficult to commit disastrous mistakes. If this pilot theory is true, it is a major major dent for indian aviation. Now Indian government has given green signal to Boeing and other OEMs to investigate this issue in greater detail, this is needed. There could be a possibility that the machinery was not in sync or something else that led to cutoff of fuel supply to the engines. But that also seems unlikely since the co-pilot could see that both switches were turned off. Maybe by December we will get closer to the truth, but my hunch tells me it was deliberate and done in the cockpit.
MechEng Posted July 12, 2025 Posted July 12, 2025 1 minute ago, randomGuy said: Where's any clue of pilot mental health issue here? Pilots are merely describing the yathastithi of switches found in off state and saying they didn't do it, and the headlines describe it as 'pilot confusion'. For me, it is a 100%(or a 99.9%) case of sabotage from day 1. An aircraft cannot fly with the fuel switch being in off state, you need insane amount pickup to take off an aircraft. Also look at the time timestamps in report where both switches were turned off.
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