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nevada Grand Master

nevada

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17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

He has a top gear that can match Rohit sharma. Kela  and Gill rcan never produce a 25 run over. Rutu and Iyer can produce big overs. When they pick a side they have to  see various attributes of a player. 

KL has played quite a few stunning LOI innings and Gill yoo. He thrashed 3 sixers in an over to get to his ODI double hundred, and had a 60 average at one point, now if is 55-56 I think. This century apart, Ruturaj has often looked out of place in international cricket. His first series was in SL and a disaster. Till then I was a supporter but lost  hope seeing him play. He looked out of sorts in a few more LOIs as well.

At present, he is much more experienced, has the confidence of multiple IPL seasons behind him and MAY be a serviceable option for ODIs, but is nowhere in the ballpark of Rohit nor are Gill and KL inferior to him. 

Lord Grand Master

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12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

He has scored 7 sixes in one over. He has better top gear than Gill/Kohli. You could see how he accelerated through the overs.

 

That was a local tournament IIRC. 

wanted_desi Veteran

wanted_desi

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Iyer > Tukraj. 

 

There is nothing special about him, what he does: there are 10 who can do samething.

 

We need to bring Tilak/Abhishek type of players into the set up. Who has more potential and can serve the side down the line. 

Lord Grand Master

Lord

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6 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

But he is recovering from a serious injury and is not an option for at least a year.

 

Tilak has proven himself in T20. Even Samson can play there

 

Not sure we need to convert to no. 4 just yet

vvvslaxman Grand Master

vvvslaxman

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7 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

Iyer > Tukraj. 

 

There is nothing special about him, what he does: there are 10 who can do samething.

 

We need to bring Tilak/Abhishek type of players into the set up. Who has more potential and can serve the side down the line. 

You have not seen enough of Tilak then. He is a tuk tuker even in T20 if he plays in the middle order. He doesn't have the skills to put the ball in gaps. Only if he bats at 3 he can express himself. Tilak varma has a staggering 65% of dot balls in ODIs and 32% of dot balls in T20Is. 

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tapandrun Grand Master

tapandrun

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25 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Tilak has proven himself in T20. Even Samson can play there

 

Not sure we need to convert to no. 4 just yet

Could be wrong but based of few matches of Tilak and some matched in IPL, its either he plays at v.high sr or he just get stuck, he does not seem to have game where he can just get 4s just by pushing the ball in the gaps.

 

Pushing in gaps and getting risk free 4s are major part of odis 

 

Samson has issue where he mis-hits alot, that why he only has 3 tons in list A,

 

Thats the reason there is no point of putting him mo in t20is as well.

Open with him t20is so that mishits crosses the inner circle. he has that cushion of pp restrictions

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Lord Grand Master

Lord

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3 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Could be wring but based of few matches of Tilak and some matched in IPL, its either he plays at v.high sr or he just get stuck, he does not seem to have game where he can just get 4s just by pushing the ball in the gaps.

 

Pushing in gaps and getting risk free 4s are major part of odis 

 

ODIs are extended T20s these days. We just saw 358 chased down rather comfortably. The two centurions had SR of 104 and 126

 

When you play that many balls, you need to have better SR.

 

Tilak will bring a lefty in the lineup plus more hitting range.

tapandrun Grand Master

tapandrun

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13 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

ODIs are extended T20s these days. We just saw 358 chased down rather comfortably. The two centurions had SR of 104 and 126

 

When you play that many balls, you need to have better SR.

 

Tilak will bring a lefty in the lineup plus more hitting range.

 

There was nothing worng with those tons, even in current context 90-110 ball odi tons are good. 

 

The issue was 24-27 balls jaddu and sundar played need player with power game where these 2 are playing they do not have that game.

 

Rutu got ton in sub 85 balls. Getting a Odi ton in sub 75 balls still is not that common.

 

Look at the brevis played 54 run innings with 34 balls , 30 runs in 15 balls by bosh these are the innings you need around 90-110 ball tons.

If some1 plays high risk in Odis they can not ensure a ton . So need accumulators in odis to ensure 330 score which is must in current day odis. but need powerful finishers.  

Even markran took 98 balls for 110

In odis Need batter who can score at high sr without taking much risks like the end team was doing in around 2017-2020 time.

 

 

 

 

 

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Lord Grand Master

Lord

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44 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

There was nothing worng with those tons, even in current context 90-110 ball odi tons are good. 

 

The issue was 24-27 balls jaddu and sundar played need player with power game where these 2 are playing they do not have that game.

 

Rutu got ton in sub 85 balls. Getting a Odi ton in sub 75 balls still is not that common.

 

Look at the brevis played 54 run innings with 34 balls , 30 runs in 15 balls by bosh these are the innings you need around 90-110 ball tons.

If some1 plays high risk in Odis they can not ensure a ton . So need accumulators in odis to ensure 330 score which is must in current day odis. but need powerful finishers.  

Even markran took 98 balls for 110

In odis Need batter who can score at high sr without taking much risks like the end team was doing in around 2017-2020 time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kohli is the accumulator we have. Gill is similar too. How many do we need?

 

In current era of super pattas if batsman is powerful there is little risk required in batting at 100-120 SR. 

 

SA won because of Brevis-Breetzke partnership which added nearly 90 runs in 10 overs.

 

A batsman should have multiple gears, play risk free in tough conditions surely but express yourself in easier ones

tapandrun Grand Master

tapandrun

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46 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Kohli is the accumulator we have. Gill is similar too. How many do we need?

 

In current era of super pattas if batsman is powerful there is little risk required in batting at 100-120 SR. 

 

SA won because of Brevis-Breetzke partnership which added nearly 90 runs in 10 overs.

 

A batsman should have multiple gears, play risk free in tough conditions surely but express yourself in easier ones

 

Yes batters with multiple gears is needed do not think Tilak and Sunju are the ones. Ind does not have high content of t20 batters in Odi team so there is an issue pointed this out when they(bcci) made it clear that both rohit and kolhi will be part of Odi wc team, plus they are playing with jadeja and Sundar at finisher's place which they are not capable off.

 

but sajnu and tilak are not the solution. sanju's list A stat is nt promising he mis-hits alot even at Smat level he mis-hits.

Tilak what ever I have seen of him it was like the gets stuck, even the emerging asia cup before the SA tour he got stuck vs pak.

 

This aisa cup too he was not able to hit risk free 4s. 

 

Ind tm and selectors have already made their minds that GIll is captain , Virath and Rohit are playing , Iyer is Vc ,Kl is the wk  so these 4+1 spots are already taken, now you are left with 2 slots. Out of which if 1 goes to hardik (if he stays fit during wc),now Ind has 1 spots , think Axar is a contender. Now the only thing you can do is to look for a powerful hitter.

 

More or less Ind playing 11 fr wc::

 

1. Gill

2. Rohit

3.Kolhi

4.Iyer

5.KL

6.Axar //// Do you want him in SA ???--- but he has shown he can bat under pressure in big games

7.Pandaya

8.*** this is the only spot

9.Pacer3/kuldeep 

10.Pace2 

11.Bhumrah

 

 

Apart from axar no ones place is debatable , that too because its wc is in SA. Playing as a finisher/last few overs tilak has got stuck for mi too thats why they got Dhir to play as finisher

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lord Grand Master

Lord

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2 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Yes batters with multiple gears is needed do not think Tilak and Sunju are the ones. Ind does not have high content of t20 batters in Odi team so there is an issue pointed this out when they(bcci) made it clear that both will be part of Odi wc team, plus they are playing with jadeja dnd Sundar at finisher's place which they are not capable off.

 

but sajnu and tilak are not the solution. sanju's list A stat is nt promising he mis-hits alot even at Smat level he mis-hits.

Tilak what ever I have seen of him it was like the gets stuck, even the emerging asia cup before the SA tour he got stuck vs pak.

 

This aisa cup too he was not able to hit risk free 4s. 

 

Ind tm and selectors have already made their minds that GIll is captain , Virath and Rohit are playing , Iyer is Vc ,Kl is the wk  so these 4+1 spots are already taken, now you are left with 2 slots. Out of which if 1 goes to hardik (if he stays fit during wc),now Ind has 1 spots , think Axar is a contender. Now the only thing you can do is to look for a powerful hitter.

 

More or less Ind playing 11 fr wc::

 

1. Gill

2. Rohit

3.Kolhi

4.Iyer

5.KL

6.Axar //// Do you want him in SA ???--- but he has shown he can bat under pressure in big games

7.Pandaya

8.*** this is the only spot

9.Pacer3/kuldeep 

10.Pace2 

11.Bhumrah

 

 

Apart from axar no ones place is debatable , that too because its wc is in SA. Playing as a finisher/last few overs tilak has got stuck for mi too thats why they got Dhir to play as finisher

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm talking about backups too. Tilak has very good List A numbers. I mentioned Samson because I just don't trust KL under pressure.

 

Finishers can be guys like Parag,Dube, Rinku

 

Would need a decent no.8 with Axar at 7

tapandrun Grand Master

tapandrun

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44 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I'm talking about backups too. Tilak has very good List A numbers. I mentioned Samson because I just don't trust KL under pressure.

 

Finishers can be guys like Parag,Dube, Rinku

 

Would need a decent no.8 with Axar at 7

 

KL plays as a wk so his back-up is pant, there is no point in keeping a 2nd back-up for kl  as sanju, he alerady is 30 yo, invest in other wk batters.

Have no issue with 30 yo+ player but they should be able to slot into playing 11 right away in test and odi sides.

 

As t20i wc is just 2 years cycle and lot changes in t20s in no time then play who ever is in good form regardless of age.

 

Yes Ind will need back-up for kolhi, kl and rohit, Pandaya after this Odi wc.

 

For this odi wc they can look into Arsahd khad (mp) LA fast bowler he can tonk few last overs, is a LH batter. bowls at lively pace ~140 kmph 

Parag is good option in Odis. may be look in to some more options , in other thread posted about Dhir, venky iyer, they play in mo for their domestic sides and have some kind of power game (not saying fully developed) are tall. Having played in mo they know how to construct an innings which is still needed for an odi finisher. its not like t20i where getting 15 balls to play is like your top order just didnt do anything.

 

 

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vvvslaxman Grand Master

vvvslaxman

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20 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I'm talking about backups too. Tilak has very good List A numbers. I mentioned Samson because I just don't trust KL under pressure.

 

Finishers can be guys like Parag,Dube, Rinku

 

Would need a decent no.8 with Axar at 7

Tilak was very poor last VH. Most of the time his team mates had to make up for strike rate. SOme new guys or Nitish Reddy. He was too slow like Rahane. He has not evolved in this format. Quiet some distance to go. GUys like Prabhsimran, Abhishek wreaked havoc. On that track he made 28 in 42. His other team members scored at high rate.

 

0(3) Nagaland
0(2) vs Mumbai
57(81)  vs Saurashtra
6(7) vs Puducherry
99(106) vs Karnataka
28(42) vs Punjab chasing a target of 426/4

tapandrun Grand Master

tapandrun

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Tilak was very poor last VH. Most of the time his team mates had to make up for strike rate. SOme new guys or Nitish Reddy. He was too slow like Rahane. He has not evolved in this format. Quiet some distance to go. GUys like Prabhsimran, Abhishek wreaked havoc. On that track he made 28 in 42. His other team members scored at high rate.

 

0(3) Nagaland
0(2) vs Mumbai
57(81)  vs Saurashtra
6(7) vs Puducherry
99(106) vs Karnataka
28(42) vs Punjab chasing a target of 426/4

His issue is he can not hit 4 just by pushing the ball in the gap, alot of newer ind batter lacks that ability.

Playing at low risk yet finding boundary.

 

tilak broadly has 3 modes::

1.keep hitting <-- SA t20s, Eng t20

2.Getting Stuck <-- happened to him alot.

3.Getting Stuck but not giving away the wkt , which is extension of  mode 2 <-- innings he played vs Pak in finals, he plays this for MI too it looks good when other batter around him keeps getting out but he holds on but looks bad when others are hitting and he is stuck <<-- where he got to retire-out. 

 

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