coffee_rules Posted May 13 Author Posted May 13 4 hours ago, diga said: Yes... My house is opposite to a park and one morning I found some syringes. Had to call the police after discussing with my neighbour. It's been relatively free from this menace from last 1 year When you say drug problem, it is not like a couple of raids on on rave parties is not a drug problem. When the drug usage is seen in lower strata of society with peddlers selling drugs to poor people and they get addicted, like it is happening in Punjab. That for me is a drug problem. I heard one case in Tamil Nadu where three young people drugged on ganja beat up a Bihari, black and blue. See, that is a crime caused by the drug usage, and I don’t think it’s pretty widespread in Tamil Nadu just one odd case. I am surprised at that issue being an election issue for TVK to put it in the manifesto and also use in the speech in the assembly. It seems to be totally manufactured.. @ravishingravi
coffee_rules Posted May 13 Author Posted May 13 3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: IT is not just about Udayanithi here, It sabout how Tamil Hindus that were portrayed by these online goons based on Udayanithi's words. I gave an explanation why there is less backlash among Hindus even the ones who were sitting inside. People don't associate themselve with that word. But immediately they start judging Tamil Hindus because they don't align with them. If you are going to abuse Tamil Hindus as "all are rice bags" and while seeking their support you will not be taken seriously. Between the Udayanithi salin and IT cell guys, it is IT cell guys that abused Tamil Hindus more. There is an organized attempt to create chaos in TN based on this. Some doing from within. As @sriharsha has mentioned it is viewed by general public not "as a way of life" . viewed "as a way making an entry into TN" Thsi is not evolution of hinduism. It is not just Tamils that raised this question. When you look through social media you can find these were raised by people from other states as well. outside BJP circle this is viewed as rebranding of "Hindutva" not some kind of evolution which was never needed liek it is a national crisis. It would be naive to think there is some holistic reason behind this. Again with the BJP push for Sanathana is a false narrative. I have been following Internet, social media since a long time and been outraged when DK. DMK goons like A Raja have been spewing hateful speech against Hinduism in general and calling it mainly using the term Hindu/inthu or whatever the Tamil equivalent is. But it is in the recent past , these hate speeches from Christian padres and mullahs have started to use the term Sananana derogatively to only highlight the negative things about Hinduism, mainly caste discrimination. Caste problem in Tamil Nadu is prevalent for a ong time and has been used politically by every party. It has been more violent in Tamil Nadu than in say Karnataka or Kerala. So people who use these fault lines, have doubled up their hate speech using the Sanathana more recently just to rile up the other side. Udayanidhi and others have even claimed that there is no difference between Sanathana Hinduism and that in my opinion is a crime to divide the society. Being done by somebody in the government is even worse. If he says eradicate Sanathana and calling it Dengue malaria, he’s basically saying we need to eradicate Hinduism. Not that he can achieve it, but it is hate speech and it has to be fought court. In the previous instance, there has been multiple FIRs against him across the nation and he’s fighting a legal battle. He even went to Supreme Court to deal with it. Now this third rate fellow said itv in the assembly, so that there is no legal issue. If if you think BJP is pushing the word to gain entry into Tamil Nadu, he’s also using the word divisively to gain relevance politically in Tamil Nadu
diga Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) 40 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: When you say drug problem, it is not like a couple of raids on on rave parties is not a drug problem. When the drug usage is seen in lower strata of society with peddlers selling drugs to poor people and they get addicted, like it is happening in Punjab. That for me is a drug problem. I heard one case in Tamil Nadu where three young people drugged on ganja beat up a Bihari, black and blue. See, that is a crime caused by the drug usage, and I don’t think it’s pretty widespread in Tamil Nadu just one odd case. I am surprised at that issue being an election issue for TVK to put it in the manifesto and also use in the speech in the assembly. It seems to be totally manufactured.. @ravishingravi I meant the menace has touched relatively quiet localities of Bengaluru which means it's spreading in Karnataka Edited May 13 by diga coffee_rules 1
IndianRenegade Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: IT is not just about Udayanithi here, It sabout how Tamil Hindus that were portrayed by these online goons based on Udayanithi's words. I gave an explanation why there is less backlash among Hindus even the ones who were sitting inside. People don't associate themselve with that word. But immediately they start judging Tamil Hindus because they don't align with them. If you are going to abuse Tamil Hindus as "all are rice bags" and while seeking their support you will not be taken seriously. Between the Udayanithi salin and IT cell guys, it is IT cell guys that abused Tamil Hindus more. There is an organized attempt to create chaos in TN based on this. Some doing from within. As @sriharsha has mentioned it is viewed by general public not "as a way of life" . viewed "as a way making an entry into TN" Thsi is not evolution of hinduism. It is not just Tamils that raised this question. When you look through social media you can find these were raised by people from other states as well. outside BJP circle this is viewed as rebranding of "Hindutva" not some kind of evolution which was never needed liek it is a national crisis. It would be naive to think there is some holistic reason behind this. Dude you are a joke, your entire deflection attempt now is until recently deputy chief minister of Tamil Nadu & now Leader of opposition deliberately choosing to insult Hinduism should be ignored but some online trolls whom you also argue can’t make any impact in Tamil Nadu should be the primary discussion. You failed to address any point I raised, it doesn’t matter what BJP calls Hinduism, what business is it of an atheist & LOP? Religious parties exists in his own coalition, does comment on theological issues of Christians & Muslims? ISIS has made in roads in TN, show me one quote of him denouncing “Islamic extremism”. ISIS argues for a Kilafat, not something that is widely popular among TN Muslims. So if Annamalai announces Kilafaat should exterminated, will Muslims will just let it pass? This is only an issue because he chose to use a word that is considered as a name for Hinduism. He could have chosen more direct words that already exists in the Tamil lexicon, he deliberately chose a word that will cause division. Period. Edited May 13 by IndianRenegade diga 1
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: Dude you are a joke, your entire deflection attempt now is until recently deputy chief minister of Tamil Nadu & now Leader of opposition deliberately choosing to insult Hinduism should be ignored but some online trolls whom you also argue can’t make any impact in Tamil Nadu should be the primary discussion. You failed to address any point I raised, it doesn’t matter what BJP calls Hinduism, what business is it of an atheist & LOP? Religious parties exists in his own coalition, does comment on theological issues of Christians & Muslims? ISIS has made in roads in TN, show me one quote of him denouncing “Islamic extremism”. This is only an issue because he chose to use a word that is considered as a name for Hinduism. He could have chosen more direct words that already exists in the Tamil lexicon, he deliberately chose a word that will cause division. Period. It is naive of you to think sanatani has anything to do with Hinduism in TN. Sanatanis is associated more with BJP than Hinduism you desperately try to prove here. it doesn’t matter what BJP calls Hinduism, it matters. Because they are the only ones that call that . No one else. They rebranded Hindutva with this name and spread it through their online trolls. Here comes the redherring fallacy. When someone talks about something you just go with stock, standard argument "What about this". I am 100% sure nobody encourages "islamic extremism". Everybody is on the page with respect to that. Yes. he could have said "We want to eradicate any parties that abuse religion to divide us". That would be more appropriate.
randomGuy Posted May 13 Posted May 13 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: It is naive of you to think sanatani has anything to do with Hinduism in TN. Sanatanis is associated more with BJP than Hinduism you desperately try to prove here. it doesn’t matter what BJP calls Hinduism, it matters. Because they are the only ones that call that . No one else. They rebranded Hindutva with this name and spread it through their online trolls. Here comes the redherring fallacy. When someone talks about something you just go with stock, standard argument "What about this". I am 100% sure nobody encourages "islamic extremism". Everybody is on the page with respect to that. Yes. he could have said "We want to eradicate any parties that abuse religion to divide us". That would be more appropriate. "Word Nippon has nothing to do with word 'japan' in Kyoto like it does in the rest of Japan." Abe bewakoof, universally, including in TN, sanatan dharm = hindu dharm. Prior Supreme court comments - "During earlier hearings in March 2024, the bench had rebuked Stalin for his comments, stating that a minister should be aware of the consequences of his remarks and "abused his rights" by making them." Inside assembly, he has privileges. He doesn't have privileges outside of it. He is taking advantage of that
IndianRenegade Posted May 13 Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: It is naive of you to think sanatani has anything to do with Hinduism in TN. Sanatanis is associated more with BJP than Hinduism you desperately try to prove here. it doesn’t matter what BJP calls Hinduism, it matters. Because they are the only ones that call that . No one else. They rebranded Hindutva with this name and spread it through their online trolls. You can’t read can you. I literally showed Veeramani saying Santan is nothing but Hinduism, with Uday on stage. Period he uses 100 yr+ references to make the claim, nope, BJP that didn’t exist back then didn’t rebrand anything.
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, randomGuy said: "Word Nippon has nothing to do with word 'japan' in Kyoto like it does in the rest of Japan." Abe bewakoof, universally, including in TN, sanatan dharm = hindu dharm. Prior Supreme court comments - "During earlier hearings in March 2024, the bench had rebuked Stalin for his comments, stating that a minister should be aware of the consequences of his remarks and "abused his rights" by making them." Inside assembly, he has privileges. He doesn't have privileges outside of it. He is taking advantage of that IT is a propaganda word by brainwashed cultist like you. Nobody otuside your echo chamber use this word. Stop trying to portray like it is a "common knowledge". :) You can't even accept fundamental philosphy of "Live and Let live" you are talking about Dharm. That is funny. Yes supreme court rebuked him for equating stanati darma with disease because multiple petition, FIR filed by you guys. So they had to say something. But if you use your brain for once you can see who the target of Udayanidhi. It is certaily not Hindus. It is purely BJP propagandist. His own family members follow Hindu tradition. i am sure you know it. But you have to make a federal case and like your life has ruined because of it :) Keep living in delusion. TN is not going to entertain BJP for the forseeable future with that kind of agenda.
G_B_ Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Didnt madurai court rule that santana dharma and hinduism were the same? I could be wrong. Its why udhayana said it at floor of the house. Else would be buried in fir.
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: You can’t read can you. I literally showed Veeramani saying Santan is nothing but Hinduism, with Uday on stage. Period he uses 100 yr+ references to make the claim, nope, BJP that didn’t exist back then didn’t rebrand anything. Veeramani is your example? . Pesident of DK .Now 92 year old? . That is what he lives on. And you are worried about 92 year old mobilizing a feeble bunch of DK supporters to eradicate Hinduism? DK has been in existence for decades with same rhetoric. Come on dude :) Sanatani is and will always be viewed as a dog whistle for BJP in TN. You can dance around this as much as you want. As i said i don't support Udayanithi. But his point about sanatani is definitely not hindus. You know it. His own family follows HIndu traditions. So he wants to eradicate them? That is a stretch.
diga Posted May 13 Posted May 13 35 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: IT is a propaganda word by brainwashed cultist like you. Nobody otuside your echo chamber use this word. Stop trying to portray like it is a "common knowledge". :) You can't even accept fundamental philosphy of "Live and Let live" you are talking about Dharm. That is funny. Yes supreme court rebuked him for equating stanati darma with disease because multiple petition, FIR filed by you guys. So they had to say something. But if you use your brain for once you can see who the target of Udayanidhi. It is certaily not Hindus. It is purely BJP propagandist. His own family members follow Hindu tradition. i am sure you know it. But you have to make a federal case and like your life has ruined because of it :) Keep living in delusion. TN is not going to entertain BJP for the forseeable future with that kind of agenda. Equating sanatana dharma and hinduism is not a modern propoganda... For periyarists like you it maybe but for millions of us it predates the Hindu word. Every major text refers to the sanatana - eternal way of living Madurai court too has equated them. That bozo uthayanithi has deliberately chose that to remain in limelight and not the other way
IndianRenegade Posted May 13 Posted May 13 (edited) 40 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Veeramani is your example? . Pesident of DK .Now 92 year old? . That is what he lives on. And you are worried about 92 year old mobilizing a feeble bunch of DK supporters to eradicate Hinduism? DK has been in existence for decades with same rhetoric. Come on dude :) Sanatani is and will always be viewed as a dog whistle for BJP in TN. You can dance around this as much as you want. As i said i don't support Udayanithi. But his point about sanatani is definitely not hindus. You know it. His own family follows HIndu traditions. So he wants to eradicate them? That is a stretch. Appeal to incredulity is not an argument. The text he quotes to make the claim was a textbook on Hinduism used in Banaras Hindu University in 1900s, his age or mental ability has zero bearing on the fact its at least a 100 yrs old concept mainstream enough to be taught in a University. I never claimed you liked Uday, whether like you him or not has no bearing to substance. DMK leaders including his father have history of making anti hindu statement, He had once claimed Hindu means thief (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Hindu-thief-remark-returns-to-haunt-M-Karunanidhi/articleshow/19641057.cms), I myself have made statements what Hindus would consider blasphemous in spite of my better half being devout Hindu. So, it isn't a stretch, & Appeal to incredulity is not an argument. Edited May 13 by IndianRenegade
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, diga said: Equating sanatana dharma and hinduism is not a modern propoganda... For periyarists like you it maybe but for millions of us it predates the Hindu word. Every major text refers to the sanatana - eternal way of living Madurai court too has equated them. That bozo uthayanithi has deliberately chose that to remain in limelight and not the other way It is. I am not a periyarist. This low IQ labelling like Trump is why you are not getting any traction. Just beacuse one disagrees with you it won't automatically make someone periyarist or rice bag. It s not binary. Wlecome to human brain. They think differently. It works differently for differnet persons. Not everybody has to think exactly the same way because they pray to same gods. What era you are living ? seriously. Eternal way of living? What are you trying to achieve here with these useless propganda? You are no different from these christian propagandists. You are living in AI era. If you are using it for political propaganda atleast admit it. I respect that
diga Posted May 13 Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: It is. I am not a periyarist. This low IQ labelling like Trump is why you are not getting any traction. Just beacuse one disagrees with you it won't automatically make someone periyarist or rice bag. It s not binary. Wlecome to human brain. They think differently. It works differently for differnet persons. Not everybody has to think exactly the same way because they pray to same gods. What era you are living ? seriously. Eternal way of living? What are you trying to achieve here with these useless propganda? You are no different from these christian propagandists. You are living in AI era. If you are using it for political propaganda atleast admit it. I respect that I don't... And you are the one being dishonest here bringing in BJP when it was dmk who created the controversy. When you deflect the issue I have every right to call you a periyarist or a rice bag.
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 minute ago, IndianRenegade said: Appeal to incredulity is not an argument. The text he quotes to make the claim was a textbook on Hinduism used in Banaras Hindu University, his age or mental ability has zero bearing on the fact its 100 yrs old concept mainstream enough to be taught in a University. I never claimed you liked Uday, whether like him or not has no bearing to substance. DMK leaders including his father have history of making anti hinu statement, He had once claimed Hindu means theif (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Hindu-thief-remark-returns-to-haunt-M-Karunanidhi/articleshow/19641057.cms), I myself have made what hindus would consider balsphamous inspite of my better half being devot Hindu. So it isn't a stretch, or Appeal to incredulity is not an argument. People co-exist. My mother's side relatives have quiet a few DK. One is in very very high position of DK group who i don't want to name. We have all kind of faiths withint our family we peacefully co-exist. In a common settings none of us discuss about these things.. You have mentioned your better half is embracing Hindu faith. You are an atheist. You are not hating each other for that are you? Yes.. deliberatley provokign remarks are made by some guys like Seeman to garner attention. NObody has abused Hidnu gods more than seeman. He never won any seat. It is not a pathway to winning election in TN. What udhayanidhi stalin did can be called rage-baiting at best. I don't believe 1% his goal here is to "eradicate hindus" . Majoirty of the BJP narrative is against Vijay here because he did not say anything. They are building a negative image against him. It is pure politics. Let us call it for what it is rather than they are on a crusade to protect "Hindus in TN". Imagine guys from Sikkim and random states with saffron profile are suddenly worried about "Hindus becoming extinct in TN". This staged outrage irks me more than Udyanidhis rage bait.
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 13 minutes ago, diga said: I don't... And you are the one being dishonest here bringing in BJP when it was dmk who created the controversy. When you deflect the issue I have every right to call you a periyarist or a rice bag. I stand by it. I have enough evidence it is orhcestrated by BJP. DMK does the same too . They also ocrhestrate this in their own way. I can call you cultist the same way. I can criticize DK, DMK with no issue.s bUt you can't criticize BJP.
diga Posted May 13 Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I stand by it. I have enough evidence it is orhcestrated by BJP. DMK does the same too . They also ocrhestrate this in their own way. I can call you cultist the same way. I can criticize DK, DMK with no issue.s bUt you can't criticize BJP. And someone who has the most posts on this forum calls others as propogondists... Pray tell us who started the "sanatana eradication forum" where veeramani and uthayanithi made those initial remarks?
vvvslaxman Posted May 13 Posted May 13 Just now, diga said: And someone who has the most posts on this forum calls others as propogondists... Pray tell us who started the "sanatana eradication forum" where veeramani and uthayanithi made those initial remarks? ANother random reference. What has anythign to do with my high count of posts. I don't care who started.
IndianRenegade Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Here comes the redherring fallacy. When someone talks about something you just go with stock, standard argument "What about this". This isn't a red herring fallacy. red herring is defined as: Quote A Red Herring Fallacy is an example of a deceptive tactic that diverts attention away from the real issue at hand, steering the conversation towards a different, often unrelated, topic. The issue at hand & accusation is Uday/Congress usage of nomenclature of a religious group in a disparaging way is restricted to hinduism, because his intention is to divide. Whether he applies the such criticism beyond Hindu religion is directly related to the claim. 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: I am 100% sure nobody encourages "islamic extremism". Everybody is on the page with respect to that. that isn't the argument, but he will never use Islamic nomenclature to ever condemn Islamic extremism it will always be neutral. You will almost never see him or side say Jihadism should be eradicated, Nikah halala must be eradicated, rather they will make the claim the ills of other religions have nothing to do with that religion, "terror has no religion" etc. But they will use Hindu nomenclature without any issues & even in face of court orders & blowback. That is not Secularism they claim to hold dear, it is the exact same divisive politics they accuse BJP of.
diga Posted May 13 Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: ANother random reference. What has anythign to do with my high count of posts. I don't care who started. This isn't random...it's exactly mirroring the ways of uthayanithi where one targets only one group
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