tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 2 hours ago, putrevus said: BCCI is killing the trophies by playing all the matches in COE complex. Duleep trophy was traditionally played with all superstars in front of crowds.Not only that these players are now playing in same conditions all the time. no , this is a good way of managing the tournaments. Yes its done this way to avoid crowds, its hard to manage crowds without state apparatus, and they can only provide this much. Can not close location for a days. We saw what happened when kolhi played in del last season crowds were unmanageable, kolhi came with security. This way they do not need to call upon anyone else, logistics are way simpler with having accommodations and everything available. Think board also understands that there is some element of player's pr where they are sending ppl or asking ppl to come out to watch certain players.
vvvslaxman Posted August 31 Posted August 31 From North they have gone with international players rather than stat based Arshdeep singh did not play a single Ranji game. Yet in DUleep Trophy. Gurnoor brar averaged 48 in Ranji this season. He is in the side. Kamboj 13 wicket sin 5 matches 27.00 avge.He is in the side. Abid mushstaq 20 wickets 31.75 avge. Basically they have picked the poor performers in Ranji. Harprett Brar had a very good season. He is not picked. Yudhvir 7 matches 21 wickets 26.19 avge. Not played. Simarjeet 4 matches 12 wickets. 25 avge. Nikhil kashyap 26 year old in his debut season 26 wickets in 6 matches at 15.69. He is not featuring. South zone selection went with top wicket takers, north zone went with known international players. I think you gotta strike a balance. Both are wrong. tapandrun and tweaker 2
Manucrick Posted August 31 Posted August 31 3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: From North they have gone with international players rather than stat based Arshdeep singh did not play a single Ranji game. Yet in DUleep Trophy. Gurnoor brar averaged 48 in Ranji this season. He is in the side. Kamboj 13 wicket sin 5 matches 27.00 avge.He is in the side. Abid mushstaq 20 wickets 31.75 avge. Basically they have picked the poor performers in Ranji. Harprett Brar had a very good season. He is not picked. Yudhvir 7 matches 21 wickets 26.19 avge. Not played. Simarjeet 4 matches 12 wickets. 25 avge. Nikhil kashyap 26 year old in his debut season 26 wickets in 6 matches at 15.69. He is not featuring. South zone selection went with top wicket takers, north zone went with known international players. I think you gotta strike a balance. Both are wrong. Most of the team selections are bad South picking oldies
putrevus Posted August 31 Posted August 31 8 minutes ago, tapandrun said: no , this is a good way of managing the tournaments. Yes its done this way to avoid crowds, its hard to manage crowds without state apparatus, and they can only provide this much. Can not close location for a days. We saw what happened when kolhi played in del last season crowds were unmanageable, kolhi came with security. This way they do not need to call upon anyone else, logistics are way simpler with having accommodations and everything available. Think board also understands that there is some element of player's pr where they are sending ppl or asking ppl to come out to watch certain players. BCCI has enough money to arrange logistics. These tournaments are needed to be played in smaller venues where people can see players live for very minimal cost or free. Playing in front of nobody is ridiculous.
vvvslaxman Posted August 31 Posted August 31 10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Tanay is himself 30 something, same with Gopal who is a has been. Where are their next gen? Selectors should have discarded the Ranji Trophy stat padders and should have included at least Deepesh in there or Eden Apple Tom. Seeing Nidheesh makes my blood boil like this dude has made career outta statpadding on trash Ranji surfaces. WTF are we supposed to get with him in the side? Duleep Trophy should be used as a stepping stone for India A ideally. Dravid had the right idea and made it into India A, B, C,D teams in his tenure.. They are back to default setting. NZ coaches and selectors are already facing criticism for favoritism from media. I am sure things are worse in SZ and WZ WHen they make the Indian side with that stat no surprise they made the zonal team. Saransh jain came into the side purely because of his batting season. Not bowling season. Kumar kartikey did better than Saransh from his state side with 35 wickets . tweaker 1
vvvslaxman Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Just now, Manucrick said: Most of the team selections are bad South picking oldies Lazy selection i say. They looked up stats in Ranji. Let us pick top 4 south bowlers top 6 south batsmen. That is terrible. I understand teams wanting to win championship. But Duleep Trophy is supposed to be a launch pad for future. Having said that nowadays they don't select players from DT. In 2022 DT final Jaiswal made 265 runs in 323 balls. Sarfraz made 127 in 178 balls. Jaiswal was not picked. Then he made twin cetnruies in IRani trophy final in 2023. But it is the 625 runs he made in 2023 IPl that propelled him into Test side. Not the hardworking runs in domestic. tapandrun and tweaker 2
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: From North they have gone with international players rather than stat based Arshdeep singh did not play a single Ranji game. Yet in DUleep Trophy. Gurnoor brar averaged 48 in Ranji this season. He is in the side. Kamboj 13 wicket sin 5 matches 27.00 avge.He is in the side. Abid mushstaq 20 wickets 31.75 avge. Basically they have picked the poor performers in Ranji. Harprett Brar had a very good season. He is not picked. Yudhvir 7 matches 21 wickets 26.19 avge. Not played. Simarjeet 4 matches 12 wickets. 25 avge. Nikhil kashyap 26 year old in his debut season 26 wickets in 6 matches at 15.69. He is not featuring. South zone selection went with top wicket takers, north zone went with known international players. I think you gotta strike a balance. Both are wrong. There are not many Intnl pacers from sz atm, think bowlers like Deepesh could be selected. Also looks like some selections are based on NCA recommendations. express bowling 1
vvvslaxman Posted August 31 Posted August 31 2 minutes ago, tapandrun said: There are not many Intnl pacers from sz atm, think bowlers like Deepesh could be selected. Also looks like some selections are based on NCA recommendations. You need an age cut off for zonal teams. Cannot have 35 year old bowler playing no matter how many wicekts he takes. Manucrick and tapandrun 2
Nikhil_cric Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Absolute **** usage of Gurnoor. Opening spell was 8 overs long. Why would you do that to a guy who bowls heat. Trundlers Arshdeep and Kamboj can bowl long spells. Gurnoor should not bowl more than 4-5 tapandrun, bouncers, tweaker and 3 others 6
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 (edited) 43 minutes ago, putrevus said: BCCI has enough money to arrange logistics. These tournaments are needed to be played in smaller venues where people can see players live for very minimal cost or free. Playing in front of nobody is ridiculous. No , its not about mny, crowd management is still a state thing, do not have such pvt. service providers rt. now. They can try manage inside ground but tht too is not possible. Bcci can try to sell tkts but no one buys it, and then it requires other logistic like food and drinks for the audiences. Edited August 31 by tapandrun express bowling 1
express bowling Posted August 31 Posted August 31 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Absolute **** usage of Gurnoor. Opening spell was 8 overs long. Why would you do that to a guy who bowls heat. Trundlers Arshdeep and Kamboj can bowl long spells. Gurnoor should not bowl more than 4-5 Field placement was inadequate for a 90 mph pacer too. Saw a leg slip being placed. Too square. Catch went through a finer position. Then they changed it. Kept only one slip when SZ was struggling. Thirdman position was not proper. Edited August 31 by express bowling tapandrun, Lone Wolf and Nikhil_cric 3
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 How was samran ?? In ipl and ipl practice games his technique looked inadequate to face pacers, he looked more comfortable facing spin and mostly legside batter Lone Wolf and express bowling 2
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 46 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: From North they have gone with international players rather than stat based Arshdeep singh did not play a single Ranji game. Yet in DUleep Trophy. Gurnoor brar averaged 48 in Ranji this season. He is in the side. Kamboj 13 wicket sin 5 matches 27.00 avge.He is in the side. Abid mushstaq 20 wickets 31.75 avge. Basically they have picked the poor performers in Ranji. Harprett Brar had a very good season. He is not picked. Yudhvir 7 matches 21 wickets 26.19 avge. Not played. Simarjeet 4 matches 12 wickets. 25 avge. Nikhil kashyap 26 year old in his debut season 26 wickets in 6 matches at 15.69. He is not featuring. South zone selection went with top wicket takers, north zone went with known international players. I think you gotta strike a balance. Both are wrong. Think times were diff. this a small window for domestic ranji players to show-up , if they perform here they can be selected as Ind tst side is in transition and there will be transition in Odi side as well after wc
Lone Wolf Posted August 31 Posted August 31 25 minutes ago, express bowling said: Field placement was inadequate for a 90 mph pacer too. Saw a leg slip being placed. Too square. Catch weng through a finer position. Then they changed it. Kept only one slip when SZ was struggling. Thirdman position was not proper. I think captain is a novice one who has never led the team before. NZ set up is all messed up right from the coaching staff express bowling 1
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: I think captain is a novice one who has never led the team before. NZ set up is all messed up right from the coaching staff as long as they donot break down gurnoor and arsh everything is good express bowling 1
Lone Wolf Posted August 31 Posted August 31 (edited) 3 minutes ago, tapandrun said: as long as they donot break down gurnoor and arsh everything is good Gurnoor is alright I think. He needs some cricket under his belt tbh. Since Eng tour this is probably his first competitive game other than that practice match in SL. NZ most likely will lose unless their batters show up in second dig. So it could be his only FC game before the WI ODI series in October Nabi is lucky he will go and play 3 FC games for Surrey. BCCI goes out of their way when it comes to helping Trundlers Edited August 31 by Lone Wolf tapandrun, Suhaan and express bowling 3
tapandrun Posted August 31 Posted August 31 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Gurnoor is alright I think. He needs some cricket under his belt tbh. Since Eng tour this is probably his first competitive game other than that practice match in SL. NZ most likely will lose unless their batters show up in second dig. So it could be his only FC game before the WI ODI series in October yes crkt and game time is okay, you do not bowl 8 overs straight by a 145+ kmph bowler 4 overs 5 overs max. spells Edited August 31 by tapandrun express bowling and Lone Wolf 2
singhvivek141 Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Seems like they went with top wicket takers in Ranji Nidheesh 35 year old 28 wickets in 2026 Ranji season in 7 games 21.53 avge Shreyas GOpal 33 year old (almost) 48 wickets in 2026 Ranji season in 10 games 23.14 avge Kaverappa 27 year old 21 wickets in 2026 Ranji season in 6 games 20.04 avge Tanay Tyagarajan 30 year old 27 wickets 2026 Ranji season in 5 games 25.55 avge Basically 4 top wicket takers in south zone are playing. May be they are in form. Funnily from hyderabad SIraj 2 matches 6 wckets 37.33 avgerage. From Karnataka Prasdham 4 matches 18 wickets 23.22 avge. Sai kishore took 20 wickets. Lean season. But he is out with injury anyway. Gurjapneet 10 wickets in 3 games 23.10 avge. SZ should have played Yarra Prithviraj over Tanay Thyagarajan & Eden Apple Tom over Nidheesh. Kaverappa is fine, Gopal is too old now...Yash Raj Punja may have been a wild card choice but a good one. And these replacements are from the same state, so no conflict as well.. (except Tanay & Yarra). express bowling and tweaker 2
express bowling Posted August 31 Posted August 31 10 minutes ago, tapandrun said: yes crkt and game time is okay, you do not bowl 8 overs straight by a 145+ kmph bowler 4 overs 5 overs max. spells I checked his spells. [ 5 + 6 ] + 5 + 2 + 2 The first spell was 5 last night and 6 today morning. tapandrun 1
vvvslaxman Posted August 31 Posted August 31 41 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Think times were diff. this a small window for domestic ranji players to show-up , if they perform here they can be selected as Ind tst side is in transition and there will be transition in Odi side as well after wc Backroom push, influence, x factor, captain's backing, coach's backing, IPL influence, Ranji performance, A team performance, Luck, IPL, marketability ( someone gets injured you get to play).. so many factors are at play these days. In terms of exposure IPL, in terms of backing coach's favorite then Captain's favorite play a bigger role. Captain can still screw someone's career if he wants. KUldeep was not given an over for 26 overs in SL. They kicked him out. Tyagi is not even in discussion. Sushant mishra was not given enough chance by RR. But they kept giving chance to Brijesh.
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