Need complete overhaul of our bowling

[urbestfriend]

ever heard of body language, Rajesh. the guy in the middle is wearing batting gear for god's sake.

:fail: Do you think this is taken when they are bowling :hysterical::hysterical: from cricinfo,

Karnataka's fast bowling trio of S Aravind, R Vinay Kumar and Abhimanyu Mithun pose for the cameras, Karnataka v Uttar Pradesh, Ranji Trophy 2009-10 2nd semi-final, Bangalore, 3rd day, January 5, 2010

[fineleg]

Fontaine and Shwetabh, 1. Are you saying the pitches in Pak are less patta than in India? 2. Are the pitches in SL more conducive to pacers than in India? (not talking spin here) Even today, SL bowlers did a far better job to restrict the opposition to 250. What is the excuse for the indiscipline of the Ind bowling lineup?

[punjabi_khota]

Fontaine and Shwetabh, 1. Are you saying the pitches in Pak are less patta than in India? 2. Are the pitches in SL more conducive to pacers than in India? (not talking spin here) Even today, SL bowlers did a far better job to restrict the opposition to 250. What is the excuse for the indiscipline of the Ind bowling lineup?

1). No. 2). Yes.

[Show_stopper]

The answer to the seocnd quesion would be an emphatic "yes"!!

[vvvslaxman]

952/6 declared 624 runs partnership between Sanga/Mahela come to my mind

[The Outsider]

Fontaine and Shwetabh, 1. Are you saying the pitches in Pak are less patta than in India? 2. Are the pitches in SL more conducive to pacers than in India? (not talking spin here) Even today, SL bowlers did a far better job to restrict the opposition to 250. What is the excuse for the indiscipline of the Ind bowling lineup?

I've addressed this several times in this thread itself : 1. No, but which soorma phaasht bowler has Pakistan produced in ODIs? 2. Definitely yes, just look at how the same Zaheer pwned Sri Lanka in our tours there.

[coffee_rules]

ever heard of body language, Rajesh. the guy in the middle is wearing batting gear for god's sake.

You mean like this..

[Fontaine]

Fontaine and Shwetabh, 1. Are you saying the pitches in Pak are less patta than in India? 2. Are the pitches in SL more conducive to pacers than in India? (not talking spin here) Even today, SL bowlers did a far better job to restrict the opposition to 250. What is the excuse for the indiscipline of the Ind bowling lineup?

When was the last time Pakistan played a full season of ODI cricket at home? All of their bowlers have been bowling outside of Pak because of the extra curricular activities of some brain dead locals in pakistan. But I do remember the last time Pakistan played in the subcontinent. Yeah, that's right the kitkat and asia cups where their bowlers routinely gave up 300 plus totals. They've had a long break to work on their bowling and so on. Where as in the same time our bowlers have been overbowled on flat decks plus IPL which has pretty much screwed up the way our young bowlers bowl. People talk about Irfan as a possible replacement. Pathan used to be able to bowl with great seam position but in the past two years this guy has completely ruined they way he bowls by trying 3-4 variations an over from T20 and 50 over cricket. Instead he scrambles the seam, trying to bowl cutters and other slower balls all of which he sucks at.

[Fontaine]

Think about it logically. If one or two our bowlers was doing poorly AND the others were doing a lot better at the same time then I would understand that it's only to do with a couple of bowlers being out of form. But the FACT is everyone from Pathan, ZK, RP, Ishant, PK, and now Sreesanth are giving up a huge amount of runs and are out of form. All of these guys are having a tough time because when a bowler does go out of form through injury or fatigue then they can't just get their confidence back on flat pitches where they routinely concede 60-70 runs in their 10 overs. Look at the ODI match that was abandoned. If our bowlers got more oppurtunities on similar (not the same) kinds of pitches that had seam movement and good bounce then naturally their confidence would much improved and they would actually plan and setup batsmen and get them out. Instead right now, every bowler just hopes to prevent boundaries and prays that the catch is taken by our useless fielders.

[The Dark Horse]

Dhoni doesnt have confidence in new players, I dont know why..given that he encourages all he has always had an obsession with tried players who have succeeded at the internaltional level for some period of time/ shown potential- but when it comes to trying out new youngsters it is still a ? mark.

[f.b.m]

The only problem with those surfaces that I can think of is that the toss effectively decides the match. But then again, it already does in places like SA and Sri Lanka. Oh and the Delhi pitch was amazing for the 20 odd overs in which they played on it.

[Ram]

Sriram' date= he's tried bowling spinners in power plays, and the returns we've gotten are not much different from how the pacers have been doing. He may have succeeded with that plan a while back but not anymore. I can recall quite a few matches when Harbhajan has bowled within the first 15 overs but the opposition still got away to a good start. Irfan is a superior bat to Jadeja, but as a bowler, he has proven to be far too expensive. Jadeja has been better (at least in the recent times).

When did that happen? If me memory serves me right, one of the rare instances of Bhajji bowling in the PP overs was during the last match against B'desh. Other than that, he almost always comes on to bowl after the batting powerplay. I know that Irfan bowls a lot of rubbish, but I doubt if he could be any worse than the current group of quicks, who regularly concede 6, 6.5 runs per over, DAY IN AND DAY OUT. And to make matters worse, they then go on to the outfield and drop catches and act as the Gateway of India, allowing balls to pass through their legs. The thing is, we can get away with such mediocre bowling only on subcontinental pitches and against ordinary teams like Sri Lanka. Otherwise, we will be brutally exposed, like it happened in CT and against Australia.

[Dinx - the Jinx]

Lets not be too harsh on our bowlers... During the ODI series against Australia and Sri Lanka back home, most of the junta here tore our bowling attack into pieces with some really harsh words.. Agreed that they were clueless on the flat tracks.. but once they got the opportunity to bowl in conditions that were not out and out batsmen friendly, they have come back well... I have a feeling that our bowling attack will do well in any condition other than what they get in India.. Our bowlers have been doing well in many a bilateral ODI series in the last couple of years barring the Indian ODI series and the Champions trophy.. so, they are alright... Dont have to worry too much... Having said that we need to be also cautious about the WorldCup next year... I hope not all the venues come up with full and full patta wicket... thereby taking the bowlers out of the questons and making it a battle of the batters...

[cowboysfan]

this pathetic performance should be a wake up call before the world cup. we do need a complete overhaul of our bowling.I would start by not picking bowlers like zak,sree and ishant for limited overs cricket.Irfan would should be in the mix in the next 11 months heading into the world cup. I would also sincerely request BCCI to stop preparing patta wickets for the world cup.We are better off giving our spinners and part timers some help.

[Ram]

There's reason for optimism as far as our bowling is concerned. We're far from ideal, but at least we're getting better. In fact, ours was the only bowling attack in the tournament that ran the side batting second close. We lost both those games to Lanka, but at least we made it reasonably hard for them.

[cowboysfan]

^^ color me unimpressed when we lose to what is essentially a sri lanka b bowling attack,i would rate our limited overs bowling as the 8th best in the world.as i have said many times all our efforts should be towards gearing up for the world cup(s) coming up and i have yet to see light at the end of tunnel.srresanth and ishant are not going to win us the world cup(plus they cant bat).

[Ram]

^^ color me unimpressed when we lose to what is essentially a sri lanka b bowling attack' date='i would rate our limited overs bowling as the 8th best in the world.as i have said many times all our efforts should be towards gearing up for the world cup(s) coming up and i have yet to see light at the end of tunnel.srresanth and ishant are not going to win us the world cup(plus they cant bat).[/quote'] Bottom line, we do NOT need a world class bowling attack, but a working-class bowling attack. Our batting is good enough to compensate for any failings in our bowling. The combo of Zaheer, Bhajji, Jadeja and two of Sreesanth, Tyagi, Nehra or Praveen Kumar are more than handy. All we ask for them is to be disciplined and honest. But, in the recent past, we did not see it happening. But things are improving.

[cowboysfan]

your theory is not going to work in tournaments,one bad batting performance is all that takes to crash out of the tournament.If you rely exclusively on your batting to win you games then you will not win tournaments as we have see many times in the recent past. we need a bowling unit that can step up when our batsmen put up a mediocre score.they need to take early wickets and have to bowl with discipline.

[spectre]

Keep Sreesanth very very far away from ODIs/T20. He is a run gutter. He should be there only for tests, provided he keeps bowling well Ishant - '' ditto " Zaheer Khan - hard to say, he should be our No.1 test bowler, he has to given a couple more ODI series to see if he gets his form back in shorter version Nehra - to be kept for only the shorter versions Throw dartbhajan into some deep sh1thole and keep giving chances to Jadeja, Mishra, Ohja etc, hoping one of them can be become a better ODI spinner and find some bowlers in this whole country to bowl consistently tight lines with variations and yorkers We dont need any express phasst bowlers now, some ODI and T20 specialists else Bye Bye Worldcup :((

[vvvslaxman]

One dayers need nervless, intelligent bowlers who is street smart. This length bowling at 130ks will be slaughtered by most teams. Indian batsmen will be under tremendous pressure to deliver every single time.