Duncan Fletcher to be the new Indian Coach

[asterix]

Lets see how players like UV, Bhajji, Kohli get on with him..

[Fontaine]

So out of all the years he's been coaching the only valid criticism is that he hasn't dealt with the media well when coach of England? No big deal, you can screw the media as long as the team gets results on the field.

[saneindian]

Fletcher preferred Giles over Swann. Will he prefer Jadeja over Ojha/Mishra? :cantstop:

[Karan114]

U are completely wrong. He wasnt obsessed with spinners needing to bat but that bowlers should contribute with bat something Kristen also always stressed . Swann was not selected because of his attitude problems which now he seems to have learned now.

No, you are wrong - Fletcher's view was that orthodox finger spinners can't succeed in Test cricket these days and so need to be able to bat and field to justify their spot. This is not the same thing as bowlers needing to improve their batting in general which every team does.

[abhinav]

Fletcher may not be egotistic but is headstrong and likes to impose his thinking on others. Just read his newspaper coulumns for the Guardian. At his age he won't change and there could be some difficult times ahead as often as with England it has been his way or the highway. Several Eng players were dropped in the past if they were not seen to be pulling their weight. He also likes multi-dimensional players so you have to be good in fielding as well as batting/bowling. The likes of Munaf Patel may see their international career's coming to an end. One good thing is that the lazy mentality (esp in terms of fielding) of some the Indian players will be in for a rude awakening as Fletcher does not take any prisoners, it will be shape up or ship out.

Guardian, you said? Urge you to read my post number 34 on this very thread.

[BeautifulGame]

Fletcher may not be egotistic but is headstrong and likes to impose his thinking on others. Just read his newspaper coulumns for the Guardian. At his age he won't change and there could be some difficult times ahead as often as with England it has been his way or the highway. Several Eng players were dropped in the past if they were not seen to be pulling their weight. He also likes multi-dimensional players so you have to be good in fielding as well as batting/bowling. The likes of Munaf Patel may see their international career's coming to an end. One good thing is that the lazy mentality (esp in terms of fielding) of some the Indian players will be in for a rude awakening as Fletcher does not take any prisoners, it will be shape up or ship out.

Why should we decide someone based on what they write on Newspaper coloumns rather than what they did with England Are u suggesting this is wrong?We should keep selecting players even if they are not fully commited? Ever heard of Monty Panesar ?

[BeautifulGame]

No' date=' you are wrong - Fletcher's view was that orthodox finger spinners can't succeed in Test cricket these days and so need to be able to bat and field to justify their spot. This is not the same thing as bowlers needing to improve their batting in general which every team does.[/quote'] He didnt say anything like that .He didnt select any orthodox finger spinner for England because they were not good enough at that time .

[Fontaine]

But there is one thing that bothers me. Under Fletcher, England absolutely sucked in ODIs. I really hope it was just the England team and not anything Fletcher was doing because the last thing we need is a new coach wrecking our ODI dominance.

[BeautifulGame]

Took England from bottom of the rankings to number 2, including Ashes win, away wins in SL, Pak, SA, Windies. Clean sweep of Tests one summer. Isnt this a great achievement ?

[abhinav]

Well, Troy Cooley was credited with the success of the seam attack (though Cooley hasn't been as successful with the Aussie seamers so maybe it was just the talent of those English bowlers rather than coaching). As for Giles, actually Fletcher is obsessed with spinners needing to bat - he kept out Swann so I don't think his handling of spinners is worth praise. Agreed that he knows the SA and English games thoroughly, though, and that should be an advantage. But by far my biggest concern is his controlling nature - it simply will not work in Indian cricket. Hopefully Kirsten has spoken to him about this and he will adjust appropriately.

Swann was not kept out due to Fletcher's whims, he really did have a severe attitude problem which he even confesses to. The following link might be worth a read for you. The title of the story very aptly is: "Graeme Swann's bust-ups that so nearly forced England's star spinner to give up" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1239705/Graeme-Swanns-bust-ups-nearly-forced-Englands-star-spinner-up.html

[BeautifulGame]

But there is one thing that bothers me. Under Fletcher, England absolutely sucked in ODIs. I really hope it was just the England team and not anything Fletcher was doing because the last thing we need is a new coach wrecking our ODI dominance.

To be fair to him their sucking under Flower too . England players seem to have genetical problem against ODIs Even then Fletcher took them to the final of CT which they should have won .

[The Outsider]

There was a lot of criticism on ICF when Kirsten was appointed as well - things like what will he teach Dravid and Tendulkar, greenhorn to coaching etc. Fletcher should be given some time - it's not necessary that he will interact and work with the Indian team in the same way he did with the English team. In fact, if he is good he will do things differently. For example, during his tenure with England, he placed a lot of emphasis on solid test batting out of not very gifted batsmen. He won't need to do that with India, so obviously his approach will be different. I do have one apprehension though - he played a very big role in squad and team selection. Not sure if that's a good idea.

[sandeep]

Could have done much worse i guess. and I don't know why Fleming all of a sudden is supposed to be this awesome coach. Couldn't stand that smug ***ard when he was playing. Pros - Fletcher has a proven track record - knows the pom team well, knows the oz team well. Anyway, Coach's role is not that big in cricket - we have a good team with good guys - they will keep taking care of business...

[sandeep]

I do have one apprehension though - he played a very big role in squad and team selection. Not sure if that's a good idea.

+++ But I think Dhoni and BCCI Baabus will take care of this issue...

[vvvslaxman]

Will reserve my comments.

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[Sooda]

Interesting read: What Fletcher did for England http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/current/story/348061.html Marcus Trescothick, who made his debut in 2000, shortly after Fletcher took the helm, remembers his first impressions clearly. "The way he operated in a tough environment really struck me. He managed to bring players together. It was not easy because there were quite a few older, experienced players, and the cricket was lingering on from years before, but he managed to gel the team. Also, he made sure everyone knew where they stood. He had strong ideas, and everyone was clear what was expected of them." His method was to be one taken from business, in which he had plenty of experience in both Zimbabwe and South Africa. He believed strongly in having a management group of senior players who would report problems to him and the captain, while feeding information back to team-mates from those in charge. At the same time he strongly believed in players learning to think for themselves, using him and other coaches more as consultants to their game, rather than being told what to do. He was particularly keen on analysis, but wasn't about to shove it down throats. It was very new and very different to a crop of players used to a coach occasionally telling them that their foot was getting too far across or their elbow wasn't high enough.

[cowboysfan]

I am really vacilliating on this appointment.he may be the right guy to mould our younger guys with his tougher approach but i am doubtful if he can maintain a good reationship with the seniors and the media,his age is also a big hindrance.It feels like a stopgap appointment till someone like Fleming is ready to take over.

[Blueraphael]

Wow...that came out of the blue. I didn't even know that he was in the running.Was he really referred to by Gary Kirsten??? Anyway, I think that some of us are jumping the gun an bit with all the criticism. The guy hasnt even started the job yet. I remember when Gary first came in, my friends thought that with his lack of coaching experience, he might not be too good. Well, things turned out different then...no reason, it shouldn' thappen this time around. He did a decent enough of job with England barring a few excpetions. And lets be honest, they aren't exactly rolling in talent. One of the biggest challenges for him would be to breed a coupla world class fast bowlers.A criticism he faced when with England was that he concentrated a lot on tailenders having a bat. What India needs is bowlers. We produce batsmen at the rate of knots :cantstop:commentary cliche:--D Either ways, it will be interesting to follow him through his time here. Btw, whose the interim coach for the WI tour???

[Cricket Tragic]

:nervous: He has his theories and loves his analysis. I remember reading his book a few years back and it covered India's tour in 2002. Crazy level of analysis on how to dismiss Tendulkar. I just hope that he adjusts to the Indian system. There is no way that he will have the same control that he had with England.