Anti-Trundlers Club: Membership Open

[zen]

I am glad to open up 'anti-trundlers club' to everyone Membership criteria: * Trundlers bowling, esp in tests, irritates the hell out of you * When you watch the trundlers bowl, you feel like putting your pads on and smashing them * Aggressive expressions made by trundlers makes you go :hysterical: * When you watch the ball reach the batsman slower than the bowlers run-up, you wonder if this is some kind of a joke * when a trundler bowls a yorker, you think its a flighted ball on stumps Membership rules: * Oppose any trundler bowling for Ind, even though he could swing the ball a little * Spread the gospel that you need at least some amount of pace to be playing test cricket, unless you are a spinner * SR > ER, in tests you will not support a bowler who looks more to bowl economically than bowl to pick up wkts * Support bowlers who bowl quick and look to pick up wkts. If these bowlers swing, reverse and create awkward bounce than you will support them even strongly The goal is to encourage a fast bowling culture in India. The mindset that speed is not that important and if you can bowl economically then you are going a decent job should be thrown out. Coaches who suggest cutting down on pace instead of encouraging going all out and learning skills like ability to reverse should not be given priority :isalute: PS addition to membership criteria

[Septimius Severus]

1rd OP is the trundler spearhead of ICF.

[CSK Fan]

* SR > ER' date=' in tests you will not support a bowler who looks more to bowl economically than bowl to pick up wkts [/quote'] http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_strike_rate;team=6;template=results;type=bowling P Kumar 5 10 1371 599 25 5/106 7/169 23.96 2.62 54.8 1 0 I Sharma 2007-2011 36 64 7019 3993 121 6/55 10/108 33.00 3.41 58.0 3 1 Z Khan 2000-2011 79 144 15837 8676 273 7/87 10/149 31.78 3.28 58.0 10 1 S Sreesanth 2006-2011 25 48 5029 2990 84 5/40 8/99 35.59 3.56 59.8 3 0 :giggle:

[zen]

A tribute to Srinath Q4NST8PVMJo

It was November 23, 1996 when Javagal Srinath ripped the heart out of the visiting South African batting line-up, taking six for 21 in the first Test. It was a world-class display of express pace and this fact was not lost on the then Indian captain Sachin Tendulkar who said: "It was one of the greatest exhibitions of fast bowling I have seen from an Indian for a long time." It is a long way back even to try and find an Indian bowler of the pace of Srinath, the 'Karnataka Express'. In a country of more than a billion people, Srinath has been a rare jewel. Perhaps the value that he held can only truly be appreciated now that he has departed the test arena. Stories have emerged of genuinely fast Indian bowlers of the past, but I was not around to see the likes of Mohammad Nissar play his six tests in the 1930s. And I don't think anyone alive could truly testify to the pace of Mehallasha Pavri back in the 1890s. Of the Indian pacers in modern times, none could seriously be considered anywhere near the pace of Srinath. Even Srinath's predecessor, Kapil Dev, was considered by astute judges as merely a medium pacer who took plenty of wickets due to his guile and lateral movement. Srinath was a genuinely fast bowler and in the period between about 1995 and March 1997 Srinath's pace was at times frightening. He was right up there with the fastest men in the game. Perhaps at times Srinath was even No 1 in the pace stakes but just how fast he was at his peak we will never know. What we do know is that following South Africa's tour of India late in 1996, India travelled to South Africa where speed guns were in operation. Between December '96 and February '97 Srinath's speeds were timed in excess of 150kph and were comparable to those of both Allan Donald and South Africa's 'new' pace sensation Lance Klusener. Whilst Klusener's fastest ball came in at 154kph and he proved at the time to be faster than Donald, it has been brought to my attention on numerous occasions that Srinath pipped them both with one particular delivery measured at 156kph. This particular delivery was reported by a major Indian News service although the exact date and the match in question has not been confirmed. Some six years on, and all three of these men now struggle to reach 140kph on a good day. In March 1997, when Srinath should have been at the peak of his powers, the rotator cuff problem which he had been carrying since September '96 flared and shoulder surgery became inevitable. Some questioned whether Srinath would ever bowl again, let alone rank along side the quickest men in the game. In 1998, Australia toured India and for the first time on Indian soil the speed guns were to be a fixture. The Indian press chose to give the speed battle between Glenn McGrath and Srinath top billing but most so-called 'experts' at the time found this to be bordering on the insane. After all, Glenn McGrath was up there with Donald as the world's fastest bowlers, and that Srinath was never anything more than a 'military medium' bowler, right? Wrong. In their first encounter with the new speed guns, Srinath clocked 148kph while McGrath, although the fastest of the rest, was a whopping seven kph behind Srinath at 141kph. At the time, many people found these figures inconceivable and chose to dismiss them in error, but with the advantage of hindsight, we understand these speeds to be correct. Later on in that series, Srinath bowled a fastest ball of 149.6kph and was not far from his top pace before the shoulder operation. Bowling speeds also received huge publicity in the lead-up to the 1999 World Cup when all eyes were on Shoaib Akhtar. The question was not 'who was the fastest' but 'who could come close to the Rawlpindi Express'? Not much was known about bowling speeds at the time and some still rated McGrath and Donald fast enough to challenge Shoaib. At the tournament's first match Srinath and McGrath went head to head once more. This time it was evident for all the world to see that Javagal Srinath was no medium pacer, but was a genuine speedster clocking up 149.6kph once again and bettering McGrath's best speed by some 9kph. Srinath proved to be the second fastest bowler of the tournament next to Shoaib (154.5kph) while surprise pacemen Geoff Allott of New Zealand (146.5kph) and Jacques Kallis (146.4kph) left the pace of McGrath and Donald looking decidedly bland. Javagal Srinath could now lay claim to being the second fastest bowler in the world. During the three years following the 1999 World Cup, Srinath's pace has waned and nowadays he struggles to exceed 140kph. It is ironic that the time which he has chosen to leave the Test arena is the time when he would have received the most help. If Srinath had been given some quality assistance in the pace department over the past 10 years then perhaps he would not have been so sorely over-used and he would still have another three or so years at 140kph left in him. His recent speeds in the mid-130s(kph) gave proof that shouldering the burden of responsibility for so long at the head of the Indian attack had finally taken its toll on his body. The current crop of Indian 'quicks' bowl at a lively pace with Ashish Nehra, Zaheer Khan and Ajit Agarkar all able to bowl above 140kph, the latter two able to crank it up to 145kph on occasion. But over the past three years, the rest of the world has gotten faster whilst India has lost it's spearhead. If the World Cup were to be held tomorrow then India would realistically not have one bowler featuring amongst the world's 10 fastest. Srinath is almost definitely the fastest bowler India has ever produced. He was a rare jewel to be treasured while at the peak of his powers and all Indian cricket fans wait with bated breath for their next 'one in a billion' express paceman to emerge. LINK

[zen]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_strike_rate;team=6;template=results;type=bowling P Kumar 5 10 1371 599 25 5/106 7/169 23.96 2.62 54.8 1 0 I Sharma 2007-2011 36 64 7019 3993 121 6/55 10/108 33.00 3.41 58.0 3 1 Z Khan 2000-2011 79 144 15837 8676 273 7/87 10/149 31.78 3.28 58.0 10 1 S Sreesanth 2006-2011 25 48 5029 2990 84 5/40 8/99 35.59 3.56 59.8 3 0 :giggle:

This thread is for members only and for those who understand how stats are made (and not for those whose thinking is based on stats) :winky:

[rkt.india]

@mtc you are comparing 5 matches to 20-30-70+ matches most of which are played on subcontinent pattas

[zen]

@mtc you are comparing 5 matches to 20-30-70+ matches most of which are played on subcontinent pattas

I guess he even thinks PK > Zak .... Based on stats, that's how he seems to have ranked them (as if anyone is going to be convinced by that) :hysterical:

[SachDan]

A tribute to Srinath Q4NST8PVMJo

Brilliant bowling and great captaincy :hail: Remember watching it ball by ball live.

[rkt.india]

@mtc i must remined you.. sreeshanth had 44 wickets in his first 11 test matches. munaf had 24 wickets in 6 tests even after bowling on pattaest track of india and west indies and i wad as excited then as you are now.

[Switchblade]

Brilliant bowling and great captaincy :hail: Remember watching it ball by ball live.

Yep I Think This Match Was Played In Ahmedabad And Saffers Needed 181 or 191 .

[vvvslaxman]

This thread is for members only and for those who understand how stats are made (and not for those whose thinking is based on stats) :winky:

While you are at it start "anti-crap" bowler. Pretty much every Indian bowler would fall under that category. By comparison all Indians bowlers are trundlers.

[zen]

Brilliant bowling and great captaincy :hail: Remember watching it ball by ball live.

That effort by Srinath showed (to me) the true meaning of "opening spell" on Indian pitches

[Fontaine]

Is sreesanth considered a trundler since he was bowling around 127-130 in the 2nd innings of the last test?

[NareshK]

A tribute to Srinath Q4NST8PVMJo

Great match. Debut for Laxman. Also if I remember correctly, Srinath was on a hatrick twice. SA were chasing 170 and bowled out for 105.:giggle: I think Robin Jackman was the commie who said the chase was going to be tough and would be like chasing double the score. He was right.

[zen]

Is sreesanth considered a trundler since he was bowling around 127-130 in the 2nd innings of the last test?

Nope because he has the "ability" to bowl quick. If the fastest balls you can bowl in the prime of your life is less than 137 kmph (85mph) than you are a trundler as per ATC. WbjcH1V24pI nmUqv83JyCI&feature=related if the slower ball a bowler bowls is like the one below then it's OK kqGGEJT-zac&feature=related PS another good clip [ame=

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[zen]

membership criteria: * when a trundler bowls a yorker , you think its a flighted ball on stumps.

:hysterical: *added to the list in OP*

[Trichromatic]

Simple : follow Srinath and not Prasad.

[Sachinism]

Nope because he has the "ability" to bowl quick. If the fastest balls you can bowl in the prime of your life is less than 137 kmph (85mph) than you are a trundler as per ATC. WbjcH1V24pI nmUqv83JyCI&feature=related if the slower ball a bowler bowls is like the one below then it's OK kqGGEJT-zac&feature=related PS another good clip [ame=

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Mark Ealham could bowl 'quick' Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

[CSK Fan]

@mtc you are comparing 5 matches to 20-30-70+ matches most of which are played on subcontinent pattas

No, I am not, yaar. Rett has a history of making ridiculous ascertion, was just trying to match it for a bit with an equally silly post

[CSK Fan]

That effort by Srinath showed (to me) the true meaning of "opening spell" on Indian pitches

Srinath was awesome and he had very good pace too. We never realised his importance while he was playing, he was not hyped much and we did not have speed-guns.