Tendulkar and Zaheer retirement discussion [Poll added]

[Ultimate_Game]

Fine, accepted on the point of Kallis not facing SA bowlers, but the fact remains, when he faced the last world class bowling opposition - the Aussies, he continuously failed. I have quoted stats and explained my opinions. You have not quoted a single statistic comparing Sachin and Kallis, yet you state Kallis as the better batsman as a matter of fact. What is your argument ?

How about a career batting average of 57+ spanning 157 Tests with 44 100s? Is that argument good enough for you or all his runs were "cheap" and only Tendulkar scored the runs that really counted?

[cybervickey]

You guys have tp be the most un-thankful bunch to be asking for GOD's retirement. I mean come on , show some respect. He is having a rough patch right now. This is where real fans count.Anybody can join the bandwagon when someone is performing.A true fan is one who backs a player when they are down.Tendulkar still has couple or years of cricket left in him .He himself said hat he will retire when he stops enjoying his cricket.I think that we should take his word for it because he has earned that kind of respect.

[Old guy]

too bad game is not about being fanboy for life..its abt going out there and performing and i u dont perform for 2 years u have got to go

[cybervickey]

too bad game is not about being fanboy for life..its abt going out there and performing and i u dont perform for 2 years u have got to go

Show some respect .Its not about being a fanboy .Its about appreciating what you got. Tendulkar in a once in a lifetime kind of batsmen.Its not his fault that every time he goes out to bat we expect a 100 from him .We were singing the same song when Dravid and VVX wern't performing. See how we a missing them now. The outcome of the second test woul'dve been different if Dravid or VVX were playing. Why would you wanna kick out one experienced bastmen who is a proven matchwinner ?. ghar ki murghi daal barabar syndrome is pretty obvious here.

[Old guy]

Show some respect .Its not about being a fanboy .Its about appreciating what you got. Tendulkar in a once in a lifetime kind of batsmen.Its not his fault that every time he goes out to bat we expect a 100 from him .We were singing the same song when Dravid and VVX wern't performing. See how we a missing them now. The outcome of the second test woul'dve been different if Dravid or VVX were playing. Why would you wanna kick out one experienced bastmen who is a proven matchwinner ?.

yes whole world respects and appreciate tendulkar;s talent but its sports we are talking about as u age u lose ur ability no onei s denying he did well before and is atg but people want him out cos they know he wont perform in coming matches see the difference ? also for a change watch him bat now a days maybe i wont have to explain every fan of his why he will never perform like before again :) its not just him ponting is going through same and even he hsould quit.. dravid saw that he wasnt good enough anymore so he quit YES WE WILL MISS TENDULKAR AT HIS PRIME but not tendulkar who is playing right now..either he can keep on struggling or we can try some new player and maybe have another pujara? :winky: think about it would we have missed tendulkar in australia ? or had tendulkar didnt play this current series would we have missed anything? maybe some embarrassment... i just dont get it.. why is asking a plyer to retire when he is finished considered wrong? for me team should consist of ur best 11 players on performance and not name ..u can keep hoping that he will score runs ...but it wont make a difference he is getting worse with every innings...but logic of urs he is supposed to play forever cos once upon a time he was gr8 player.. why not bring gavaskar and kapil back too ?they were gr8 players too no ?

[Nova]

@ cybervicky Watch the video here: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=2180347&postcount=752 Hope you understand hindi.

[Ultimate_Game]

You guys have tp be the most un-thankful bunch to be asking for GOD's retirement. I mean come on ' date=' show some respect. He is having a rough patch right now. This is where real fans count.Anybody can join the bandwagon when someone is performing.A true fan is one who backs a player when they are down.Tendulkar still has couple or years of cricket left in him .He himself said hat he will retire when he stops enjoying his cricket.I think that we should take his word for it because he has earned that kind of respect.[/quote'] What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

[rageaddict]

Very Sad at SRT . Wth has happened to him and the team after Gary's departure .

[adi B]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

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[velu]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

completely agree with this :two_thumbs_up:

[Deleted_User_1]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

You hit the nail on head!

[wobblydoggy]

Lets face it, at this moment he is a walking wicket. But he like Ponting has the potential to come good. We still fear him, it will only take one good knock to get him in the groove again. Hopefully that knock will come in the one day matches

[rkt.india]

Lets face it, at this moment he is a walking wicket. But he like Ponting has the potential to come good. We still fear him, it will only take one good knock to get him in the groove again. Hopefully that knock will come in the one day matches

He wont play one days clashing with winter vacations of his kids and will be celebrating Christmas with them somewhere in Vancouver. :winky:

[Crookbond]

Sachin Tendulkar and Retirement

On Monday morning at Wankhede, four players: Gambhir, Harbhajan, Ojha and Zaheer, batted in the nets. It was the fourth day of the second Test match between India and England and in these four remaining batsmen rested India’s hopes of stretching the small lead. After they were done, he walked out; to take a few throw downs. He had no further role to play as a batsman in the match and yet he wouldn’t skip a net practice. After a while when the fourth umpire asked him to stop practising as it was time to take down the nets, he argued with the umpire so he could play for a few extra minutes. For all his dedication to the sport, time is fast running out for Sachin Tendulkar, as the din of people asking for his retirement becomes louder. There are numbers that substantiate his lean run. In 27 innings since the World Cup in 2011, Sachin has scored 870 runs at an average of 32. In the last ten innings, the drought of runs has been severe as he has scored only 153 runs. In 2007-08, Sachin went 17 innings without a century. Now he hasn’t scored a hundred in Tests for 28 innings. Batsmen have phases when they don’t score enough runs but it is not always due to loss of form. In England and Australia, Tendulkar often middled the ball and his timing was rarely amiss. His 34 at Lords was as fluent as any innings played by Sachin; before he succumbed to a near unplayable delivery by Stuart Broad. For those who saw his knock of 73 against Australia at MCG, his retirement was not a thought in the deepest corners of their mind. But India lost all Tests on both those tours, and Tendulkar’s failures got magnified. For a man on whom the team has heavily depended for nearly two decades, his personal achievements have been glorified beyond measure and his failures have been aggressively vilified. In the home series against New Zealand, Tendulkar failed again. But it was the manner of his dismissals that raised questions. After getting clean-bowled in the three innings against New Zealand, Sunil Gavaskar in the commentary box said, “It worries me the way Sachin Tendulkar is getting bowled.” Sachin has in the past struggled against the ball that comes in but he has worked on it then. Gavaskar’s suggestion though alluded to a possible slowing of reflexes due to age. When against spin of Monty Panesar, Tendulkar fell cheaply, twice, in the Mumbai Test, it appeared that the end is nigh. Tendulkar has had lean patches in his career before but he has always bounced back. When errors crept into his batting, he has corrected them through hard work and ingenuity. A young body is capable of making adjustments that the one which is 39 years old might find difficult and that is why his present predicament is different. After playing cricket for more than 20 years, the wearied hands and legs refuse to understand the intentions of the mind. Yet writers and former cricketers have got it wrong about the man before. Rohit Brijnath, in 2007 wrote, “I was wrong about Sachin Tendulkar. Earlier this year, his struggle painful to watch, I wondered: if he couldn’t mirror the exalted standard of his past, then why play? It was a miscalculation of the rage that courses through the uncommon athlete’s veins.” The question then is simple: Is Tendulkar on present form good enough to find a place in playing XI? The answer though is not simple. Rahul Dravid and Tendulkar, even when they have been out of form, have never been dropped from the team. They have never had to go back to domestic cricket to fix anything about their game. Their pedigree is the reason why they have been treated differently. Tendulkar’s position in Indian cricket has been special. The position has been accorded to him over the many years that he has played cricket, by his fans and the board that runs cricket in India. It is these very fans who have questioned this position each time Sachin has failed. No individual is bigger than the team. Tendulkar being treated as if there is nobody holier-than-thou tells you as much about the psyche of this nation and its need for superheroes as it tells you about his contribution to Indian cricket. Fans worry that his recent failures will tarnish his legacy. Ian Thorpe who is trying to make a comeback said, “People forget athletes were once kids who love what they do. I am finding that love again. I am prepared to sacrifice my legacy for (that) love.” Sachin wants to play the game for as long as he enjoys it. He doesn’t have a list of things he wants to achieve before he retires. He has nowhere mentioned that he will retire only after he has helped India win in South Africa and Australia, only two trophies missing from his trophy cabinet. But should a player in a team sport be allowed to play for as long as he enjoys the game even when he is not doing well? More importantly, can a player enjoy the game if he is performing badly? So then who decides when Tendulkar should retire? Dravid when asked by Prem Panicker about how he arrived at his decision to retire said, “It’s a combination of so many things, really – it is about where I am as a person, where I am as a player, where Indian cricket is today and where it is going, and what I see as my role in that onward journey or whether I see a role for myself at all…it is about so many different things. It is about listening to your inner voices – throughout your playing life your body is telling you things, your mind is telling you things, and you listen and you process all of that. And it is not like I sat down one day with a check list of questions and thought about them and at the end I had my answer – these and similar questions occurred to me over the past several months, years; and the answers come in incremental stages, sometimes even sub-consciously.” Will Tendulkar arrive at the decision like Dravid did? Or will he know one fine morning that ‘this is it’? Isn’t it a responsibility of the selectors and the team captain and the coach to discuss his decision with him? Then there is a flipside. We perceive that Tendulkar’s present failures are a result of his advanced age. CK Nayudu hit two sixes in the last Ranji match that he played at the age of 59. What if 39 is not old enough?

http://stuckinaloop.me/2012/11/sachin-tendulkar-and-retirement/ What an end to the article! :--D

[Nova]

Sachin Tendulkar should speak to selectors about future: Kapil Dev NEW DELHI: Saddened by the criticism that Sachin Tendulkar is facing due to his lean run, former Indian captain Kapil Dev said the veteran batsman should speak to the selectors about his future. Tendulkar's poor run continued in the recently-concluded second Test against England which the visitors won in just four days despite the track being tailor-made to India's demands. Following the 39-year-old's most recent failure, ex-captain Sunil Gavaskar said it was time for him to speak to the selectors. And now, Kapil has echoed his former teammate's view. "Either selectors should speak to him or Sachin should himself have a word with them. The problem is that Sachin does not speak about it openly and the selectors have also been mum about it till now," Kapil said. "This results in confusion amongst the fans and also invites criticism from everyone, especially when Sachin performs badly. Selectors should talk to him openly. He (Sachin) is a hero and one feels really bad to see fingers being pointed at him," he said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournament/england-in-india-2012/top-stories/Sachin-Tendulkar-should-speak-to-selectors-about-future-Kapil-Dev/articleshow/17384108.cms

[Crookbond]

^ Kapil Dev before the Test series :facepalm: Sachin should judge when to retire himself: Kapil Dev

Agra: Former Indian cricket captain Kapil Dev feels Sachin Tendulkar is the best person to decide when he would like to retire from international cricket. "A great player like Sachin knows when he should retire and it is not for me to comment about. The memory of great players lives for a long long time. For instance Sunil Gavaskar is still remembered for his great achievements," Kapil said here. Quizzed about other issues confronting Indian cricket, Kapil said the absence of players like Rahul Dravid and V V S Laxman would be felt for a long time, as no alternative to the two had been found yet. (Related read: Kapil bats for India vs Pakistan series) However, he kept mum when asked about his opinion on the IPL.

http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/item/198978-sachin-should-judge-when-to-retire-himself-kapil-dev

[Nova]

^ Kapil Dev before the Test series :facepalm: Sachin should judge when to retire himself: Kapil Dev

No need for face palm, because these are not contradicting statements from Kapil. 1. SRT should decide for himself. 2. He needs to communicate about his decisions openly to BCCI. That is all Kapil is saying really. Having said this, SRT has openly said - he will assess his match performance after the England series, and then come to some sort of decision.

[Nova]

What an end to the article! :--D

Enjoyed reading the article. In CK Nayadu's era, fitness was not concern plus I don't think the game was that demanding those days. Age is a prime factor in the modern era of sports. The comparison sounds poetic, but is flawed. Sachin's end is coming...soon! All bhakts need to become mentally prepared now. The time is near for the idol immersion... the time is near for their last prayers.

[Crookbond]

Enjoyed reading the article. In CK Nayadu's era, fitness was not concern plus I don't think the game was that demanding those days. Age is a prime factor in the modern era of sports. The comparison sounds poetic, but is flawed. Sachin's end is coming...soon! All bhakts need to become mentally prepared now. The time is near for the idol immersion... the time is near for their last prayers.

Ganpati! :cantstop:

[ravishingravi]

What's all this cr@p about being "unthankful" and "respect"? We are Indian cricket fans and not Tendulkar fanboys. You make it sound as if Tendulkar was the second coming of Christ who made some great sacrifice. He's a professional sportsperson - nothing more and nothing less - just like Dravid, Laxman, Gavaskar, Kapil and numerous others. Being a sportsperson is just like any other job, i.e. you need to perform or make way for others. You are not owed any favors or entitled to "spot for life" in the team. We don't really care for whether Tendulkar "enjoys his cricket" or not. I enjoy cricket as well but I'm not gonna enjoy it at the cost of the national team. Tendulkar has averaged 15 over the last 10 innings and has barely done anything of note over the last 2 years and it's high time he's kicked out. He's not owed anything by BCCI or the fans. He has played for 23 years and as a result he is a billionaire which he wouldn't have been anywhere near becoming if he hadn't become a cricketer. He gained plenty of money and fame in the process and stop pontificating as if he has made some great sacrifice for the nation. In fact he has shown over the last year or so with the 100th 100 fiasco, his picking & choosing the matches & series, his 100th 100 which cost India the Asia Cup, his preference to spend "quality" time with his kids during their "school vacation" and his preference to play IPL while skipping intl matches/series that he's as selfish as any other bloke. Dravid is one guy whom I have respect for - the guy was selfless to the core and hung up his boots when he saw that he was past it whereas the so called "god" is continuing to cling on to his spot even though he's well past it. And knowing him he'll continue playing home matches and retire when India is about to tour SA leaving the team in the lurch with a newbie and an unsettled lineup. But of course "god" deserves to do so coz team doesn't mean anything, it's all about when bhagwan decides he stops "enjoying" his cricket :giggle:

Can't disagree with this. But it is sad state of affairs and we have called it on ourselves.