US consulate in Chennai attacked, riots in Ghaziabad

[asterix]

The film was produced with malicious intent by usual suspects. To think that it was just a freedom of artisitc expression, will be wrong...

[Crookbond]

Here's an amazing statistic - Google complied with lesser than 40% court orders in the US to take down their content from July to December 2011 [1]. [1] https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/countries/

[Prakat]

Mentally Torture the Muslims, hurt their feelings, make fun of their belief and ideology, directly attack their religion and provoke them by all means, knowing very well what you are doing and what the purpose is and what the outcome may be(All on name of "freedom of expression") & when they try to respond Call them radical and fundamentalist :hatsoff:

Who is forcing you to watch the movie?

[Trichromatic]

Releasing one such movie in a cinema was a step asking for trouble on much much larger scale as compared to one unknown FB page' date=' if I am not wrong until few weeks there was no reaction anywhere even for this movie as not many people were even aware of it then besides releasing it on internet it was even translated in different languages and been shown in other parts of world, same as one fb page do you think?[/quote'] Page might be know to thousands of Pakistanis. If that is not the large enough for getting mentally tortured and killing people in the world, then video shouldn't be the reason either.

[Crookbond]

Seriously, how difficult is to agree to disagree? Now, lets say even if you can't do that and it is indeed "distressing" - the least one can do is eschew violent protests OR is this too much to ask?

[Asim]

You are talking out of misinformation here I am afraid. Google decides on what to take down and what not to according to it's policies. It does not listen to a particular religion or even a country like US. Take some time to check Google's Government Report [0]. The category of the video in discussion is "defamation".

Bro it is a phonecall or any method to contact from any law enforcement agency requesting them to remove any video, thats not the part which matters, the point is They Do Remove, as you can see only in one month they removed 640 from UK and 300 from USA alone. You calling me one who playing victim cards :) case by case they might not but they they do remove on charges of defamation, here if a video is defaming one religion and billion+ people associated with that religion, wonder if I can be labeled as "playing" victim cards.

[CSK Fan]

Mentally Torture the Muslims, hurt their feelings, make fun of their belief and ideology, directly attack their religion and provoke them by all means, knowing very well what you are doing and what the purpose is and what the outcome may be(All on name of "freedom of expression") & when they try to respond Call them radical and fundamentalist :hatsoff:

A porn maker loser made fun of your religion. Not the US, not the American Ambassador. Whom did you kill? People make fun of Jesus all the time on most American shows. Hinduism and Buddhism is made fun of all the times. But only some muslims have not grown up enough and behave like a school girl whose pony tails are pulled. Did the feelings of itsy bitsy baby get hurt now? Will the baby start throwing toys out?

[Crookbond]

Bro it is a phonecall or any method to contact from any law enforcement agency requesting them to remove any video' date=' [b']thats not the part which matters, the point is They Do Remove, as you can see only in one month they removed 640 from UK and 300 from USA alone. You calling me one who playing victim cards :) case by case they might not but they they do remove on charges of defamation, here if a video is defaming one religion and billion+ people associated with that religion, wonder if I can be labeled as "playing" victim cards.

:blink: Asim, It is as simple as this procedure. Step 1 - Raise a complaint Step 2 - YouTube evaluates it Step 3 - YouTube may or may not remove that video I just pointed out that YouTube does not just blindly comply with requests. It removes some videos while it does not remove others. Different people have different tolerance levels. Muslim is not the only religion for which a parody is made on YouTube. There is enough defamation against Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs and even Jews. YouTube does not consider them to be "defamatory" according to their policies PERIOD You seem to hint that they consider defamatory videos from other religions seriously but not for Islam. That's wrong and that's where you are trying to play the 'victim card'.

[CSK Fan]

In my example I was the one who knew whats going to hurt public the most which they wont ignore. Here in this issue he knew very well whats going to hurt all Muslims globally and what they cant ignore, while releasing it on internet they knew very well how any Muslim anywhere in the world would react. Any Muslim can never ignore such thing saying OK I am not watching it, if they knew one such thing exists, watching or not watching not even relevant, they would protest to remove it. Now the part, anyone can do it on internet, here comes next thing which in this case was even more frustrating for Muslims and in my opinion actual trigger point, was the youtube denial for its removal, had they removed it, I am sure it wouldn't hv reached this far. If I am not wrong they every month remove 100s of videos either been flagged or reported in big number or even on a phonecall from some relevant forces etc. Here few states and literally 1/5 of whole world requesting to remove it, yet they denied, fair u think?

But he (the maker) might be evil or mentally retarded. Why react? You keep on calling the mob violence as protests. They are not protests. They are riots and violence and murders. Peaceful protests and dialogue would have got the video removed, you on the other hand are trying to threaten violence to get the video removed.

[Crookbond]

^ MTC, that is a quite contentious point which Asim made. I have even shown data in which YouTube does not take down videos despite coming as "court orders".

Now the part, anyone can do it on internet, here comes next thing which in this case was even more frustrating for Muslims and in my opinion actual trigger point, was the youtube denial for its removal, had they removed it, I am sure it wouldn't hv reached this far. If I am not wrong they every month remove 100s of videos either been flagged or reported in big number or even on a phonecall from some relevant forces etc. Here few states and literally 1/5 of whole world requesting to remove it, yet they denied, fair u think?

This is not the only video YouTube has request to remove. There are enough parodies on other religions out there as well which YouTube does not consider "defamatory" and has NOT taken down. Which part of that is so difficult to understand is beyond my understanding.

[Trichromatic]

:blink: Asim, It is as simple as this procedure. Step 1 - Raise a complaint Step 2 - YouTube evaluates it Step 3 - YouTube may or may not remove that video I just pointed out that YouTube does not just blindly comply with requests. It removes some videos while it does not remove others. Different people have different tolerance levels. Muslim is not the only religion for which a parody is made on YouTube. There is enough defamation against Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs and even Jews. YouTube does not consider them to be "defamatory" according to their policies PERIOD You seem to hint that they consider defamatory videos from other religions seriously but not for Islam. That's wrong and that's where you are trying to play the 'victim card'.

Just want to add here that youtube blocked the video in India on court orders. It was done in many countries. Some countries like Pakistan have demanded remove the video and when youtube didn't remove it, they blocked it. If every country wants to get video blocked then it's not hard to do so. That should be enough? And if any video gets blocked in all countries then the uploader can't publish a long video. That's part of the youtube policy.

[CSK Fan]

^ MTC, that is a quite contentious point which Asim made. I have even shown data in which YouTube does not take down videos despite coming as "court orders". This is not the only video YouTube has request to remove. There are enough parodies on other religions out there as well which YouTube does not consider "defamatory" and has NOT taken down. Which part of that is so difficult to understand is beyond my understanding.

Yes, because youtube only needs to follow its own laws as a private company. That 20% or 50% of the population protest something, should be immaterial to them. They are not owned by the entire earth's population, they are a private company Also imagine if they start removing videos based on protests. Whats going to stop Christians and hindus or Jews wanting to get videos removed too after this? Wouldnt youtube then have to listen to them and remove more videos. Then people from various countries will want vidoes removed. All videos parodying politicians. Videos making fun of french or Indians. Soon over half of youtube videos will have to be removed because someone somewhere will always find something offensive. So they have to stick to their guns. If it doesnt violate their own rules and policies dont remove anything. And the number of protestors should not matter And Asim's point also is, remove the vidoe as it will cause violence. Is this how a civilized world should work, where we cave in to threats of violence. Will the animals who killed the US ambassador take decisions in the world now or else they threaten violence? Soon they would want vidoes of women without burkhas removed from youtube or they will threaten violence. Caving in to terrorists like this is the last thing we should do

[Asim]

:blink: Asim, It is as simple as this procedure. Step 1 - Raise a complaint Step 2 - YouTube evaluates it Step 3 - YouTube may or may not remove that video I just pointed out that YouTube does not just blindly comply with requests. It removes some videos while it does not remove others. Different people have different tolerance levels. Muslim is not the only religion for which a parody is made on YouTube. There is enough defamation against Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs and even Jews. YouTube does not consider them to be "defamatory" according to their policies PERIOD You seem to hint that they consider defamatory videos from other religions seriously but not for Islam. That's wrong and that's where you are trying to play the 'victim card'.

OK...

[Crookbond]

Yes, because youtube only needs to follow its own laws as a private company. That 20% or 50% of the population protest something, should be immaterial to them. They are not owned by the entire earth's population, they are a private company Also imagine if they start removing videos based on protests. Whats going to stop Christians and hindus or Jews wanting to get videos removed too after this? Wouldnt youtube then have to listen to them and remove more videos. Then people from various countries will want vidoes removed. All videos parodying politicians. Videos making fun of french or Indians. Soon over half of youtube videos will have to be removed because someone somewhere will always find something offensive. So they have to stick to their guns. If it doesnt violate their own rules and policies dont remove anything. And the number of protestors should not matter And Asim's point also is, remove the vidoe as it will cause violence. Is this how a civilized world should work, where we cave in to threats of violence. Will the animals who killed the US ambassador take decisions in the world now or else they threaten violence? Soon they would want vidoes of women without burkhas removed from youtube or they will threaten violence. Caving in to terrorists like this is the last thing we should do

YouTube does have a hate/inflammatory speech category which also results in take down of videos and several videos are taken down. This is IFF YouTube considers it to be in one of it's own categories. Google Transparency Report will show you how governments want to take down videos which are critical of their functioning and YouTube denies such take downs. Even more amazing is that they challenge court orders as well. That's quite some guts for a private firm. This whole process of asking to take down a video is a double edged sword. Who decides what is right and wrong? Different people have different tolerance levels. Consider this, during IPL 2009 there was the Fake IPL Player blog which made fun of KKR. The KKR management tried to bring it down. On the other hand, there was a Fake Steve Jobs blog which Steve Jobs by his own admission at All Things D said "it was funny". So, are we now going to act across individual moods and perceptions of people? No way. My take on this is very simple - they do their job fine. There are freaking millions of videos on YouTube. If you don't like one, just watch the remaining 0.99 Million videos. Also, if one is a big believe in his faith he/she should understand that faith is tested not by forcing other people to believe in your religion but to make other people believe your religion DESPITE the "evils".

[Lurker]

Placard mother 'didn't know what behead meant'

I am at a loss to understand how can a true "believer" behave this way. If you believe in a theology by definition you would be extremely scared/passionate to bring any defamation against your religion. How can this protester lady, and I am sure there were others like him, come out swinging in the name of "defending their Prophet" and then within a matter of days make themselves look a complete retard? Some of these protesters come out simply because they allude this to their religious obligations to defend Prophet, and then make themselves and the Prophet a laughing stock. In a nutshell, the love for Aussie citizenship/visa won over their love of Islam. :whistle:

[akshayxyz]

Bro it is a phonecall or any method to contact from any law enforcement agency requesting them to remove any video' date=' thats not the part which matters, the point is They Do Remove, as you can see only in one month they removed 640 from UK and 300 from USA alone. You calling me one who playing victim cards :) case by case they might not but they they do remove on charges of defamation, here if a video is defaming one religion and billion+ people associated with that religion, wonder if I can be labeled as "playing" victim cards.[/quote'] Do you realize this - there are 1000s of religions around, what is acceptable to one(or more) may not be so to zero(or more). If we/govt/media start taking down every 'sensitive' media clip - you would be staring at blank screen, blank newspapers, listening to static noise on radio (that given if we technology had progressed that far). Why is that more often than not, a certain group is more intolerant, and violent than most others? If a piece of unfunny cartoon can agitate a certain god's followers, then its more of a case of weakness in their faith, than insult.

[coffee_rules]

Mentally Torture the Muslims, hurt their feelings, make fun of their belief and ideology, directly attack their religion and provoke them by all means, knowing very well what you are doing and what the purpose is and what the outcome may be(All on name of "freedom of expression") & when they try to respond Call them radical and fundamentalist :hatsoff:

DO you feel the same way when Mofo Hussain painted Hindu goddesses nude?

[Laaloo]

I am at a loss to understand how can a true "believer" behave this way. If you believe in a theology by definition you would be extremely scared/passionate to bring any defamation against your religion. How can this protester lady, and I am sure there were others like him, come out swinging in the name of "defending their Prophet" and then within a matter of days make themselves look a complete retard? Some of these protesters come out simply because they allude this to their religious obligations to defend Prophet, and then make themselves and the Prophet a laughing stock. In a nutshell, the love for Aussie citizenship/visa won over their love of Islam. :whistle:

Seriously most people join for the sake of joining. You saw that picture of a young kid holding those offensive signs? :facepalm: Most of them haven't probably even seen the video clip or whatever it was. If they had true conviction regarding their faith, then it shouldn't bother them. But then again, there is no god but allah :hatsoff:

[ganeshran]

DO you feel the same way when Mofo Hussain painted Hindu goddesses nude?

so Hussain is a mofo for painting the Hindu goddesses nude but the movie director is entitled to his freedom of expression?

[Clarke]

Lets not twist the definition of mental torture here, neighbor(s). People who believe in X theory may find theory Y mentally tortuous/blasphemous, doesn't mean it should be banned outright in public. You are free to do that in your nation though.