Old guy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 maybe ur not seeing the problem.. his bowling is mess without any plan he does not targets stumps or swings the ball seam is not coming out right...and now he even lost pace i only see him getting worse after every international game he plays..sorry but he is not learning naything ....guy cant even bowl yorker and u want him in odi team to bowl at death :cantstop: Link to comment
maniac Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 maybe ur not seeing the problem.. his bowling is mess without any plan he does not targets stumps or swings the ball seam is not coming out right...and now he even lost pace i only see him getting worse after every international game he plays..sorry but he is not learning naything ....guy cant even bowl yorker and u want him in odi team to bowl at death :cantstop: Wait are we still talking about ODI's ? and where did you get your points from? From what I can see he has been bowling decently since his return to the LOI side...I agree about pace though.If you go back and watch the T20 series and the ODI games,he was the most difficult seamer to get away in the more difficult phases of the game. Don't look at cricinfo scorecards...If there is a chopping block right now,Dinda is ahead of him who btw I still think is a work-in-progress for the LOI scheme of things.The last thing I want to see is an attack of Bhuvan,Shami and another rookie bowl in tandem. There are enough slots open before we can think of cutting Ishant Link to comment
Old guy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Wait are we still talking about ODI's ? and where did you get your points from? From what I can see he has been bowling decently since his return to the LOI side...I agree about pace though.If you go back and watch the T20 series and the ODI games,he was the most difficult seamer to get away in the more difficult phases of the game. Don't look at cricinfo scorecards...If there is a chopping block right now,Dinda is ahead of him who btw I still think is a work-in-progress for the LOI scheme of things.The last thing I want to see is an attack of Bhuvan,Shami and another rookie bowl in tandem. There are enough slots open before we can think of cutting Ishant why is attack full of rookies worse then..attack of ishant,dinda and a rookie ? just give one good reason and abt him performing well like i said before shami ahmed came in and bowled well 4 maidens enough said! Link to comment
maniac Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 why is attack full of rookies worse then..attack of ishant,dinda and a rookie ? just give one good reason and abt him performing well like i said before shami ahmed came in and bowled well 4 maidens enough said! Then Shami has earned his place above Dinda and not Ishant...If Ishant fails in the next few games which is likely or if Pathan is back...thendump him but right now he has done enough o be persisted with Link to comment
Old guy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Then Shami has earned his place above Dinda and not Ishant...If Ishant fails in the next few games which is likely or if Pathan is back...thendump him but right now he has done enough o be persisted with well is gonna lose more by playing these games.. this could have been his chance to go back and play first class cricket but now his problems arej ust increasing he has already lost pace after injury..thats the thign we can see but other then thatn othing has improved his seam still sucks his control still is same and i dont think even in odis he is gonna survive anyway i have to go but b ready to be dissapointed again:haha: Link to comment
India-KXIP fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Never knew Ishant has already played 47 tests! :omg: Nearing 50 and still has another decade in him. Did well in last test. He's not a rookie anymore, time to be more consistent. Link to comment
Lord Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Never knew Ishant has already played 47 tests! :omg: Nearing 50 and still has another decade in him. Did well in last test. He's not a rookie anymore, time to be more consistent. he is consistent:dontknow: consistently unlucky:cantstop: Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Played well in 2 odis in a row, top wicket taker in pak odi series. Then one bad game on a road. Are we not a bit to harsh? Link to comment
Lord Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Played well in 2 odis in a row, top wicket taker in pak odi series. Then one bad game on a road. Are we not a bit to harsh? doing well against Pakis on helpful tracks is nothing big. though I agree he needs to be given some time,but it is running out Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think he should be dropped. He is looking out of rhythm. he needs to sort his problems out in the nets, not in matches. He will have to do it before Australia series. If he bowls like that I would keep him out of that series too and give Shami or Pandey their chances. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I feel this guy needs to bowl little wider from the crease,with his action which is more of inswing if he goes little wider in crease he will not only make the batsmen play more but also has chance of getting them out caught behind even if his ball does not straighten that much. Link to comment
CG Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 I feel this guy needs to bowl little wider from the crease' date='with his action which is more of inswing if he goes little wider in crease he will not only make the batsmen play more but also has chance of getting them out caught behind even if his ball does not straighten that much.[/quote'] Thats a good suggestion,But then there will only be the angle.He is not getting natural inswing which was his strength till 2009.He has lost the natural swing Unless he gets it back he will find it hard.His mind is cluttered with various coaching advices earlier eric simmons wanted him to get his pace back and concentrate on back of length and utilize pace and bounce.Now he is trying to seam the ball and is holding it too back in his grip which is also reducing pace and not helping his natural swing and zip . Link to comment
saneindian Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Another flat track at Kochi tomorrow..Ishant needs to show massive improvement compared to the last game. If not then perhaps he will most likely lose his spot to Sreesanth for the last 2 ODIs when the team is picked. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thats a good suggestion' date='But then there will only be the angle.He is not getting natural inswing which was his strength till 2009.He has lost the natural swing Unless he gets it back he will find it hard.His mind is cluttered with various coaching advices earlier eric simmons wanted him to get his pace back and concentrate on back of length and utilize pace and bounce.Now he is trying to seam the ball and is holding it too back in his grip which is also reducing pace and not helping his natural swing and zip .[/quote'] Him not getting his natural inswing is the reason why I feel he needs to go wider especially in tests, now all he is doing in tests is bowl wide of crease and batsmen are content to leave the ball when they are new to crease.Then start hammering this guy once they get set. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Bowling poorly today. Just needs to bowl line and legth but bowling wides or long hops Dissapointing so far Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 As I had said he should be dropped for the last 2 matches and the next match from the eleven. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 He does not bowl with any real pace anynore. 80 to 82 mph. So not sure what point if his role is then, as does not get movement ot accuracy. If bowling 85 to 90 then can play a role. Speeds are down. Dissapointing. But options are poor. Dinda is rubbish and so is V Kumar. Sree is not odi bowler and not yet shown is back. Need aaron and yadav fit Link to comment
Old guy Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 dinda atleast has some clue at death bowling man we will be able to bowl out bhuvan and shami earlier ( i mean 7 -8 overs ) as they both are good with new ball..dinda can just bowl at end ishant is useless through out Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 If there is someone he could look upto it is Srinath. He was able to maintain great channel very early. Link to comment
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