Delhi Gangrape | Four accused sentenced to death

[Cevno]

Interview of the guy who was accompanying the girl. Heart Wrenching.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Police-to-register-case-against-Zee-News-for-airing-interview-of-Delhi-rape-victims-friend/articleshow/17892425.cms?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweets Delhi Police, just when we thought you could not stoop lower, you went ahead and did just that by filing an FIR against Zee News. Well done! Look how quickly they acted here trying to cover up their incompetence and asses. Just Wow!

[vvvslaxman]

Delhi is inundated with heartless thugs and stupids? In the 90s when i said was from chennai, so many guys asked me if i was "LITTE" (from LTTE) :facepalm: The behavior of cops is really deplorable. Complete revamp of Delhi (top to bottom) has to happen.

[vandokkum]

Sad situation, but this rape case seems to have gotten more attention than any others in recent memory. Unfortunately this kind of thing also occurs often in most of South Africa, rapists deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

[vvvslaxman]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Delhi-Police-the-worst-of-all-forces-Crime-data/Article1-892192.aspx this was published in july.. no surprise there.

[Lurker]

As Indians and as humans we will have to do more for people and not just for our bank balance and personal goals. My sincere hope is that I change first n do more to spread positives.

One good thing that I am hoping will come out of this incident is that most of us do some sort of introspection, and without anybody else pointing fingers we make changes. You mentioned US, here is another aspect that you may find it interesting. Recently (prior to Xmas) I was in Minneapolis, MN on a business trip. Freezing cold ass weather. Anyway I am talking to my local colleague from there and just wondering how he, and his family, manages in such a cold climate. He looks at me and goes Where else am I gonna go? This is my place, my town. And then he starts talking about all the big companies who have been opened in the region against the odds (Best Buy, Target etc). United States is a country built on immigration. Yes. But its citizens once they settled here have tried to make it a better place. They move around within the country but not so much outside. Hence there is definitely a bit more social consciousness than us. Hamare yehan to Dons bhi NRI hain :haha: I think you have raised a wonderful point here to say we all have gone collectively wrong and the change needs to start from us.

[suraj]

India- the shithole for women and the responses to these crimes- police, administration, society make us look worse Like Lurker said everyone is at fault

[Texy]

600 guitarists together play 'Imagine' by John Lennon in memory of the Delhi gang-rape victim in Darjeeling, West Bengal. Incredible gesture.

[vvvslaxman]

India- the shithole for women and the responses to these crimes- police, administration, society make us look worse Like Lurker said everyone is at fault

Not sure if entire India is like Delhi. If i am right UP has better crime control than Delhi. Not that UP is great. Tamilnadu police is generally very good and reputed. I have witnessed their police work. The way they plan to catch criminals off guard is really top class. Pretty darn good. Pune used to be a very good. I hear women feel unsafe nowadays. Hyderabad has marginally improved. Bangalore still issues are there. Mumbai police is also better. But Delhi seems to be the worst of the lot. Dumb, stupid, corrupt police. I know there are rural areas where dalits get raped. We should address them too. But as far as Delhi goes it has to be treated seperately. Society change, culture change.. all these talks from various quarters will take away the attention from total incompetence of Delhi police . Once the news get cold everything will get cold. So they have to identify why law and order is so poor in Delhi.

[someone]

I don't like how this issue has turned out to be a lesson to teach men some education. That's completely ridiculous. And then the best way to deal with these incidents is prevention. And it's has to work both sides. Punishments can only act as deterrence so it's important that common man still be smart and aware of any potential crimes in their local environment.

[vvvslaxman]

I don't like how this issue has turned out to be a lesson to teach men some education. That's completely ridiculous. And then the best way to deal with these incidents is prevention. And it's has to work both sides. Punishments can only act as deterrence so it's important that common man still be smart and aware of any potential crimes in their local environment.

When i first went to LA first thing i was warned of was which areas i should not be at during night hours. typically downtown area and few streets in hollywood boulevard.

[jairamesh]

Rape protests spread beyond India http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/04/rape-protests-spread-beyond-india

Demonstrators in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh join protest movement against sexual violence

Inspired by the rallies and marches staged across India for nearly three weeks, demonstrations have also been held in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh – all countries where activists say women suffer high levels of sexual and domestic violence. In Nepal, the case of a 21-year-old woman who says she was raped and threatened with death by a police officer and robbed by immigration officials, prompted hundreds of demonstrators to converge on the prime minister's residence in Kathmandu. They called for legal reforms and an overhaul of attitudes to women. "We had seen the power of the mass campaign in Delhi's rape case. It is a pure people's movement," said Anita Thapa, one of the demonstrators.

Activists in Dhaka, Bangladesh protest against rape. Photograph: Rehman Asad/ Rehman Asad/Demotix/Corbis

[ravishingravi]

I put it all down to law and order. For instance, why are there so many filthy comments on youtube and not here or any other well moderated forum?Does that mean that everybody on those forums is all roses and does not cuss or harbor bad thoughts? Have a strong Law & Order system and all these problems will be minimized.

110%. It is a law & order problem. Unfortunately in all this outrage people are losing sight of that fact. Now the question is who will ensure law & order and what is the credibility of those people and what can we do about it. Now, it is pretty clear for me that law & order first needs to be restored to ensure free society. You cannot be Somalia and talk about freedom of expression. I, for one, am not very hopeful of law & order in my city of mumbai which is considered to be safest. Just talking to the women I know, they are more scared of approaching the police. What is even more rather scary perhaps is the face that ( as per CNN IBN ), one rape happens every 6 hours in some part of this country. Lot of it does not get reported. Majority perhaps takes place in rural areas. Perhaps, if this incident had happened there, it would have been a footnote in daily news, at the most, day of outrage. Now that it has happened in the heart f the city in public vehicle, suddenly the horror of the incident is at our doorsteps. Tells you nature of society and how insulated we are as a nation.

[EnterTheVoid]

Agree Ravi.

[surajmal]

I see what you are saying but somehow I believe that we people who've taken pride in India and Culture of India but if helping other is not part of that then we've failed and has no right to brag about India. The USA, as a country, is modern and damn we laugh at their culture and what not.. but I tip my hate to these folks and I give you two instances. My mom was driving to work few years back.. and it was rainy/slippery day. She somehow lost control of her car and flipped the car upside down in a ditch.. Her car was upside down and she had her belt on so she was hanging literally upside down. Door wasnt opening. Passer by came to her rescue within two minutes and broke the window of glass and helped her out of the car. They gave her cell phone to call us and we rushed back. As I was listening to this guy's interview I remember this situation. Another instance over the weekend.. I was on highway driving at 70 mph and all of a sudden traffic was slowing and in that traffic one car stopped from 70-75 mph speed.. i was like what the hell he is doing.. found out that the guy was stopping to rescue people from car that just flippped secs earlier and its literally in vertical position (like this 'cII' if you can imagine). Then there were two other cars stopped and guys rushed to check if things are ok. I mean hats off to them for doing that. As Indians and as humans we will have to do more for people and not just for our bank balance and personal goals. My sincere hope is that I change first n do more to spread positives.

I agree Americans are infinitely more "citizen" like in their conduct than Indians but that doesn't negate my point. America is still like a newly opened gift in the context of history of civilizations. They haven't suffered the ups and downs of a small yet still ancient country like Italy let alone a giant country like India that has been a doormat for centuries. Prior to the Civil War, they had the need to show up those "uppity" elite classes of Europe whose exploitation they escaped in their attempt to build that "city on a hill". And then after the two WWs, they found another reason to strive for betterment of their nation in the Capitalism vs Socialism/Communism fight. But throughout this upward climb they were fairly insulated from the troubles of rest of the world. Prior to 9/11, Pearl Harbour was their only major moment of crisis (I don't consider Cuban missile crisis anything more than dick measuring contest - **** was artificially created to fill the coffers of defense contractors) without which Americans may not have even entertained the idea of entering the offensive against the Axis. Their only significant internal strife was the Civil War. And the reason for which it was fought took another 100 years to solve. I suggest you read Port Huron Statement (maybe you already have), written in 1962 by bunch of wide eyed closet commies but still gives an insight into the social situation at the time. There was a reason for Civil Rights Movement and its not because Americans like to give each other a helping hand. Demographics of US are really going to change over the next couple of decades. All the magnanimity will be on full display then. Just watch. And don't think I'm trying make a case against Capitalism. I'm a full supporter of it. But as a society going forward, India and Indians are going to have to make an attempt to separate the economy from the social life. Which is an uphill battle already when even the "educated" ones consider it folly to put the well being of the nation above one's own (there are few of those surfing this MB). z7V0w9u1CsI Dwivedi puts it better than I ever could. Chanakya (Dwivedi) is a teacher and trying to lay out the responsibilities of a teacher but the basic point applies to all citizens.

[surajmal]

Why isnt there so much apathy, corruption etc etc in the western society? surely they are more capitalist, greedy and by extension self centered. # Do you think Ram Singh and his cronies had no spiritulality? Did that stop them from doing this. This applies to everyone from the politicians to the cops on the road, we are as spiritual as a nation as it can get. UK and even the USA have a huge number of atheists, do you think those countries have all gone to dogs? There is no point harping about spirituality and tradition/culture. What use reminiscing about our glory days of Indian civilization and also our spiritual richness when we cant keep our streets clean never mind helping a rape victim. All this is just a feel good thing that most people want to peddle so that we as a country dont move our lazy asses to get things done. Time has come to look inward. There is fundamentally something wrong when we and our society cannot evolve to changing times.

- Come to me when **** hits the fan. - You think Atheism is a western concoction? Disbelief in God is as old as belief in it. Prior Islam you would have found several different kinds of atheistic schools in Bharat. So their is no correlation that Atheism leads to an upward trajectory. - And you are confusing the "spirituality" that I indicated with religiosity. Probably only the Buddhists are actively trying to understand their place in the world - "looking inward" as you put it. Rest are a bunch of cultists who are looking for "upayas" from their pandit or astrologer to land that new job or admission to college or visa to foreign land.

[someone]

When i first went to LA first thing i was warned of was which areas i should not be at during night hours. typically downtown area and few streets in hollywood boulevard.

Exactly. People need to more aware and self-knowledgeable about crimes. Saying things like woman can go anywhere anytime is unnecessary There is little difference between stupidity and braveness. Every person needs to be aware and work on preventing crimes themselves. In today's environment, many are simply opportunist and would take their chances whenever the probability of success is high. Thus, it's really up to the individual themselves to prevent (potential) crimes. Rather, now now many have simply started giving men some education. Even the harsher punishments does not make a lot of sense. Punishments work primary as deterrent. But given the poor conviction rates + poor implementation + weak law & order, new policies are/will ineffective.

[vayuu1]

Sala aaj subah subah sheesho(10%kale) ke chakkar mein chalan ho gya:mad:

[veer]

If Law n order were the only problem then tell me who makes law n order corrupt? It's you n me who doesn't want to pay fines when a cop catches u.. That bus driver was driving without permit. I bet he must have paid some traffic police when he got caught just like thousands of other citizens. The whole system, that we r part of, is to blame n not just one institute..

[Raghav_12]

All those,writing well articulated pieces on how US sets example in terms of behavior of society, would be better served if they follow this Ohio gang-rape case. No doubt, Indian response to this tragedy has been much better than what Americans are doing. But that doesn't stop America from offering help to India on how to deal with such cases. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/rape_charges_divide_football_t.html Article is very long contains lot of details. Summary of this is:

The coverage of Damini's death strikes a particularly ironic note following recent media controversy over a rape, in Steubenville, Ohio, of a 16-year-old girl allegedly by members of the high-school football team. The case is that the young woman was dragged, drunk and unresponsive, from party to party, where she was sexually abused. What happened in the US? In Steubenville, football-crazy townsfolk blamed the victim and it took a blogger Alexandria Goddard, who is now being sued and a follow-up article from the New York Times four months after the incident to get nationwide attention for the story.

Don't let world demonize Indian men (including Haryanvis, Punjabis, UP bhaiyas, Biharis) for a crime of 6, as this article urges. The Delhi rape is being used to demonise Indian men http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100196384/the-delhi-rape-is-being-used-to-demonise-indian-men/

Why is the secretary general of the United Nations making solemn statements about the dreadful rape and murder of a woman in Delhi? Since when was it the job of the UN to comment on horrific crimes that are executed, not by states or armies or guerrillas, but by a handful of depraved men? I don't remember the UN aiming stern warnings at the United Kingdom when, in 2006, the Ipswich serial killer murdered five prostitutes, or at Belgium in the late 1990s when a warped man raped and murdered five girls. Yet now, following the death of the physiotherapy intern who was gang-raped on a bus in Delhi on 13 December, the UN is telling India to get its act together and protect its women. The reason for this double standard seems pretty clear. The Ipswich killings were not seen as being indicative of British culture in general, as a sign that British society and all those who inhabit it are rapacious and repulsive, but the Delhi gang rape is being treated as the logical end result of the allegedly depraved culture and attitudes of India and its "hyena-like" populace (as one Times writer refers to Indian men). The Delhi rape/murder is being held up, not simply as evidence that the men who carried it out are craven individuals who deserve the severest punishment, but as evidence that India itself is craven, that its hundreds of millions of men have been so warped by "macho culture" that they are one Bollywood film screening away from becoming rapists. That is why the UN is getting involved: the Delhi rape is being used to induce collective guilt in India, over everything from its morals to its mad males to its economic growth. Almost as soon as it was announced that the still unnamed rape victim had died, Western observers rushed to condemn all of India. In The Times, Libby Purves skated on very thin ice when she decreed that "murderous, hyena-like male contempt is a norm [in India]". Echoing those Victorian ladies who visited faraway continents and were shocked by the sexual depravity of foreign menfolk, Purves claimed that in the subcontinent "sexual harassment and assault" are looked upon as a "male birthright", especially in Delhi, where there are "tens of thousands of newly urbanised [men], from villages still almost medieval". Other female columnists have used the Delhi rape case to riff about the time they were propositioned or felt up by men in India, as if unwanted sexual attention and the most horrific gang rape you could imagine are just different sides of the same coin of "macho culture"; as if there is not a profound difference between experiencing a come-on from an over-eager Indian male and suffering an extreme violent assault on a bus. Every aspect of modern Indian culture and life has been examined in the wake of the Delhi rape, and found wanting. Gang rape is what happens in a society that is "totally patriarchal" and dominated by "macho culture", newspapers tell us. Indian men simply don't know how to behave, apparently, especially the poor, medieval ones. The Indian film industry, Bollywood, has had blame heaped on it, too, with commentators telling us that rape isn't surprising in a country where films feature "few strong women leads and an overbearingly dominant male lead". Apparently this communicates to the "gullible viewer" (that is, your average dumb Indian) that the "role of woman [is to be] a sidekick to male supremacy". Even India's economic growth has been held partly responsible for the actions of the men on that bus. Apparently, rapid economic growth, by changing social roles, has made men more isolated and bitter and susceptible to becoming rapists. India must now "sacrifice growth for justice", says one Indian commentator, echoing widespread Western discomfort with the economic upheaval in India in recent years. What is happening here is that guilt for one unspeakably awful crime is being shifted on to an entire nation, on to all Indian men, on to the temerity of India to grow and expand and change. The rapists are seen, not as wicked individuals who must be punished, but as the products of a strange and perverted foreign culture which, for all its modernist pretensions, still falls far short of our Western standards of behaviour and linguistic interaction. Observers offer PC-sounding solidarity to beleaguered Indian women, yet simulataneously express a pretty foul contempt for India herself, and for her half-a-billion men in particular. A handful of observers have challenged the sweeping demonisation of India and its people in the wake of the Delhi rape but strikingly they have done so on the basis that we in the West are just as rapacious as the "hyena-like" men of the subcontinent. In the past, progressives would have critiqued the heaping of collective guilt on to foreign nations on the basis that it was inhumane and inaccurate; now they critique it on the basis that rape is not just "a cultural phenomenon in India", but is "endemic everywhere", with verbal or violent misogyny "happening all around us", including in civilised countries like Britain. In other words, it isn't just Indian men who are hyenas all men are. This is one of the most shocking things about the Delhi rape case the fact that so many observers aren't especially shocked by it, either because they expect animalistic Indian men to behave like this, or because they view all men, if not all of humanity itself, as capable of such despicable evil

[Prakat]

About the Ohio gang rape. The high testosterone and macho culture where women are objectified and literally at the sidelines of high school football closely resembles what passes for being a man in rural India. She wasn't attacked by the debate society or the school band.