yoda Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 Being calm and cool only takes you so far, apparently. You need a bit more than that to lead a successful team.
saket123 Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 I still say Dhoni is the best captain India has had after Azharuddin
Clarke Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 Lets make Kohli the kaptaann and we can be on our merry way to winning every game? Am I right? At the very least, lets not repeat the same bloody mistakes that have brought us to the worst results in decades. If you're not changing after 8-0 abroad and 2-1 at home, I'm not sure when you intend to do so. You can make the same excuse if we had lost 4-0 at home about Kohli, the point is we have to try something else and see if it helps.
maniac Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 I still say Dhoni is the best captain India has had after Azharuddin Do you mean to say since Azharuddin bcoz Dhoni is better than Ganguly,RD,Kumble etc or do you mean Azhar was the best capt for India followed by Dhoni? Bcoz Azhar was a very ***py captain
saket123 Posted December 18, 2012 Posted December 18, 2012 Do you mean to say since Azharuddin bcoz Dhoni is better than Ganguly,RD,Kumble etc or do you mean Azhar was the best capt for India followed by Dhoni? Bcoz Azhar was a very ***py captain Azharuddin is actually one of India's most successful captains. He won 103 ODI matches as the captain of the Indian team, which was an Indian record. His 14 Test Match wins as captain, was a record until it was bettered by Ganguly with 21 test match . I think Dhoni is slightly better in number of wins, but then we are playing a lot more cricket these days. But even disregarding his wins.. it was under Azhar's captaincy that India became a formidable team.
mastana Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 Anhoni ko honi kar de honi ko anhoni ek jagah jab jama ho teeno, viru gauti aur dhoniii :wall:
rkt.india Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 In terms of a relative decline in both cases' date=' yes. In absolute terms, Ganguly's team fought against the best and almost levelled it against an ATG team in 2004. This crybaby gets the turning wickets, loses fair & square and then makes excuses every freakin time, goes as far back as 2007 WC :wall:[/quote'] In 2004, most players were at their peak and still lost. now Some retired, some declining, rookies. Ganguly didnt even play and drop himself seeing a green pitch in Nagpur.
CG Posted December 19, 2012 Author Posted December 19, 2012 In 2004' date=' most players were at their peak and still lost. now Some retired, some declining, rookies. Ganguly didnt even play and drop himself seeing a green pitch in Nagpur.[/quote'] Peak? We did not have a opener,Tendulkar was struggling with tennis elbow and playing defensive,Ganguly was not able to score a run,We had agarkar as a seamer in test Against Australia who had the best team of the era.
The Outsider Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 In 2004' date=' most players were at their peak and still lost. now Some retired, some declining, rookies. Ganguly didnt even play and drop himself seeing a green pitch in Nagpur.[/quote'] The Indian team in 2004 when Australia toured had many problems - new opener, Tendulkar out for 2 tests and playing with injury in the other 2, Harbhajan missing a test, Ganguly's drama, the Nagpur pitch made to order for Australia. On the other hand, Australia lucked out with the injury to walking wicket Ponting and his replacement, Clarke, scoring a century on debut. The umpiring at Bangalore also went hugely against India.
Number Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 The Indian team in 2004 when Australia toured had many problems - new opener, Tendulkar out for 2 tests and playing with injury in the other 2, Harbhajan missing a test, Ganguly's drama, the Nagpur pitch made to order for Australia. On the other hand, Australia lucked out with the injury to walking wicket Ponting and his replacement, Clarke, scoring a century on debut. The umpiring at Bangalore also went hugely against India. And in Chennai, last day we needed 160 runs with all 10 wickets in hand and it was a full day washed out. Very unlucky. Here we have been whipped by England.
Zero_Unit Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 This is the way i see why DHONI lost control over the team's NUMERO UNO position. When WC 2011 was there, almost all our players where in form which was a very huge advantage for us. Look at those same players now, scoring below 10 in almost all the matches ... it's not always fair to blame a captain, gotta look at the team in general (and let's not forget his constant love for MR. JADU - WTF RIGHT?)
CG Posted December 19, 2012 Author Posted December 19, 2012 And in Chennai, last day we needed 160 runs with all 10 wickets in hand and it was a full day washed out. Very unlucky. Here we have been whipped by England. We needed around 200 runs.But shewag was in good form after a hundred in first innings which was one of his best against attack of gillespie,warne,mcgrath ,He single handedly kept us in the match.
diga Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 We needed around 200 runs.But shewag was in good form after a hundred in first innings which was one of his best against attack of gillespie' date='warne,mcgrath ,He single handedly kept us in the match.[/quote'] Kumble too got a 7-fer if I remember & a 6-fer in 2nd innings
Crookbond Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 We needed around 200 runs.But shewag was in good form after a hundred in first innings which was one of his best against attack of gillespie' date='warne,mcgrath ,He single handedly kept us in the match.[/quote'] Yup - thanks to Kumble Australia lost last 7 wickets or so for not many runs. I will also remember the match for different tactics by Ganguly - the now (in)famous in-out fields set.
Sachin=GOD Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 He never was a leader and was only an above average Captain so this was inevitable.
maniac Posted December 19, 2012 Posted December 19, 2012 A middleclass guy from a small town makes it big through his hardwork and talent,overtakes his a lot of his peers.Now he has power that he never expected...Knows it might not last long,runs a few favors for his friends,tries to make as much money as possible. This is not just Dhoni'story,but you might find thousands of examples like this in every sector in India....There is hardly a concept of self-less service or professionalism.This unfortunately is just a grass-root problem
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