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What on earth makes you think these steps would work ? Why would their establishment give a damn about Indian trade and visas ? They will simply increase the rhetoric on the streets of Lahore & Islamabad claiming the baniyas have once again shown their hostile intentions.
International and diplomatic pressure does work on many occasions. Am I sure it will work? No. But right now we are in no position to even ask other countries for some sort of sanctions when we are happily engaging in trade and all kinds of diplomatic relationship with them.
We would if we could, at least from what I know our covert warfare capabilities are very limited while our conventional forces although requiring newer hardware possess the means to deliver a message. I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
I don't know much about our covert warfare abilities, but if they are weak then they should be strengthened. Conventional warfare is too risky and costly in terms of human lives.
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International and diplomatic pressure does work on many occasions. Am I sure it will work? No. But right now we are in no position to even ask other countries for some sort of sanctions when we are happily engaging in trade and all kinds of diplomatic relationship with them. I don't know much about our covert warfare abilities, but if they are weak then they should be strengthened. Conventional warfare is too risky and costly in terms of human lives.
1. Stopping trade will have zero impact because trade is not much anyways and whatever there is, it is in India's favor. India stands to lose more from stopping trade. 2. Keep the talks going (Maybe not at PM level but I dont know about this). Do not stop the communication channels due to such attacks. 3. For our public's and army's sentiment, Give orders to army to act in a tit-for-tat manner in any such attack. 4. We can't say definitively abt capabilities of RAW. A plausible possibility is also that it could easily take out Hafiz Saeed or Dawood but GoI is against this.
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Do not touch pak at this time.. pak is breaking from inside.. let her crumble on her own. One incident with India can unite them so defend our borders but dont go all aggressive on them...

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Capture Kabul, cripple Kashmir: Pakistan’s new two-faced war ON A WARFRONT The recent bombing of an Indian consulate in Jalalabad and the killing of jawans on the LoC are all part of Pakistan military’s attempts to exploit the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and undo its strategic reverses of past two decades

NEW DELHI: It was around 4.30 am on July 1 when a Pakistani suicide bomber crossed the Line of Control and blew himself up about 25 meters from an Indian Army picket at Saujiyan in the Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir. Other than the bomber, there were no casualties. A week later, in the same area, a Pakistani improvised explosive device – a roadside bomb – proved more lethal and killed an Indian Army porter. India believes these attacks, and other such activity along the de facto border and inside Jammu and Kashmir, are part of a deliberate Pakistani game plan to push in as many militants as possible across the LoC. The goal of all this: escalate violence in the run-up to and possibly disrupt the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly elections next year. On the other side of Pakistan, though this may not seem obvious to people in India, is a related attempt by Rawalpindi to use the same terrorists to drive India out of Afghanistan. US intelligence had confirmed to India that Lashkar e Taiba cadre were being moved into the provinces of Kunar and Nuristan in expectation of the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan next year. The recent suicide bomb attack on the Indian consulate in Jalalabad which killed a dozen people was part and parcel of this larger strategy. “Pakistan is using Lashkar to target Indian interests in Kabul,†said a senior Indian official. “The Jalalabad attack was orchestrated by Lashkar.†Pakistan is similarly transferring militant cadre recruited from its Khyber Paktunkhwa province to boost militant ranks in the Kashmir Valley. The broad Indian assessment is that the LoC and Kashmir in general have seen relatively low levels of Pakistani action because Rawalpindi was forced to divert as many as 150,000 troops to the Pakistan-Afghan border. With the US troop withdrawal approaching and Pakistan sensing that it may soon have a friendly regime ensconced in Kabul, the Pakistani army and Lashkar are once more concentrating on destabilizing Kashmir. Lashkar chief Hafiz Sayeed declared this in a recent India Today interview saying, “Full-scale armed jihad will begin soon in Kashmir after American forces withdraw from Afghanistan.†Kashmir is starting to simmer again. Attempts by Lashkar’s border action teams, groups that are backed by the Pakistani Army, to ambush Indian Army patrols have gone up this year. The decapitation of two soldiers in Krishnaghati area of Poonch sector on January 8, 2013, and the recent killing of five Indian soldiers in the same sector on Tuesday morning are just two of the more bloody examples. “The escalation is evident from the fact that till July 2012 only 13 infiltrators had been killed but during the same period this year more than 23 infiltrators have been killed on the LoC,†said a source. “There have been no less than 10 border actions undertaken by Pakistan Army backed terrorists on the Jammu LoC ,†said a senior official. He warned that the infiltration figures are expected to rise this month. That is along the border. The situation inside the Valley has become equally violent. There have been two definitive suicide attacks by Lashkar cadres this year inside Jammu and Kashmir – the first in three years. A fidayeen attack on Central Reserve Police Force camp at Bemina in Srinagar on March 14 and an attack on Indian Army jawans at Hyderpora bypass a day before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s June 25 visit to Kashmir. Indian intelligence conducted a security review in Kabul days before the Jalalabad attack. The then Home Secretary R K Singh flew down to Srinagar on June 20 to brief army and police about a threat against a police station on the eve of Singh’s June 25 visit. “The Poonch action shows that Pakistan Army is opposed to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif normalizing ties with India and is also connected to the appointment of General Parvez Kiyani’s successor in November,†said a senior official. The Pakistani game plan is quite clear: infiltrate militants eastward and westward, across the Durand and Radcliffe lines. Rawalpindi’s men in khaki want to turn the clock back to the 1980s when Afghanistan was a Pakistani colony and Kashmir was in flames.
Hindustan Times Unless the Indian Govt. takes some action very soon, I see the last line becoming true in the months ahead.
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MangalSenacha Mangal Senacha सुप्रसिद्ध व्यंग्य चित्रकार श्री सुरेन्द्र ( THE HINDU ) के इस कार्टून के बाद लिखने के लिए कोई शब्द नहीं हैं। pic.twitter.com/pYpAkw5Y6w wtYQjyZ.jpg

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Kumar Sidhartha ‏@mesidhartha क्या इत्तफाक है कि उस पार 'शरीफ़' होकर भी कोई शराफत नहीं और इस पार 'सिंह' होकर भी दहाड़ तक नहीं ?

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1. Stopping trade will have zero impact because trade is not much anyways and whatever there is, it is in India's favor. India stands to lose more from stopping trade.
I am aware of the total monetary values, but stopping trade sends out a big diplomatic signal on the basis of which one can hope to achieve multi-national embargoes.
3. For our public's and army's sentiment, Give orders to army to act in a tit-for-tat manner in any such attack.
That's not possible due to the nuclear angle.
4. We can't say definitively abt capabilities of RAW. A plausible possibility is also that it could easily take out Hafiz Saeed or Dawood but GoI is against this.
I was basing my argument partly on results - Sayeed should be one of the easiest high profile targets to take down, given his freedom in Pakistan.
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I am aware of the total monetary values, but stopping trade sends out a big diplomatic signal on the basis of which one can hope to achieve multi-national embargoes.
It will have zero or near zero impact imho.
That's not possible due to the nuclear angle.
no risk of nuclear thing in case of a small scale tit-for-tat response.
I was basing my argument partly on results - Sayeed should be one of the easiest high profile targets to take down, given his freedom in Pakistan.
yes, but RAW cant be definitively blamed. Most probably the GoI is hesitant, I dont think its difficult for RAW to take him out.
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It will have zero or near zero impact imho.
It's your opinion, not backed up by any facts.
no risk of nuclear thing in case of a small scale tit-for-tat response.
As I wrote above you don't go around kicking rabid dogs because you have an inoculation for rabies.
yes, but RAW cant be definitively blamed. Most probably the GoI is hesitant, I dont think its difficult for RAW to take him out.
Multiple sources have indicated at the dilution of RAW after 1971.
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