Gollum Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 What do fellow ICFers have to say about Sadagoppan Ramesh? In his short career he looked quite good, including an outstanding series against a great Paki attack in 99 home series. I remember him playing Akram,Saqlain even better than Sachin,Dravid,Ganguly. He looked good in the 99 World Cup also but was left out for no reason after that. Even in the 2003-4 series in Australia I think he top scored in both matches with 80s whereas Aakash Chopra failed, yet Chopra played in the whole series. Do you guys feel Ganguly had issues with Ramesh or was he simply not good enough? Could he have been a long term solution to our opening woes had he been given an extended run in the team?
jf1gp_1 Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 He wasn't good enough, what stats don't tell is percentage of runs off edges. Bhuvan would have made him dance.
skindia Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 even gagan khoda was underutilized.....played 2 matches....career avg 57 in odi
skindia Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Ramesh was Decent although no technique...but runs matters not technique..
NareshK Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 He had pathetic technique with non existent footwork. His feet were stuck to the crease like they were cemented and used to throw the bat away from the body. He had no chance of doing well overseas.
vvvslaxman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Beautiful timer of the ball. Best player in his debut series against Akram, Akhtar, Saqlain. In AU stralia made an 87 not out in tour game. But instead of him, Chopra was picked. He never had a chance to play again.
gakgupta Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 He had pathetic technique with non existent footwork. His feet were stuck to the crease like they were cemented and used to throw the bat away from the body. He had no chance of doing well overseas. May be u have not seen him play against 99 pak series. He was just fabulous against them....he didn't had footwork and blah blah.....but he was getting runs consistently in his short career...... I could still remember a game in which shoib akhtar took tendulkar's and dravid's wickets on successive deliveries and he was -playing him with all the ease in the world Also india never had good openers....So he could have easily played for a while.......He was the only batsmen who got some runs in the warm-up matches in 2003 aussie tour..... In short.....one guy who lost out because of captain politics....Not a great lose for a country but on the personal front he did everything what is required to stay in the team except that he got ganguly run-out in the ODI's couple of times....
kaptaan Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 average test player...worst when it comes to ODIs
putrevus Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Chopra was picked over him in 2003-04 down under series, he played in 1999 both in forst two test and was dropped in third test as he was awful. He was lucky in a sense he played most matches in either India or SL other wise this buffoon would have averaged even less. For a guy like him 19 tests are more than enough.
NareshK Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 May be u have not seen him play against 99 pak series. He was just fabulous against them....he didn't had footwork and blah blah.....but he was getting runs consistently in his short career...... I could still remember a game in which shoib akhtar took tendulkar's and dravid's wickets on successive deliveries and he was -playing him with all the ease in the world Also india never had good openers....So he could have easily played for a while.......He was the only batsmen who got some runs in the warm-up matches in 2003 aussie tour..... In short.....one guy who lost out because of captain politics....Not a great lose for a country but on the personal front he did everything what is required to stay in the team except that he got ganguly run-out in the ODI's couple of times.... 99 series was in India which is a graveyard for fast bowlers. In conditions which assisted bounce, swing and seam movement, he was poor and had no chance of doing well.
vvvslaxman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Chopra was picked over him in 2003-04 down under series, he played in 1999 both in forst two test and was dropped in third test as he was awful. He was lucky in a sense he played most matches in either India or SL other wise this buffoon would have averaged even less. For a guy like him 19 tests are more than enough. Actually in 1999 series he was okay for his 26. He wasn't that bad for his first series. Dravid looked the worst in that series. INfact barring Tendulkar and Laxman in the last nobody looked good. When you compare hack like Rohit sharma he was much better.
BeautifulGame Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Chopra was picked over him in 2003-04 down under series, he played in 1999 both in forst two test and was dropped in third test as he was awful. He was lucky in a sense he played most matches in either India or SL other wise this buffoon would have averaged even less. For a guy like him 19 tests are more than enough. He didnt play the 3rd test because he was injured. Had decent starts twice in the 4 innings he played unfortunately got run out & had to retire hurt as well.
vvvslaxman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 He didnt play the 3rd test because he was injured. Had decent starts twice in the 4 innings he played unfortunately got run out & had to retire hurt as well. Yup he did play Mcgrath well. In that series all 3 tests had a bit of green tinge. Only thing he lacked was drive to come back into the side much like most of the TN players we have seen over the years.
putrevus Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Actually in 1999 series he was okay for his 26. He wasn't that bad for his first series. Dravid looked the worst in that series. INfact barring Tendulkar and Laxman in the last nobody looked good. When you compare hack like Rohit sharma he was much better. Rohit Sharma may be a hack but he will average & score more runs on pitches which Ramesh played with ease. Nohit gets abuse rightly so but he is far better already than ramesh ever was in his career. Thats why I dont rate Dravid high as batsman as other greats, he was below average against good bowling attacks in spite of all his stats except for 2003-04.
Ram Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 If you look at in isolation, Ramesh is an average test opener. However, if you look at it from the context of the time when he played for India and the quality of openers we were producing then (SS Das, Vikram Rathore, MSK Prasad etc), he was actually pretty good. I remember the 99 chennai test against Pakistan like it was yesterday.Ramesh (being the local boy) played some fearless on drives against Akram.
vvvslaxman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Rohit Sharma may be a hack but he will average & score more runs on pitches which Ramesh played with ease. Nohit gets abuse rightly so but he is far better already than ramesh ever was in his career. Thats why I dont rate Dravid high as batsman as other greats, he was below average against good bowling attacks in spite of all his stats except for 2003-04. Seriuosly? Rohit up against Akram, Akhtar, Saqlain, Mustaq ahmed he would have been a sitting duck on any place on the earth. Even Tendulkar, Draivd did not find it going easy.
vvvslaxman Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 If you look at in isolation, Ramesh is an average test opener. However, if you look at it from the context of the time when he played for India and the quality of openers we were producing then (SS Das, Vikram Rathore, MSK Prasad etc), he was actually pretty good. I remember the 99 chennai test against Pakistan like it was yesterday.Ramesh (being the local boy) played some fearless on drives against Akram. True.. He did more than a decent job consiering the array of hacks as openers we had at that time.
thongale Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Only remember him getting a left hander's version of a Gatting ball from Murali.
skindia Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Ramesh was one of my favorite batsmen to watch. His first test innings was a pleasing cameo. But his most impressive innings was the 95 or 96 he got against Pakistan in that same series. That innings helped India to win the match and is more valuable than any 100 or 200 scored by other batsmen in easy situations. One of the factors that contributed to selectors developing negative opinion about Ramesh is the non stop comments made by cricket commentators about his lack of footwork. They just couldn't digest the fact that someone could be so unconventional and still be successful. They said the same about Sehwag but he proved them wrong in a most resounding fashion. I wish they had chosen Ramesh as Sehwag's opening partner in that 2003 series against Australia. What a great pair they would have been! Ramesh's career may have ended abruptly but in his career he has played innings he can be proud of.Fans will never forget his artistry and his bravery standing up to the fiercest opposition
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