Mitchell Johnson vs. Dale Steyn

[rkt.india]

This same criteria then must be applied to every tall fast bowler then. The likes of Harmison who is 6'6 and Finn at 6'7 both clocked 150k time to time then they must be bowling quicker than that. Boyd Rankin at 6'8 was clocking 140-142, he must be 145plus then.

[rkt.india]

TBH, it is not the pace which troubled batsmen against Ambrose and Walsh but extra bounce from good length like Morkel but at a better accuracy.

[vvvslaxman]

TBH' date=' it is not the pace which troubled batsmen against Ambrose and Walsh but extra bounce from good length like Morkel but at a better accuracy.[/quote'] They had slightly faster pitches to help. Nowadays all West INdian pitches are spinner friendly.

[Muloghonto]

TBH' date=' it is not the pace which troubled batsmen against Ambrose and Walsh but extra bounce from good length like Morkel but at a better accuracy.[/quote'] Morkel, like Ambrose and Walsh consistently bowls 90mph. Ambrose was a 90mph bowler with morkel's bounce and mcgrath like accuracy. His easy Action meant he could bowl at that speed all day long. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2

[rkt.india]

Morkel, like Ambrose and Walsh consistently bowls 90mph. Ambrose was a 90mph bowler with morkel's bounce and mcgrath like accuracy. His easy Action meant he could bowl at that speed all day long. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2

Morkel has an easy action too and he bowls 90 mph all day long, but TBH, Ambrose never looked as quick as Morkel.

[rkt.india]

They had slightly faster pitches to help. Nowadays all West INdian pitches are spinner friendly.

No, that is not the case that is just a myth. The pitches which were spin friendly are still spin friendly like Guyana and pacy pitches are still help pacers like Barbados, Jamaica. Remember Australia pacers doomed us with pace at Barbados in T20 WC and Ishant doomed WI batsmen in 2011 picking 10-fer.

[Muloghonto]

Morkel has an easy action too and he bowls 90 mph all day long' date=' but TBH, Ambrose never looked as quick as Morkel.[/quote'] Err, Ambrose in his late 20s/early 30s was as quick as Morkel, if not quicker. He had a very easy action, easier than any I've ever seen, which is why he looks slower than he was because he never seemed to be putting much effort into it. And he looked just as fast as Morkel, if not faster, in person.

[rkt.india]

Err, Ambrose in his late 20s/early 30s was as quick as Morkel, if not quicker. He had a very easy action, easier than any I've ever seen, which is why he looks slower than he was because he never seemed to be putting much effort into it. And he looked just as fast as Morkel, if not faster, in person.

Even Morkel does not look like putting any effort and he bowled fastest at 153Kph in last test. It is not like I have not seen Ambrose. In 1996 WC against India, everyone was finding it difficult to face him except SRT and then I believe he might be in low 140s. The kind of action he had, it was pretty difficult to generate high pace with that. Same for Walsh. Holding, Patterson, and Bishop had real good actions to bowl quick.

[Muloghonto]

Even Morkel does not look like putting any effort and he bowled fastest at 153Kph in last test. It is not like I have not seen Ambrose. In 1996 WC against India' date=' everyone was finding it difficult to face him except SRT and then I believe he might be in low 140s. The kind of action he had, it was pretty difficult to generate high pace with that. Same for Walsh. Holding, Patterson, and Bishop had real good actions to bowl quick.[/quote'] You simply fail to recognize the fact that you have seen Ambrose after 1994, when he suffered a shoulder injury, after which he lost a bit of pace. In your own words, you've seen Ambrose since 94, meaning you never saw Ambrose at his fastest. The kind of action he had, it has nothing to do with how much pace he generated. It has everything to do with how long he could sustain it, which is why Ambrose bowled marathon spells routinely without tiring. judging how quick a bowler is by their action is as stupid as judging how good a batsman is by their technique. Just like there are exceptions like Sehwag, Lara, etc. ( faulty technique but ATG bats), so is true for bowlers. Not everyone has to look like they are going to die in the middle, ala Shoaib Akhtar or Brett lee to generate equal amounts of pace. Ambrose was naturally fast, with a minimalist action that ensured he bowled super duper long. Holding is incomparable. Not only was he one of the fastest men ever, he also had one of the greatest stamina. Keep in mind that Holding was on track to be an Olympic level track athlete for Jamaica in his teens before he chose cricket. For a track and field power house like Jamaica, it automatically puts Holding ( who used to run 400m and 800m) in the top levels of stamina. Oh and generating low 140s kph all day long is, by definition, high pace. To average 88-91mph all day long is definitely in the elite level of speed, given that not even Lee or Akhtar could end up sustaining 90mph near the end of the day. Only a select few, like Marshall, Holding, Thompson, Roberts, Donald, Clarke, Waqar etc. were faster than Ambrose on the duration of the whole day.

[rkt.india]

Y Oh and generating low 140s kph all day long is, by definition, high pace. To average 88-91mph all day long is definitely in the elite level of speed, given that not even Lee or Akhtar could end up sustaining 90mph near the end of the day. Only a select few, like Marshall, Holding, Thompson, Roberts, Donald, Clarke, Waqar etc. were faster than Ambrose on the duration of the whole day.

Likes of Morkel and Johnson are bowling at 89-90 mph average pace whole day. Johnson bowled 40 overs in the match with an average pace of 88 mph, same for Morkel 30 plus overs at 88 mph. I will never say one can bowl 150K whole because that is humanly impossible in a test match, possible in T20 where one needs to bowl only 4 overs. Possible in ODIs too to some extent Brett Lee did it during 2002 to 2005 when he was at his peak pace. Jeff Thomson must have done that too at his peak pace but not many bowlers can achieve such pace for a long time.

[cricraja]

Oh and generating low 140s kph all day long is' date=' by definition, high pace. To average 88-91mph all day long is definitely in the elite level of speed, given that not even Lee or Akhtar could end up sustaining 90mph near the end of the day. Only a select few, like Marshall, Holding, Thompson, Roberts, Donald, Clarke, Waqar etc. were faster than Ambrose on the duration of the whole day.[/quote']Oh boy....Waqar etc...And mind you that etc. also includes Muloghomto himself.

[vvvslaxman]

That settles it. Bowling his side to a win on a dead track for pacers. Wicket taker vs Enforcer.

[sourab10forever]

PISSANT is greater than both..:hail:

[sourab10forever]

:obeyme::obeyme:Dale stayn.....even though he is not in best of forms right now......

[Gunner]

Video of Dale Steyn's 9 wicket haul at Galle?

[Temujin Khaghan]

ambrose is not fast?

[Temujin Khaghan]

this puppy is fast enuf?

[velu]

ambrose is not fast?

:hysterical:

[express bowling]

Point to be noted .... Every cricket expert was calling Ishant's spell fast and hostile. Batsmen were intimidated, hurried and bullied into submission. Yet, Ishant's release speeds were between 130 to 140 k. If speedguns were not present .... folklore would ultimately make Ishant into a 150 k + bowler yesterday. Fact is fast bowling is not just about high release speeds but Also depends upon steep bounce, accuracy, pace off the deck, type of pitch, number of body directed bouncers bowled etc. etc. It is possible for a tall , bouncy and accurate pacer to be known as a fast bowler even if he bowls 130 to 140 k provided he is bowling hostile bouncers. Infact, effective hostile bouncers and intimidation is true fast bowling from the point of view of the batsman. They are not bothered about release speeds.

[Gunner]

Point to be noted .... Every cricket expert was calling Ishant's spell fast and hostile. Batsmen were intimidated, hurried and bullied into submission. Yet, Ishant's release speeds were between 130 to 140 k. If speedguns were not present .... folklore would ultimately make Ishant into a 150 k + bowler yesterday. Fact is fast bowling is not just about high release speeds but Also depends upon steep bounce, accuracy, pace off the deck, type of pitch, number of body directed bouncers bowled etc. etc. It is possible for a tall , bouncy and accurate pacer to be known as a fast bowler even if he bowls 130 to 140 k provided he is bowling hostile bouncers. Infact, effective hostile bouncers and intimidation is true fast bowling from the point of view of the batsman. They are not bothered about release speeds.

Good post