CG Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I don't think one in a million person actually chooses death over life imprisonment. Pretty easy to sit at home and make claims I never said that.My point was u cannot blame conviction on flimsy evidence on death penalty.
Old guy Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I never said that.My point was u cannot blame conviction on flimsy evidence on death penalty. Who said that ?every one is saying that you cannot kill people based on bad evidence
Texy Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I personally believe in moral necessity of retributive justice so yeah I wholeheartedly believe in death penalty. How many opponents of death penalty here would've wanted Kasab to live forever?
CSK Fan Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I personally believe in moral necessity of retributive justice so yeah I wholeheartedly believe in death penalty. How many opponents of death penalty here would've wanted Kasab to live forever? I was watching Mahabharata yesterday (the new version) and Krishna says Krodh mein kiya kaarya pratishodh hota hai lekin dhairya se kiya kaarya, nyaaye hota hai (A deed done(decision taken) in anger is revenge but a deed done with patience is justice) I think this is very relevant particularly for today's age and is what is keeping us from stooping to the level of the criminals themselves and keeping us civilized
randomGuy Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 All the more reason to abolish the death penalty. Why give the criminals something they'd prefer? good one:giggle:
Muloghonto Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I personally believe in moral necessity of retributive justice so yeah I wholeheartedly believe in death penalty. How many opponents of death penalty here would've wanted Kasab to live forever? me. I would rather see him spend the rest of his life in soviet-style hard labor gulag than an easy way out.
Muloghonto Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I personally believe in moral necessity of retributive justice so yeah I wholeheartedly believe in death penalty. How many opponents of death penalty here would've wanted Kasab to live forever? PS: Retributive justice is an oxymoron. Justice and retribution have little to do with each other. Ask the Pathans- the masters of retributive justice- how its working out for their society.
Detonator Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 me. I would rather see him spend the rest of his life in soviet-style hard labor gulag than an easy way out. well, wouldn't that decision have unforeseen consequences? What if they hijack a flight or a ship demanding to release him?
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 well' date=' wouldn't that decision have unforeseen consequences? What if they hijack a flight or a ship demanding to release him?[/quote'] Doesn't matter. Imprison the same highjackers (if they survive attempts to capture them alive that is) in the same gulaag. If you kill the guy, the same hijackers could be motivated by vengeance too.
Brainfade Posted September 2, 2014 Author Posted September 2, 2014 http://time.com/3259208/dna-exoneration-north-carolina-freed/
Muloghonto Posted September 2, 2014 Posted September 2, 2014 I don't think one in a million person actually chooses death over life imprisonment. Pretty easy to sit at home and make claims ++ I would chose life over death every single time too, even if its rotting in an iraqi jail getting gang raped every weekend for 30 years. Because after that, i will still have some shred of family left, life to enjoy and kill those abusive mofos. Its easy to say i've pick death behind the luxuries of western death pretending its just like going to sleep and never waking, but its not that easy and nobody deserves that over a chance of redemption. That is why I am pro-life too in the criminal code take of it.
Brainfade Posted October 11, 2014 Author Posted October 11, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/woman-exonerated-murder-case-17-years-165051153.html TORRANCE, Calif. (AP) — A woman who spent 17 years in prison for the death of a homeless man hugged her grandchild for the first time and did a dance of happiness on Friday after she was judged innocent of murder and freed. "I always knew that one day God would bring the truth to the light," Susan Marie Mellen, 59, told reporters after she was released from a Torrance courthouse shortly before 6 p.m. About eight hours earlier, a Los Angeles County judge overturned her conviction, saying that her attorney failed to properly represent her and that a woman who claimed she heard Mellen confess was a "habitual liar." "I believe she is innocent," Superior Court Judge Mark Arnold said. "For that reason I believe in this case the justice system failed." The courtroom burst into applause after his ruling. Based solely on witness testimony, Mellen was convicted of orchestrating the beating death of Richard Daly at a Lawndale home where Mellen and others lived. What if she had been dealt the death penalty and had been executed? She would've had no chance at redemption. While the root of the problem is a mistake-prone justice system, at least there is a chance of making it right at some point.
Lord Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/woman-exonerated-murder-case-17-years-165051153.html What if she had been dealt the death penalty and had been executed? She would've had no chance at redemption. While the root of the problem is a mistake-prone justice system, at least there is a chance of making it right at some point. reverse can be said about releasing a terrorist after X no. of years too.There more than one life is in danger
Brainfade Posted October 11, 2014 Author Posted October 11, 2014 reverse can be said about releasing a terrorist after X no. of years too.There more than one life is in danger But, realize that they let the woman walk only when they found new evidence that she was innocent. Why would you release a terrorist-suspect unless evidence has accumulated that they were wrongly convicted in the first place? If someone obviously committed an act of terror, and there is no evidence that may exonerate them, they will never be released.
Lord Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 But' date=' realize that they let the woman walk only when they found new evidence that she was innocent. Why would you release a terrorist-suspect unless evidence has accumulated that they were wrongly convicted in the first place? If someone obviously committed an act of terror, and there is no evidence that may exonerate them, they will never be released.[/quote'] No I am not saying that women should have been given death penalty But it is important in extreme cases when the convict is a threat to the society.Life imprisonment may not be enough
Tiger80 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/man-cleared-nyc-murder-25-years-prison-182841043.html What if the State had killed him based on the evidence available at the time of conviction? He would never have had a chance at redemption. In a civil society, it is better to err on the side of life - every time. So 1 in thousand case is benchmark for whether death penalty should be abolished or not
Tiger80 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 me. I would rather see him spend the rest of his life in soviet-style hard labor gulag than an easy way out. Hard labour gulag is also death penalty. When you know someone may not survive then how is it different from death penalty.If gulag is OK then why blinnding or making them handicap is not O.K?
Cricketics Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 you guys need to start watching forensic files and see how many such cases come out where court has taken word of little kids as "eye-witness" only to later find that the murderer wasn't the one arrested and prisoned for 10+years. I expect this dude to get a big settlement with 8 or 9 figure money his way. Though nothing can match the 25 years he losti
Crookbond Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 So 1 in thousand case is benchmark for whether death penalty should be abolished or not Life and death can't be counted with statistics.
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