Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

Nightwatchman Somerville dismissed with a bouncer first ball after lunch by Umesh.

 

The tailender was allowed to bat the whole of the first session. 

 

Yes, 3 or 4 bouncers were bowled but a bit more hostility early on could have seen him being dismissed much earlier.

[express bowling]

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Edited November 29, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Umesh is bowling with much higher intensity in the 2nd session.

 

Why was it missing in the first session with just 3 sessions to win the match ?

[Mosher]

Umesh is getting a bit of reverse. Bowling well in this spell but needs to up his pace now. 136-138 not fast enough.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mosher

[Axl100mph]

Meanwhile shaheen gets a fiver, with his fastest being 148.9. No reverse on offer, just bouncer, yorker, length ploy used.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Axl100mph

[Lone Wolf]

38 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

Meanwhile shaheen gets a fiver, with his fastest being 148.9. No reverse on offer, just bouncer, yorker, length ploy used.

Vs Bangladesh C as well..  Bangers don't play pace well at all.  Only two who do score runs..  Mushfiq & liton. 

[Axl100mph]

55 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Vs Bangladesh C as well..  Bangers don't play pace well at all.  Only two who do score runs..  Mushfiq & liton. 

Is that his fault though?

It is an absolute low bounce phatta, so getting wickets over here still counts for a lot; besides he did get Liton out with an old ball.

[Lone Wolf]

9 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

Is that his fault though?

It is an absolute low bounce phatta, so getting wickets over here still counts for a lot; besides he did get Liton out with an old ball.

I never said he didn't bowl well..  But don't take results vs Bangladesh seriously.  Worst test playing nation by some margin.  Even Zimbos with zero facility are better. 

[Axl100mph]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

I never said he didn't bowl well..  But don't take results vs Bangladesh seriously.  Worst test playing nation by some margin.  Even Zimbos with zero facility are better. 

Well, i m the first guy who says that this team's results should not be judged as of yet, because barring babar, rizwan, fawad and Hasan, the rest of the lot are either too young at test level, or are just journeymen/too old who are going to be replaced very soon.

 

Abdullah has finally been handed a debut and he has struck two 50's in both innings;not out still. He is going to make the headlines for our batting going forwards.

 

On Shaheen; he does have a great ceiling but he isnt a complete bowler yet. However, being the highest wicket taker this year shows that he is on the upward trend and getting better.

[rollingstoned]

neither umesh nor ishant were anywhere close to the required mark in this match. ishant especially struggled throught which was visible even from the way he was running in. if their performance was half as good as Southee and Jamiesons it would have been enough for us to win. after the batting they are the culprits.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Mosher said:

Umesh is getting a bit of reverse. Bowling well in this spell but needs to up his pace now. 136-138 not fast enough.

Need to look beyond Umesh now. Younger pacers need to play more. You can't be really successful in India without bowling 140+

[New guy]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Need to look beyond Umesh now. Younger pacers need to play more. You can't be really successful in India without bowling 140+

Southee and jamieson both were successful just this match without bowling 140. Bhuvi averages 26 in india 

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Need to look beyond Umesh now. Younger pacers need to play more. You can't be really successful in India without bowling 140+

 

 

True  !

 

A look.at the pacers with lowest averages who have taken 50+ test wickets in tests in Asia, tell us that most were either 140 k+ pacers or got steep bounce from a very high release point. 

 

It is basically the same story almost everywhere in tests and even ODIs.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;continent=2;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmax1=700;qualmin1=50;qualval1=wickets;spanmin1=29+Nov+1971;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Need to bring in Prasidh in place of a jaded Ishant in the 2nd test.  (   Siraj should be the automatic first choice, if fit  )

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, New guy said:

Southee and jamieson both were successful just this match without bowling 140. Bhuvi averages 26 in india 

Bhuvi has mostly played on greenish tracks in India like Eden Gardens 2016. Regarding Southee and Jamieson, our batting has been poor. We missed 3-4 of our frontline batsmen too Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Pant. Pujara and Rahane are past it. Mayank is struggling against everyone. Also those bowlers aren't like India's who are short and skiddy and depends on pace. 

 

Look at Zaheer who was good overseas but at home was below average. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by rkt.india

[Jay]

45 minutes ago, New guy said:

Southee and jamieson both were successful just this match without bowling 140. Bhuvi averages 26 in india 

They are tall and possess ability to actually swing. 

 

Prime bhuvi could swing. We don't have good swing bowlers. So pace is the best option. That's why prime shami and umesh were beasts in India. Bumrah too has a good record in ranji.

[Jay]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

True  !

 

A look.at the pacers with lowest averages who have taken 50+ test wickets in tests in Asia, tell us that most were either 140 k+ pacers or got steep bounce from a very high release point. 

 

It is basically the same story almost everywhere in tests and even ODIs.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;continent=2;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmax1=700;qualmin1=50;qualval1=wickets;spanmin1=29+Nov+1971;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

 

Not in australia. You need fast bowlers in Australia. 136-145 bowling bowlers are key in Australia and s Africa. 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Bhuvi has mostly played on greenish tracks in India like Eden Gardens 2016. Regarding Southee and Jamieson, our batting has been poor. We missed 3-4 of our frontline batsmen too Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Pant. Pujara and Rahane are past it. Mayank is struggling against everyone. Also those bowlers aren't like India's who are short and skiddy and depends on pace. 

 

Look at Zaheer who was good overseas but at home was below average. 

Umesh and Ishant have to do better than the crappy performance they put up in this test.They have to be kicked out of the team for this useless performances. No excuse for being outbowled by Southee and co by that wide margin.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Not in australia. You need fast bowlers in Australia. 136-145 bowling bowlers are key in Australia and s Africa. 

 

I said the same ... that is you need 140 k+ pacers almost everywhere which means 136 k to 145 k pacers.

 

Additionally, really tall pacers who get steep bounce ... like McGrath do well too.

[Jay]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I said the same ... that is you need 140 k+ pacers almost everywhere which means 136 k to 145 k pacers.

 

Additionally, really tall pacers who get steep bounce ... like McGrath do well too.

what happened to the unit bro. umesh the unit. he was a beast before. he dint do too well vs kiwis with his favourite SG ball. 

first time i have seen him struggle. Although he did well post lunch. 

 

is it age? he is only 33. he appears young and still looks like a tank. 

like you said, i would rather have fully fit inferior players with potential to half fit quality players. 

 

prasidh and siraj should be in next game if umesh is not fit. I believe bumrah, shami will be rested.