Vk1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 that old james bond movie villain look alike Duanne Olivier is back in the reckoning for south africa.. imagine this pace attack Nortje, Rabada, Olivier.. they lost a potential great in Kyle abott to kolpak but these three can terrorize modern day batsman on sportive pitches.. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) On 11/29/2021 at 8:25 PM, Jay said: what happened to the unit bro. umesh the unit. he was a beast before. he dint do too well vs kiwis with his favourite SG ball. first time i have seen him struggle. Although he did well post lunch. is it age? he is only 33. he appears young and still looks like a tank. like you said, i would rather have fully fit inferior players with potential to half fit quality players. prasidh and siraj should be in next game if umesh is not fit. I believe bumrah, shami will be rested. Umesh has completed 34 a month back. And completed 10 years in international cricket this year. He may look fit but the joints and connective tissues are not the same. It won't be easy for him to bowl at full tilt from now on. I expect him to be just Fast-medium from now on, with that odd quick spell like last session of Oval 2021. I think we should look beyond Ishant, Bhuvi, Umesh and even Shami now. Edited November 30, 2021 by express bowling Mosher, Vk1 and rollingstoned 1 2 Link to comment
Jay Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, express bowling said: Umesh has completed 34 a month back. And completed 10 years in international cricket this year. He may look fit but the joints and connective tissues are not the same. It won't be easy for him to bowl at full tilt from now on. I expect him to be just Fast-medium from now on, with that odd quick spell lime Oval 2021 last session. I think we should look beyond Ishant, Bhuvi, Umesh and even Shami now. Sad times. Umesh and Aaron revolutionised Indian pace attack. Pioneers. They started our pace culture. Mosher, express bowling and Vk1 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Umran Malik has been dropped in the 2nd Unofficial Test match and Porel comes in. So, we have chosen 2 trundlers and an out of form Fast bowler pushing 30. The A-team tours are for preparing the next gen Fast bowlers for Team India ... and if the BCCI think that these 3 are those than bye bye test bowling. I am seeing major lack of vision regarding fast bowlers in the last 12 months. What has gone wrong suddenly ?? Edited November 30, 2021 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, express bowling said: Umran Malik has been dropped in the 2nd Unofficial Test match and Porel comes in. So, we have chosen 2 trundlers and an out of form Fast bowler pushing 30. The A-team tours are for preparing the next gen Fast bowlers for Team India ... and if the BCCI think that these 3 are those than bye bye test bowling. I am seeing major lack of vision regarding fast bowlers in the last 12 months. What has gone wrong suddenly ?? Saini should be in his absolute prime now. 27-33 is the peak for bowlers. 33-36 is about maintaining and selecting particular games to participate in. Post 36 really just depends on your fitness and bowling action. Link to comment
nsareen Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, express bowling said: Umran Malik has been dropped in the 2nd Unofficial Test match and Porel comes in. So, we have chosen 2 trundlers and an out of form Fast bowler pushing 30. The A-team tours are for preparing the next gen Fast bowlers for Team India ... and if the BCCI think that these 3 are those than bye bye test bowling. I am seeing major lack of vision regarding fast bowlers in the last 12 months. What has gone wrong suddenly ?? Porel brings in the most respected " line & length " :) which is required by the selectors, administrators, commentators ( specially indians :) ) express bowling and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Remember the name Chetan Sharma means business here Mosher, express bowling and raki05 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: Saini should be in his absolute prime now. 27-33 is the peak for bowlers. 33-36 is about maintaining and selecting particular games to participate in. Post 36 really just depends on your fitness and bowling action. For Fast bowlers, the absolute peak is 25 to 31. Most pacers start losing pace and energy from 32 onwards. Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Porel as an FC bowler is good. Just needs to bowl like Jamison in overseas conditions like NZ, England. Link to comment
hhhhdmt Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Why didn't Bumrah play this test? Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Mavi can be the next shami in Asia Nagarkoti can be what pandya was supposed to be Porel is good tbf. He was never fast. Never. He was the slowest out of the aforementioned 3 in under 19 and in ranji. He does have steepling bounce. He should be useful. @express bowling you are underestimating porel mate. Edited November 30, 2021 by Jay Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I like variety tbh. I like 2 fast bowler bowling 138-145. One with steep bounce One with swing ability and batting. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Mesky99 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Porel as an FC bowler is good. Just needs to bowl like Jamison in overseas conditions like NZ, England. Not as tall, needs to add some pace, can't be one dimensional, thou he has had a great start to his career express bowling 1 Link to comment
Mesky99 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Mavi can be the next shami in Asia Nagarkoti can be what pandya was supposed to be Porel is good tbf. He was never fast. Never. He was the slowest out of the aforementioned 3 in under 19 and in ranji. He does have steepling bounce. He should be useful. @express bowling you are underestimating porel mate. Who do you rate higher prasidh or saini? Reckon shardul will have a role to play in the upcoming sa series. Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mesky99 said: Who do you rate higher prasidh or saini? Reckon shardul will have a role to play in the upcoming sa series. Prasidh. Although I am not going to write of saini though. He can come back. Only 29. Still got a good 3 - 4 years in him if he is focused and trains hard. Shardul certainly would. As long as shardul is fit, he can be a game changer. Underrate shardul at your own peril. Dude is clutch as phuck too. I miss sundar out of all though. That's a diamond in the rough what a talent he is. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: Porel is good tbf. He was never fast. Never. He was the slowest out of the aforementioned 3 in under 19 and in ranji. He does have steepling bounce. He should be useful. @express bowling you are underestimating porel mate. I love steepling bounce. But for that we need a pacer who is 6'5"+ with a high arm action who hits the deck hard and has a good seam position. Porel is around 6'2" I think. He is bouncy compared to most Indian pacers but standard bounce compared to West Indian. Australian, English, SAF and NZ pacers. Since he will be bowling to batsmen who are used to playing 6'2" pacers with such bounce a lot, that factor alone won't be good enough once the novelty factor wears off. Prasidh is of a similar height and bounce but 10 kph faster. Which is why I would prefer Prasidh as the tall bouncy pacer till the time we find someone with more height and bounce. Mosher and Suhaan 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: I like variety tbh. I like 2 fast bowler bowling 138-145. One with steep bounce One with swing ability and batting. That a good combo which I like too. But would like one of the fast bowlers to be 142 k to 152 k. And the bouncy bowler should preferably be 132 k to 142 k atleast. It would be nice if the swing bowler is of Anderson or Boult's height and pace. Jay, Suhaan and Mosher 3 Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, express bowling said: I love steepling bounce. But for that we need a pacer who is 6'5"+ with a high arm action who hits the deck hard and has a good seam position. Porel is around 6'2" I think. He is bouncy compared to most Indian pacers but standard bounce compared to West Indian. Australian, English, SAF and NZ pacers. Since he will be bowling to batsmen who are used to playing 6'2" pacers with such bounce a lot, that factor alone won't be good enough once the novelty factor wears off. Prasidh is of a similar height and bounce but 10 kph faster. Which is why I would prefer Prasidh as the tall bouncy pacer till the time we find someone with more height and bounce. i am really worried about facing nortje, rabada and olivier now in s.africa. its actually a tough series for us. sure we do play better on bouncy wickets but olivier is capable of replicating kyle with his inswinging deliveries that we struggle with. We need a player like him in our side. 6'5 with good bounce and ability to move the ball. ishant never really used his height well. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Jay said: i am really worried about facing nortje, rabada and olivier now in s.africa. its actually a tough series for us. sure we do play better on bouncy wickets but olivier is capable of replicating kyle with his inswinging deliveries that we struggle with. We need a player like him in our side. 6'5 with good bounce and ability to move the ball. ishant never really used his height well. Do we have the firepower to match Rabada, Nortje and Olivier ? I would say no. What would be our pace attack in South Africa ? Probably .... Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Shardul Bumrah would be the only fast bowler ... Shami has lost pace in 2021 ... Siraj bowls Fast-medium in tests in SENA Which is why I want to create a pool of quick bowlers with skills. ( Pacers who are quick this year and not in the past ) Edited November 30, 2021 by express bowling Mosher and Suhaan 2 Link to comment
Jay Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Do we have the firepower to match Rabada, Nortje and Olivier ? I would say no. What would be our pace attack in South Africa ? Probably .... Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Shardul Bumrah would be the only fast bowler ... Shami has lost pace in 2021 ... Siraj bowls Fast-medium in tests in SENA Which is why I want to create a pool of quick bowlers with skills. ( Pacers who are quick this year and not in the past ) Bunrah Prasidh Siraj Looks good to me Add thakur. It's complete. But yes we just need one out and out pacer. I consider bumrsh more of a fast bowler who can crank it up when he wants. Same as rabada. He is above fast medium but lesser than fast if you know what I mean. I mean on paper we do have the better attack but as you rightly said, game isn't won on paper. We have to talk about present and the speeds our pacers currently operate at. Olivier is 133-140 Rabada - 137-145 Nortje is 140-150 Bumrah is 137-145 Siraj 134-145 for sena Prasidh - 135-142 Nortje is the one with extra pace. Can you believe umrsn got dropped for test 2 now? This management is hopeless. Suhaan 1 Link to comment
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