Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Adamant]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

So, for T20Is, we are preparing only death over bowlers and middle over bowlers.

 

Bhuvi

Harshal

Arshdeep

Bumrah ( when he comes back )

 

All 4 are good at stopping runs at the death and hardly pick wickets with the new ball.

 

Chahal, Kuldeep, Umran, Bishnoi good in the middle overs.

 

Who will pick wickets with the new ball  ?  This is the biggest way to win big T20Is.

Easy. 

We don't have a good new ball t20i bowler in the whole country. 

 

So we have to go with whatever we have. 

[Adamant]

What's the best speed for a batsman to face? 

140 k with no direction. 

 

If we are picking bowlers on basis of pace only, then they should have an average speed above 142 and not just bowl 5 6 balls at 145.

[Adamant]

Khaleel is not an upgrade over Bhuvi, believe me. 

 

[Adamant]

This should be our pace bowling lineup in Aus

 

Bumrah (lol at low iq posters excluding him) 

Harshal 

Umran

Pandya

 

Two spinners in

Kuldeep/Chahal

Axar/Ashwin

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I know a great bowler when I see one. 

Prasidh ain't no great, he is good but way overhyped. 

You don't know that. You haven't played cricket at a high level. 

 

Prasidh will be a great test bowler. 

Who gives a **** about shitty t20. 

Even in odi prasish will be a very good bowler. 

T20 is his worst format lol and he is still useful there too. 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

This should be our pace bowling lineup in Aus

 

Bumrah (lol at low iq posters excluding him) 

Harshal 

Umran

Pandya

 

Two spinners in

Kuldeep/Chahal

Axar/Ashwin

Harshal will be number 7 or 8. 

 

Bumrah

Umran

Prasidh

Harshal 

Paandu

Ashwin

 

Only one spinner. This is australia. Not india. 

[express bowling]

11 hours ago, Adamant said:

What's the best speed for a batsman to face? 

140 k with no direction. 

 

If we are picking bowlers on basis of pace only, then they should have an average speed above 142 and not just bowl 5 6 balls at 145.

 

 

Pacers who combine pace, bounce, accuracy and some movement leading to high wicket taking ability in all-conditions ... should be picked.

 

And we see that such pacers are usually found in the 135 k to 145 k/147 k range. Average Speed of 137 k to 139 k in tests in the long run and Fastest in the range of 144 k to 147 k.

 

Medium pace of under 136 k average speed or Super high average speeds of 142 k+ in tests   or 145 k+ in LOIs rarely produce all-condition wicket takers  ( Exceptions being really tall hit-the-deck BOUNCE bowlers who can succeed at 130 k to 142 k if super accurate )

Edited May 25, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

Easy. 

We don't have a good new ball t20i bowler in the whole country. 

 

So we have to go with whatever we have. 

 

That's because we want to pick all the pacers based on their death bowling skills.

 

Bumrah and Harshal /Bhuvi will take care of death bowling.

 

We should pick the 3rd pacer based on his PP bowling only ... and bowl him 3 overs at the beginning and 1 more in the middle. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

I know a great bowler when I see one. 

Prasidh ain't no great, he is good but way overhyped. 

He's not a death bowling specialist yet

Even Shami struggles with it,but with time there is slight improvement still he's not end overs bowler by nature

You will always find difficulty in finding  all phase bowlers for strike bowlers bowl at different lengths to extract wickets

You need Bumrah type bowlers, for last overs

By death bowling it doesn't mean you have to nail yorkers always,hard lengths miced with yorkers but no slower ones(or very limited use)

Prasidh is good if you finish his quota by 17 overs in t20s

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Asitha Fernando and kasun rajitha performing really well in ban,both combined to take 17 wickets in this test and 7 in the only inning of the last test.

Loved the grass on Mirpur track...  Bangers thought to take out SL spinners but both Lankan pacers outbowled theirs. Impressed with Rajitha.  He could be vital in their coming tests vs Aus & Pak at home. 

I am inclined towards giving Umran a debut test cap in BD test.  Their players are horrible against short pitch bowling.  Most of the top order is smaller in stature & can't play rising balls at all. 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Loved the grass on Mirpur track...  Bangers thought to take out SL spinners but both Lankan pacers outbowled theirs. Impressed with Rajitha.  He could be vital in their coming tests vs Aus & Pak at home. 

I am inclined towards giving Umran a debut test cap in BD test.  Their players are horrible against short pitch bowling.  Most of the top order is smaller in stature & can't play rising balls at all. 

Umran malik is not a test bowler. He can be a decent option if groomed well but I'd rather restrict his workload and have him bowl at full tilt in LOIs. 

 

If the coaching staff, NCA staff etc. can get him to bowl a consistent line outside off at his speed, he can do the Archer/Wood role in the next World Cup. 

 

We have never had a bowler who can do that. 

[Mesky99]

Lanka have a quality test attack, rajitha gets movement, tall and decent pace, add Kumara, chameera, Fernando and their spin attack with embaldeniya, mendis and jayavickrama is top notch for home conditions, this is without hasaranga and theekshana, all they need is three batsmen aversging over 40 in test cricket with a all-rounder. Soon will be a top 4 team in test cricket.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Umran malik is not a test bowler. He can be a decent option if groomed well but I'd rather restrict his workload and have him bowl at full tilt in LOIs. 

 

If the coaching staff, NCA staff etc. can get him to bowl a consistent line outside off at his speed, he can do the Archer/Wood role in the next World Cup. 

 

We have never had a bowler who can do that. 

I am not advocating in terms of having him overloading him.  His pace means he needs be used wisely.  His workload especially.  I think Vettori said this about him & Akhtar as well. 

Play him in selective test matches.  We don't have bigger issues with ourvtest attack like England so don't need to overbowl him like Wood & Archer. 

I am thinking giving him a Test debut vs BD..  Not needlessly letting him rot at domestic level.  A impactful 15-20 tests should be enough for him conditions wise. 

I agreed his express pave would be more useful in LOIs especially ODIs. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Mesky99 said:

Lanka have a quality test attack, rajitha gets movement, tall and decent pace, add Kumara, chameera, Fernando and their spin attack with embaldeniya, mendis and jayavickrama is top notch for home conditions, this is without hasaranga and theekshana, all they need is three batsmen aversging over 40 in test cricket with a all-rounder. Soon will be a top 4 team in test cricket.

Chameera won't play Test cricket I think.  It was made clear on India tour.  Their board has asked him to be LOI specialist.  Managing his workload. 

Asitha Fernando is a nice find for them at test level especially with Kumara's injury history. 

Batting wise I always liked Oshada Fernando..  His partnership with Kusal Mendis brought them home easily in a Tense chase vs Saffers at Port Elizabeth test vs SA in 2018.  Hopefully they don't chop & change much from now on.  Prepare turners vs Australia at home & look to win a test match somewhere. 

[express bowling]

Prasidh

 

147.5 kph and 146.5 kph

[express bowling]

Prasidh dismisses Kohli with a quick channel ball that bounces extra.

 

Great ball !

[express bowling]

Prasidh 1st over

 

140

141

147

144  ?

142

148

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Prasidh 148.2 kph jaffa

 

Cuts Patidar into half as the ball seams in sharply with bounce.

[express bowling]

Prasidh 150.3 kph

[Forward Defence]

Just now, express bowling said:

Prasidh 150.3 kph

Ive been posting on the IPL thread