Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Mesky99]

32 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Shardul started as a batsman. He has a proper batting technique. Mohsin and Hangargekar are sloggers. 

Shardul was never a batsman at the domestic level, his averages prove it, what he did at school level means nothing tbh, prithvi Shaw picked up tons of wickets at school cricket but has never bowled for Mumbai, shardul plays on the up hence looks good but he is a walking wicket most times, incredible how none of our pacers can bat, someone like agarkar would be perfect for this team.

[singhvivek141]

No 8 in my eyes should be someone who can contribute 17-25 runs with the bat, avg of 21
No 9 should be able to score betwwen 10-18, averaging somewhere around 14
No 10/11 runs are bonus but I think they should be capable to score 6-12 runs.
 

 

[Suhaan]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

We are missing a couple of pacers with genuine pace and bounce In 2022 in tests and T20Is. We have them in ODIs. 

 

We need a couple of pacers who can bowl 90 mph+, with bounce, if batting conditions become easy. Our pacers in this test are basically Fast-medium and can't force out batters if the ball is not moving. 

 

Bumrah was doing this from 2018 onwards. He used to crank it up whenever needed and act as the enforcer pacer. Even Shami could do it from 2016 to 2020.

 

But Bumrah is injured and Shami has lost the extra fire from mid 2021.

 

We saw what Kuldeep Sen did in Irani Trophy when the pitch flattened out. He bowled bouncing snorters and stump directed quick balls to get wickets. 

 

Umran can be developed for this purpose and Prasidh has the extra bounce.

 

We need these 3 pacers in our test match pool.

 

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

We need a someone to take the role of Norte or Wood in the test side. That someone needs to be quick to make things happen when the pitch has settled down. 

I’m actually looking forward to the next ODI series. And from now on Bumrah and Umran should be the first two picks for it. The third one needs to be quick and good at the death. no need to compromise. But the way our think tank works, they will 100 percent go for some ‘swing’ n ‘accurate’ bowler for the third slot or even replace Umran once Bumrah is back. They might probably go with Bumrah Siraj and some ‘swing’ bowler. 

We need Sakariya
 

 

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

No 8 in my eyes should be someone who can contribute 17-25 runs with the bat, avg of 21
No 9 should be able to score betwwen 10-18, averaging somewhere around 14
No 10/11 runs are bonus but I think they should be capable to score 6-12 runs.
 

 

 

 

I think our approach for No.9, 10 and 11 should be to pick the best bowlers available.

 

And then improve their batting.

 

Even for No.8, the priority should be to pick the best bowlers with batting ability, rather than the other way round. Like a Mohsin.

[singhvivek141]

28 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I think our approach for No.9, 10 and 11 should be to pick the best bowlers available.

 

And then improve their batting.

 

Even for No.8, the priority should be to pick the best bowlers with batting ability, rather than the other way round. Like a Mohsin.

Mohsin is a better bet for 9, I don't think he is a no 8 material.
You can say Arjun, Hangargekar are no 8 materials, Hangargekar hasn't put a foot wrong till now and Arjun also did good job so far this year. 

Both are primarily bowlers, with a bit of batting ability. 
9-11 is where we have to make a call if we're going with 1 spinner + 2 pacers or all 3 pacers.

Edited December 17, 2022 by singhvivek141

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mohsin is a better bet for 9, I don't think he is a no 8 material.

 

He should be ok in LOIs.

 

At 8 in LOIs, we need players who can tonk a few.

 

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

You can say Arjun, Hangargekar are no 8 materials, Hangargekar hasn't put a foot wrong till now and Arjun also did good job so far this year. 

 

Definitely.

 

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Both are primarily bowlers, with a bit of batting ability. 

 

A century on Ranji debut could mean that Arjun has decent batting ability. 

 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

 

We need Sakariya
 

 

also chintan gaja, nagwaswalla, and unacutter. all gujju "pace" attack

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

also chintan gaja, nagwaswalla, and unacutter. all gujju "pace" attack

Sakaria and unadkat are from saurashtra, not Gujarat.

[Vijy]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Sakaria and unadkat are from saurashtra, not Gujarat.

in the geographical sense, baroda, saurashtra, and gujarat ranji teams are all from the State of Gujarat. and people from gujarat can be termed gujjus, although admittedly this word can be pejorative at times. hence my post "all gujju "pace" attack "

Edited December 17, 2022 by Vijy

[Mesky99]

19 minutes ago, Vijy said:

also chintan gaja, nagwaswalla, and unacutter. all gujju "pace" attack

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Edited December 17, 2022 by rkt.india

[Mesky99]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Yhh kushang looks decently quick, broad shouldered guy, Baba shafi Pathan looked quite impressive few years back for Baroda, Gujarat infact is a very talented cricketing state, Amar Singh was Gujarati, amarsinh nakum was his team name

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

munaf, irfan are much better than current bunch of "pacers" from Gujarat. Nowhere did I claim that Gujarat is producing the worst pacers in the country.  it is true that most S. Indian teams rely heavily on spinners, with TN being the most evident example. There was a time, however, when both Andhra and Hyd had decent pacers - not int'l level, but domestic stalwarts (e.g., vijaykumar). likewise, Karnataka had a decent pace attack even up to a few years ago, although Prasidh was the only "quick" bowler.

 

Unadcutter is not "a lot faster" than his fellow leftie Natarajan from TN, to pick just one example. Nattu did better in Aus tests despite being a T20 specialist than Unadcutter.

 

 

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mohsin is a better bet for 9, I don't think he is a no 8 material.
You can say Arjun, Hangargekar are no 8 materials, Hangargekar hasn't put a foot wrong till now and Arjun also did good job so far this year. 

Both are primarily bowlers, with a bit of batting ability. 
9-11 is where we have to make a call if we're going with 1 spinner + 2 pacers or all 3 pacers.

yeah, I don't think he is no. 8 as well, even for LOIs. probably no. 9 or no. 10 material since he is less than likes of cummins, starc who bat at 8 or 9

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

munaf, irfan are much better than current bunch of "pacers" from Gujarat. Nowhere did I claim that Gujarat is producing the worst pacers in the country.  it is true that most S. Indian teams rely heavily on spinners, with TN being the most evident example. There was a time, however, when both Andhra and Hyd had decent pacers - not int'l level, but domestic stalwarts (e.g., vijaykumar). likewise, Karnataka had a decent pace attack even up to a few years ago, although Prasidh was the only "quick" bowler.

 

Unadcutter is not "a lot faster" than his fellow leftie Natarajan from TN, to pick just one example. Nattu did better in Aus tests despite being a T20 specialist than Unadcutter.

 

 

Nattu at his best a few years ago was touching 140 quite often. 135-142 ish. Then he got called for chucking. Had to remodel his action. Now he is around 132-138 ish. 

 

Tn have this guy in t20 lokesh raj who is rapid. Undacutter plain sucks. Quota pick fraud.

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Kaverappa is as quick as Kushang.

 

[rkt.india]

36 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kaverappa is as quick as Kushang.

 

Nah. Kaverappa is 128-130 ish bowler. Saw him bowl live under speed gun. Kushang Patel i have seen hitting high 130s.

Edited December 18, 2022 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

Very very impressive approach ,but it is expected someone from Aus,SA

They rate pace bowling and have right kind of mentality towards it to harness maximum from pace

Unlike our setup which endorses safe meek cricket and fear of failure is deep instilled into a pace bowler even the wrist spinners

[rollingstoned]

15 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

Both their 2 fast bowlers were bowling high 130s early 140s even late in the day in their 2nd or 3rd spell. Good to see. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

 

Have we ever heard Mhambrey discussing these aspects !!