Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

then cant call them quick anymore ,need fresh faces ,havent seen a 100mph bowler in a long time.

Hitting 90-95 mph is gold standard in cricket. More than that is extremely rare.

[Vk1]

53 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

This data is for entire careers 

 

Cummins has been really accurate from 2020 or late 2019.

he was very much accurate when he came to our shores in 2017

[Jay]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

True. I think 8 catches were dropped off Bumrah in 3 test matches. Even if 4 catches were taken, he would have averaged 23 for the series.

 

 

Yes absolutely. Pathetic fielding. 

 

Sometimes average doesn't tell the whole story. Bumrah was the reason we won mcg and Rahane. Even first game. Bumrah was brutal. So Unlucky with easy dropped dollies. 

 

God I remember vihari dropping labu at 38. Then he ended up scoring 90 odd. Vihari helped us draw though so good on him. 

 

That's why arm chair quarter backs who don't even watch full game shouldn't comment.

 

Bumrah is truly special. Class is permanent. Form is temporary. 

 

 

[Jay]

Also Cummins played alongside full strength Aussie attack.

 

India dint have Shami or Ishant for bouncy Condtions. Those 2 are essential for Aussie conditions. 

 

Although Siraj is no less than say ishu but he was still raw. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Jay

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, Jay said:

Also Cummins played alongside full strength Aussie attack.

 

India dint have Shami or Ishant for bouncy Condtions. Those 2 are essential for Aussie conditions. 

 

 

 

This made a big difference to the hostility we could display. The Indian fast bowlers were very hostile in the first test and the practice matches.

 

But losing senior pacers in succession meant that Bumrah had to be more cautious about bowling flat out.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

best pacers are even slower than that

 

Top pacers of the last 10 years ... Cummins, Bumrah, Steyn, Rabada, Shami etc.are / were all that pace range of 133 k to 148 k.

 

Only English and NZ pacers can be slower as they play more than 50% of their matches in swing friendly conditions. But most of them do poorly in Asia.

 

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in india might as well go for spinners

 

In India and in Asia, as the tracks are slow and low, it is the skiddy quick pacers like Shami, Umesh, Steyn etc. who have done well.

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

so you need pace only if bowling in aus /sa .

 

 

You need pace when bowling in India, Australia, South Africa, West Indies and the rest of Asia.

 

Moreover, hostile pacers will put batsmen under psychological pressure anywhere in the World.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

This made a big difference to the hostility we could display. The Indian fast bowlers were very hostile in the first test and the practice matches.

 

But losing senior pacers in succession meant that Bumrah had to be more cautious about bowling flat out.

But to phattus here, they will say 'arey, boomrah only bowling below 140 only. He is not the same anymore. He can't bowl with intensity. He lost his zip. He lost his cojones'. 

 

Form is temporary. Class is permanent. Bumrah is just that. Top class. Repsect a generational player when you see one.

 

You may never see one like him again. 

[Jay]

You absolutely need pace if you want to utilze reverse swing in India. When I say pace. I don't been express pgassst type. 

 

138-145 perfect range. In the zone, you can hit wonderful reverse swing. 

 

Just piss bumrah off and he will show how fast he can crank it up. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

pacers are generally ineffective in asia .

 

 

Check out the number of wickets taken by Indian pacers in tests in India in the last 4 years.

 

134 wickets by pacers

186 wickets by spinners

 

So,  42% wickets taken are by pacers. 

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=10+Mar+2017;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

pacers are generally ineffective in asia .in wi pitches and duke ball are very helpful ,so again you dont need much pace ,likes of roach ,holder  are not quick even alzarri rarely clocks over 145.

Pacers have been handy in India from 2016 specially Indian,this series was of course dominated by spinners

WI wrecked havoc thanks to Gabriel in recent times that too in WI

Pace is always helpful if you have little bit of discipline

Holder is tall and bowls those in immaculate lines ,Roach,Alzarri all of them have bowled in right areas and with aggressive field settings they got rewarded ,one can't blame bowlers if their fielders don't support them by dropping 6-8 catches off them

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

He was brilliant in Australia. Chewts from our team dropped dollies off him.

dropped catches have always been going on. srinath had many dropped off him too. bowlers from SC need to remove close-in fielders as much from the equation as possible since they are pathetic

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Top pacers of the last 10 years ... Cummins, Bumrah, Steyn, Rabada, Shami etc.are / were all that pace range of 133 k to 148 k.

 

Only English and NZ pacers can be slower as they play more than 50% of their matches in swing friendly conditions. But most of them do poorly in Asia.

 

 

In India and in Asia, as the tracks are slow and low, it is the skiddy quick pacers like Shami, Umesh, Steyn etc. who have done well.

 

 

 

one thing that struck me about anderson was that some of his wkt-taking balls that I saw in this series were around 136-138 although of course his avg speed is high 120s-low 130s. remarkable for a nearly 39 yr old bowler.

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

one thing that struck me about anderson was that some of his wkt-taking balls that I saw in this series were around 136-138 although of course his avg speed is high 120s-low 130s. remarkable for a nearly 39 yr old bowler.

In India you have to up your pace to extract reverse swing(and to maximize its impact)

SA,Eng are the only place where ball does seam around for long time compared to Aus ,India(prior 2020)

NZ is a place where it seams prodigiously for a brief period in the beginning

Edited March 10, 2021 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

Good bouncer by Mavi ... top edged but falls in no man's land.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Good opening spell by Prasidh while bowling to an inform Shaw.

 

1 wicket for 20 runs from 5 overs.

 

Got the wicket of Jaiswal.

[express bowling]

Mavi bowling some sizzling bouncers with the ball not moving that much.

 

Good to see.

[Mosher]

Sharp bouncer by Mavi.

[express bowling]

Cracking yorker by Mavi

 

Batsman sustains ankle injury.

 

Really quick looking yorker.  (  Commentators surprised how a 129 kph ball can injure a batsman ... still not understanding that the speed guns are majorly flawed  )

Edited March 11, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

40 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Sharp bouncer by Mavi.

 

 

Mavi bowled in good areas and bowled with a lot of pace and bounce.

 

Induced a couple of edges. 

 

Good to see.

 

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by express bowling